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I heard about it when it happened.
Checking around some I find it in the wikiquote article on him here:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
Which sources it from an article here:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm
As to the rest when you feel you have the time to be hammered on the hypocrisy of the right I'll be happy to provide the evidence.
Welllll ... DomKen ...
You've made my list of unreliable sources, and lost any credibility you had in the past with me.
I'll address your last sentence first:
I don't think you have the ability to "hammer" me on much of anything, I'm afraid. But, since you are obviously wanting me to be some kind of trash-talking right-wing nut, feel free to trot out your favorite hatred and conspiracy, and I'll be more than happy to make you look like what you are.
Your "sources" in particular, I find telling.
Sources
Wikipedia Article
The first one, a Wikipedia source that is suspicious as hell, and my conclusion is that you yourself or a buddy or another partisan hack has rigged it (and you list "computer expert" on your profile!). Wiki is good for a lot of stuff, but they have constant problems with BDS people such as yourself constantly going in and changing things, so that current events relating to Bush, Republicans and anything conservative is constantly being hijacked.
Exactly like this one has been hijacked. It's total bullshit (this particular article has been "edited" over 500 times since 2005 - tell ya anything?).
An article on GWH Bush, as President ... with little or no information about his history, or anything else. Almost the first paragraph is about the so-called "interview" that you are peddling, though. Interesting and telling.
If you didn't hijack the article and you aren't a hypocrite - then you're just gullible.
Positive Atheism website
The second source?
Well, here we get a little more information. Turns out that your "reporter" was an acredited reporter for the American Atheist news journal, and your cite is an atheist site, and the specific article was written by Madalyn O'Hair (who was murdered in 1995, btw).
The "incident" happened in ... get this? 1987.
It's being reported on from a partisan source (nothing wrong with that, per se, as I have discussed), but you've also not provided any non-partisan source of the comments.
I'd think that it would still be an item of interest to the main stream media, considering the "right wing religious mania" that many have about the Bush family. So ... why no other source?
Another problem is that the link you give ... is a blind link. The site (http://www.positiveatheism.org) doesn't have a home page. At least not when I tried it several times.
The site is registered to Positive Atheism Magazine in Portland OR. I hope that's not your name the whois provides as the registering individual (even though it's public information, I'll not provide it here).
So ... how'd you get a blind link to an article on a defunct site that starts out with exactly the stuff you are trying to peddle?
Truthfully, sounds like a smear job, and only people who are blinded in the atheistic hatred for Bush give it any creditability.
Of course, my opinion is subject to change, if you can actually provide anything at least approaching an actual reliable source.
Can you?
My Source - The Reporter himself.
No. You can't. You know why? 'Cause I went and did a 10 second google search myself on the subject, and found the "reporters" own site, and his comments of the subject. Let me quote you Mr. Rob Sherman himself:
All of the star reporters from the Chicago political press corps were there, along with members of the White House press corps (those who regularly cover the President and Vice President) and other national news reporters, but no other reporter did anything with the story about Mr. Bush's anti-atheist comments.
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Beginning a few years after my story was published [only in American Atheist Magazine, apparently - ed] , some atheists and other concerned citizens began to ask for proof that the conversation between Mr. Bush and myself actually took place, and that Mr. Bush actually said what he said. I had nothing but my spotless reputation to go on, but that's not enough for many who don't know me. Being that I was a print journalist, I had no need for a tape. All I needed to do was to take accurate notes and report the story in writing.
Urban legend has it that I supposedly made some kind of tape, but that I refuse to release it. The fact of the matter is that I never made a tape. Anybody who really knows me would know that, if I had made a tape, I not only would make it available, I would put it up on this web site so that you could listen to it. However, the reality is that I never made a tape.
A related question that comes up is: What about the tapes made by all the television and radio stations? Why can't I get it from them? The answer is that broadcasters save only that portion of their tapes that are broadcast over the air. After that, tapes are erased and re-used.
With regards to the story about Mr. Bush's anti-atheist comments, broadcasters already had three big stories out of the news conference: The Vice President of the United States had come to Chicago; the federal government was to provide us with disaster relief; and the Vice President talked about how he was going to win the Republican nomination for President. There was other news that day that newscasts had to cover, so three stories out of the news conference was deemed enough. The story about Bush's anti-atheist comments simply did not make the cut. That happens in broadcast news. They take the biggest stories and go with them.
So ... let me sum it up .... no other media outlet reported the story. There is no video or audio tapes of the event, no other reporter will verify the story (despite there being a lot of high powered reporters), and three other major stories came out of the event, so it should have been a memorable time.
But nobody but the lonely crusading reporter from the American Atheist Magazine heard the slur on atheists.
[pause]
How convenient.
Just maybe ... just maybe ... he had a deadline, a story to write, and an agenda to fufill?
I dunno. I wasn't there either. But the propondence of the facts seem weighted against your example, DomKen.
And, oh, btw ... his very webpage that I quoted above has "proof" that Bush did say it! But ... I'd advise you to take it with a huge grain of salt. It's a flawed "proof" that anyone with half-a-brain (or anyone without an agenda) could drive a Peterbuilt truck through.
But go ahead and try. Would entertain me in smacking you down. Again.
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