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If you're exploiting "wiggle room" is it Good Faith at all?
It’s realpolitik.
I *think* that means we agree. When you weasel around, you're not acting in Good Faith, which is a violation of our responsibilities under the treaty we signed onto. Which means the US can't HONESTLY call out anyone else for any violations. "Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't".
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Sovereignty is like Virginity. You either have it or you don't. Crossing that "Certain Point" is what we refer to as "An Act of War". And at that point, you lost the moral high ground.
You don’t loose the moral high ground if it’s self defense.
It's not "Self Defense" if it's a first-strike. And tampering with the internal affairs of a sovereign nation cannot be self defense, by definition, any acts affecting the US would HAVE TO BE "Foreign" affairs.
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Besides, what good is the moral high ground if you’re dead?
You do not do Evil, some people think this is important.
You do not burn in Hell for all eternity. Some people think this is important.
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And, doesn’t a person attempting to end your life forfeit their right to theirs? If the bully is obviously determined to pick a fight with you might as well fight and get it over with.
Of course, IRAN isn't trying to pick a fight, are they? I don't see a Casus Belli, do you? Get back to me when they commit an Act of War.
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I'll use the words of Keith Olbermann to respond... etc, etc, etc.
Olbermann’s snide little tirade is completely irrelevant to my point because he is making the same mistake you are (and meatcleaver) are: you are continuing to focus on the surface details. Your thinking seems to be: well Nazi Germany killed X number of people and Iran has killed Y number of people and since X is way higher than Y Nazi Germany is therefore way worse.
It's not the numbers, it's the Evil. Lesse. Hitler invaded, conquered and occupied. Poland. Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and France. North Africa, the Soviet Union, well, you get the picture.
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But as I see it what is most relevant is that in both cases (Nazi Germany and Iran) the relevant fact is not what slogan ("Sieg Heil" or "Allah Akbar") is being shouted out while someone is tortured or murdered but the fact that someone is being tortured or murdered. It is what the two have in common that matter.
The OBVIOUS flaw there is that the United States has a record of using torturing and murdering prisoners, too.
If the link between Germany and Iran is "Torture and Murder", than that group should be "Germany, Iran, AND THE UNITED STATES" have it all in common that matter.
Do you REALLY want to go down that road?
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In both case you have a small group of people oppressively ruling a country in order to feed their addiction to the most dangerous, most powerful, narcotic of them all – power itself. Fascism, communism, religious fundamentalism, whatever you want to call the surface ideology,
By your reasoning, NEO-CONSERVATIVISM is an ideology to be included.
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they are merely different masks covering the same thing: human evil. This is what we must fight against, not only in others but in ourselves.
As long as your willing to accept the WHOLE analogy, and the Bush becomes just as bad as Hitler as Amenidajad, doesn't he. Do you REALLY want to continue your analogy to it's logical conclusion?
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