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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:26:03 AM   
onestandingstill


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ORIGINAL: FORCEFULL11229

As a Lifestyle Dom in the life for over 25 years, it still amazes me to read the various ads from females who claim that they are slaves, but yet in their ads they dictate what they will and wont do. How they expect the "Master" to behave.
Funny, I always thought a slave does as the Master wishes, not the other way around. I also understand that the Master always has the slaves welfare at heart, making sure that no harm befalls her.

So if a slave has needs, in your opinion, for her to express what she needs to be emotionally healthy in a relationship up front as conditions disqualifies her from being a slave???
I think it's more she does not want to only serve, but needs to feel the relationship has the potential to meet what she requires to be emotionally balanced and whole also.
How's she supposed to match up with a Master with the same value system, same beliefs & is on the same page for her in your opinion then?
Just give herself to the first self proclaimed master and hope for the best???
I think your comments are not only unrealistic but just not ethical.
Slaves are not unthinking unfeeling livestock, they are people that will give you everything if you meet those minimal needs they discuss up front they need to have met to feel safe enough to give over their will to you.

suzanne

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:28:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

THEN girl why don't you become what you wish and leave the others to make their own decisions,I can tell from your attitude that you would have a "very" difficult time with a MASTER that takes no prisoners such as myself..When one accepts a collar I am sure most have had a discussion about all the why and why fore etc.SO it comes NOT as a big surprise that  a slave has no right except those granted by his kindness.THIS is America all have the rights to express them selfs,I have read your views and disagree but as always just the opinion of this ol" master and subject to change..bounty....


I make an issue out of it because there are a lot of weak and impressionable people that get drawn to submission and they need a dose of reality. Anyone read the news story about the woman who molested her Unmentionable because her "Master" told her to? That crap is happening all the time. Not all men wearing the name tag "master" are good people with your best interest at heart!

And yes, I'm sure I'd have a difficult time with someone like you.Doesn't make you a bad person but it makes you a bad person for me. Any Master I've been involved with has understood that my submission ends when you step on my mental or physical health (which could mean a lot of things.) I'm not going to stay in an unhealthy relationship regardless of whether its supposed to be TPE or not.

< Message edited by GeekyGirl -- 3/5/2007 7:30:15 AM >

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:29:36 AM   
StellaByStarlite


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Hypothetical situations vs. realism, I think that's what it boils down to here.

I can see what NControlofU is getting at. Total Power means just that to him: absolute power. But NControl, do you realize that even that is an illusion in America? If we're going to get all literal here, which you seem to be, you might as well go all the way.

It's silly and potentially damaging to make absolute statements as to what "real" slavery is. If you want to get right down to the gist of it, even a "no limits" slave has the law on his or her side, no matter what. No amount of debate will change that simple fact. If you think that doesn't make a difference, it does.

That being said, it's probably best to let individuals work it out for themselves.

Cheers,
Stella

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:32:46 AM   
izzybella


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Status: offline 		Honey, the main problem I would have with a take no prisoners master like yourself is to stop myself from throwing up a little in my mouth at the thought of you actually touching me. But hey thats just the opinion of this young girl and is subject to change (im pretty sure they have drugs that control nausea dont they??)

And you seem to miss my main point, anyone and everyone has quite alot of rights well aside from the ones that a kind old bloke like yourself would choose to give them, and seeing as you are an american I believe they happen to be enshrined in your constitution I believe. Now in your dotage you may actually think that by your force of will you can decide to remove them from someone, even if they may agree to this, but in actual fact seeing as we live in the real world it isnt actually possible to agree to give up your own basic human rights. By all means you can play a realistic game of doing so but at the end of the day you will always be liable if said slave turns around and decides that s/he doesnt like the game any more. And if you then decide to try and push the matter and make it a non consensual thing then your little hat will be very appropriate in whichever prison cell you happen to inhabit.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:33:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dartantris

A slave has no rights. They do as they are told. There is no such thing as a slave with limits. At least the last time I checked.



Let me pretend for a moment that you are correct.

