RE: The Double Standard rears it's head

RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid

Message

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:15:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Why you chose the name of "SANITY" probably goes right to the heart of the problem ... ... Then the links you use to back any opinion you hold are all "Far Right Wing" sites...Everyone should simply dismiss your posts from this point forward. Why you chose the name of "SANITY" probably goes right to the heart of the problem ... That's mighty close to a personal attack, domiguy. Then the links you use to back any opinion you hold are all "Far Right Wing" sites...Everyone should simply dismiss your posts from this point forward. Dismissing everything because you don't like the politics of the source isn't always a good thing. Although any partisan agenda should be taken into account in understanding how an issue is framed and discussed, it should primarily give you reason to dig, and see if the full truth was given. However, telling everyone to simply dismiss everything Sanity says only based on your preceived view about the "politics" of a site or person totally sidesteps the issue of whether or not the facts he presents - from where ever - are accurate. In other words, you aren't attacking his ideas, you are attacking him as a person. FirmKY

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:18:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them. Who said Coulter was mirroring Franken? Nobody that I know of... What I said was that it looked to me like juliaoceania was mirroring Coulter.

DomKen -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:20:40 AM)
I seem to recall the republicans demanding that Democratic candidates condemn Kerry last summer for his supposed insult of US troops. Yep here is a story: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/10/31/kerry/index.html Sure don't look like a double standard to me. Looks more like more conservatives whining and tryiong to get away with the big lie yet again

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:26:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I seem to recall the republicans demanding that Democratic candidates condemn Kerry last summer for his supposed insult of US troops. Yep here is a story: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/10/31/kerry/index.html Sure don't look like a double standard to me. Looks more like more conservatives whining and tryiong to get away with the big lie yet again Close, but not the same. From your source: Snow said that Democratic candidates like Jim Webb and Tammy Duckworth should be asked whether they're in accord with Kerry's "absolute insult." Perhaps you don't see the difference in asking someone to apologize for another person's remarks rather than asking them if they agree with those remarks, but I do. FirmKY

DomKen -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:32:46 AM)
So I can ask every republican candidate, anywhere ever, if they agree with David Duke or Tan Nguyen? How is that not an attempt to make someone else apologize for or condemn the actions of another?

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:42:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So I can ask every republican candidate, anywhere ever, if they agree with David Duke or Tan Nguyen? How is that not an attempt to make someone else apologize for or condemn the actions of another? If they had given any indications that they were sympathetic with Duke or Nguyen, or if Duke or Nguyen were senior, leading figures in the Republican party ... yes. The issue of the war in Iraq and the state of our military services was a campaign issue in the last election. FirmKY

Zensee -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:46:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them. Who said Coulter was mirroring Franken? Nobody that I know of... What I said was that it looked to me like juliaoceania was mirroring Coulter. It was mentioned some time ago in this thread but I guess people who just jump in to the middle of a discussion without regard for what has already been said might have missed that. You'll have to do better than comparing juliaO to Coulter. Coulter advocated the use of terror and mayhem to silence her political rivals. juliaO disagreed with you. You must have run that through a remarkable ego filter to arrive at your conclusion. Kinky folks may be long on imagination but some credibility gaps are just too vast to be bridged by labeling and name calling. Z.

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:56:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them. Who said Coulter was mirroring Franken? Nobody that I know of... What I said was that it looked to me like juliaoceania was mirroring Coulter. It was mentioned some time ago in this thread but I guess people who just jump in to the middle of a discussion without regard for what has already been said might have missed that. It wasn't. Please refer to my post 60, quoted below, with a link to the post he was talking about, I believe. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them. I'd guess you'd be talking about me. But, that's not what I said. Go back and read my words again, more closely this time, please. FirmKY edited to add link to the post in question: Post 36

DomKen -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:56:22 AM)
Duke and Nguyen were both GOP nominees for federal elected offices, Duke has been a member of the GOP caucus in the La. stae house. Looks like they're both pretty senior leading figures in the party.

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:58:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Duke and Nguyen were both GOP nominees for federal elected offices, Duke has been a member of the GOP caucus in the La. stae house. Looks like they're both pretty senior leading figures in the party. I guess what you are saying then, is that they are of equal stature as JF Kerry? [:D] FirmKY

DomKen -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 12:00:31 PM)
No. I'm just stating that IMO they both meet the criteria you gave. Now if you're done trying to put words in my mouth you might want to admit that what Snow and the White House dirty tricks crew were up to last summer is precisely the same thing being decried in this thread.

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 12:06:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen How is that not an attempt to make someone else apologize for or condemn the actions of another? To me, the issue is that an apology assumes guilt. In other words, when you ask for someone to apologize for someone else's actions or remarks, then you are assuming that not only do they agree, but that they actually said those things themselves. That's collective guilt ... collectivism ... which is the basis of a lot of the worst in politics and human affairs. Asking someone if they agree with a different individual's comments or actions at least gives them the benefit of the doubt, and gives them the opportunity to either take on, or deny those words, or actions. A small point, perhaps, but I think it goes to the crux of the differences between the two major philosophies of the "left" and the "right". FirmKY

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 12:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No. I'm just stating that IMO they both meet the criteria you gave. Now if you're done trying to put words in my mouth you might want to admit that what Snow and the White House dirty tricks crew were up to last summer is precisely the same thing being decried in this thread. No need to get snippy, DomKen. I've got respect for you, and your position. I think I've been pretty straight forward and friendly about it. As far as "putting words in your mouth", please notice the "I guess what you are saying", with a question mark ... as well as the little smile. Asking you what you meant is far from "putting words in your mouth". It's an attempt to understand your point of view. FirmKY

luckydog1 -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 5:18:30 PM)
Dom Ken, you think a guy who ran as a Democrat in 04 then tried to run as a rep in 06 and lost is a senior leading member of the party? That a guy who was a minor state rep caucusing with the republicans, untill he was kicked out of the party, is a senior leading member of the party? Are you kidding us? You can not actually believe that can you? Even more funny is that both of the guys you mentioned were former Democrats. By the way according to wikipedia he only ran for federal office as a Democrat. He attempted to as a rep, but never was able to win a primary. Senior leading members of the Party my ass crack....

Arpig -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 5:58:18 PM)
Probably because the right pretends to hold the moral high ground....when you play holier-than-thou and turn out to be human, one should expect to be held to one's own professed ideals

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 6:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee It was mentioned some time ago in this thread but I guess people who just jump in to the middle of a discussion without regard for what has already been said might have missed that. That's why I asked the question, Zensee. I have a life, and I don't have time to read every single message in every thread I chime in on, and as a matter of fact there are even certain posters who I skip reading altogether for various reasons. I hope you don't mind. quote: You'll have to do better than comparing juliaO to Coulter. Coulter advocated the use of terror and mayhem to silence her political rivals. juliaO disagreed with you. You must have run that through a remarkable ego filter to arrive at your conclusion. Read my post more carefully, and you'll learn that that wasn't the basis for my comparison. What I was getting at was the fact that they both have very bitter tongues for the other end of the political spectrum from which they themselves stand, and so your complaint is without foundation. quote: Kinky folks may be long on imagination but some credibility gaps are just too vast to be bridged by labeling and name calling. Z. How's that saying go, pot/kettle/black...?

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 6:07:53 PM)
Are you trying to suggest that no one should ever stand up for what's right because we're all human, and prone to making mistakes? What kind of argument is that? quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Probably because the right pretends to hold the moral high ground....when you play holier-than-thou and turn out to be human, one should expect to be held to one's own professed ideals

DomKen -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 7:24:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY To me, the issue is that an apology assumes guilt. In other words, when you ask for someone to apologize for someone else's actions or remarks, then you are assuming that not only do they agree, but that they actually said those things themselves. That's collective guilt ... collectivism ... which is the basis of a lot of the worst in politics and human affairs. Asking someone if they agree with a different individual's comments or actions at least gives them the benefit of the doubt, and gives them the opportunity to either take on, or deny those words, or actions. A small point, perhaps, but I think it goes to the crux of the differences between the two major philosophies of the "left" and the "right". FirmKY Collectivism is a leftist only fault? What about when GWB said on 9/20/01 "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." What about George H.W. Bush said "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." What about all the times a republican questioned the patriotism of a liberal based solely on his political affiliation?

WyrdRich -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 7:27:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Probably because the right pretends to hold the moral high ground....when you play holier-than-thou and turn out to be human, one should expect to be held to one's own professed ideals True, Arpig, and false at the same time. The Fundy influence on the right has led to claims of the moral high ground on "family values" and such, but the left does exactly the same thing when it comes to "tolerance, compassion" and "diversity." It's mostly a crock on both sides.

thompsonx -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 7:47:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Remember when Michael Moor had the premier for his 9/11 propaganda film, and all the Dem movers and shakers attended? Wasn't it Daschal that hugged him after it was over? Not a single apology or "hey, his facts are wrong" out of any Dem that I remember. Just kudos and "Yeah man! Kick 'em!" FirmKY FirmhandKY: Which of Michael Moor's facts were wrong? thompson

Page: << < prev 2 3 [4] 5 6 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875