A person is not a slave until they have an owner.

Someone looking for a potential master is not a slave, they have all sorts of needs and desires, interests and fear, limits and abilities.

A person who wants to be a slave is not a slave yet. They would do well to take the time to be honest about everything they want and need so they can find the best person they can be a slave to/for.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:35:25 AM   
sleazybutterfly


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Status: offline 		I think that every slave has limits, we only give up those limits when we have met the Master we are going to serve and put our full trust in (if ever at all).  I don't think we so much give them up then, but have found someone that compliments us totally..so we know they won't ever do anything that would cause us harm physically or mentally.

Until that point and ever after, we can have the same standards in who we are looking for as anyone else.  If we didn't, we should just agree to be with anyone that came along no matter what they wanted us for, or wanted to do to us.

We all have the right to submit to who we choose, be us sub or slave.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:37:29 AM   
NControlofU


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ORIGINAL: litleone8620

I understand where you're coming from. It's about 'false advertisement', so to speak. And i still say a TPE, no-limits slave is highly unrealistic.

But it still seems to me that you're forgetting is that slaves are HUMAN, just like everyone else. We're allowed to have standards, and we're allowed to not engage in anything that would be harmful to us.

It might be true that the Master has his slave's best interests at heart, but how can that be if he is making her do something she doesn't want to do?


Read what I wrote again.  I said, "A slave is property but, it is living, breathing, feeling property and when a Master finds a slave that meets his needs, he is going to be very protective of that property. "  Of course everyone has rights.  And I have the right to pass them by when I read their BS profile.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:38:36 AM   
NControlofU


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ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite

Hello. =)


Hypothetical situations vs. realism, I think that's what it boils down to here.

I can see what NControlofU is getting at. Total Power means just that to him: absolute power. But NControl, do you realize that even that is an illusion in America? If we're going to get all literal here, which you seem to be, you might as well go all the way.

It's silly and potentially damaging to make absolute statements as to what "real" slavery is. If you want to get right down to the gist of it, even a "no limits" slave has the law on his or her side, no matter what. No amount of debate will change that simple fact. If you think that doesn't make a difference, it does.

That being said, it's probably best to let individuals work it out for themselves.

Cheers,
Stella


It's an illusion to those who aren't living it.  I happen to be living it and loving it.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:42:40 AM   
litleone8620


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Status: offline 		Just like we have the right to choose who we submit to or not, the choice of limits, or lack of limits.



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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:42:41 AM   
izzybella


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Status: offline 		And why do I get the impression that a million females breathed a sigh of relief that you will be passing them by..... but then again old guys looking for another woman to fulfil some fantasy of a household of women to serve them are so thin on the ground that im sure the ladies are falling all over themselves in haste to put their applications in.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:43:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: izzybella

And why do I get the impression that a million females breathed a sigh of relief that you will be passing them by..... but then again old guys looking for another woman to fulfil some fantasy of a household of women to serve them are so thin on the ground that im sure the ladies are falling all over themselves in haste to put their applications in.


Well said!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:45:57 AM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		Yet another shite storm where no one is going to agree.
 
I just don't understand why people can't just say "this or that is not my bag, this is how I feel for MY relationships" and just leave out all the farkin bashing of others?
 
Definitions are moot at this point.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:46:48 AM   
GeekyGirl


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ORIGINAL: NControlofU
Read what I wrote again.  I said, "A slave is property but, it is living, breathing, feeling property and when a Master finds a slave that meets his needs, he is going to be very protective of that property. "  Of course everyone has rights.  And I have the right to pass them by when I read their BS profile.


So if you have self worth and a predefined way in wish you expect to be treated that makes your profile B.S? 

When I write a profile, I'm not a slave. I'm a submissive seeking a master. When he accepts me, I become a slave. Therefore at the time the profile is written I have every right to say whatever the hell I want in it and define whatever limits restrict my search. By listing our limits we weed out prospective dominants who have different desires and values.

How should a slave profile read? "Hi I'm Geeky girl and you can do whatever the hell you want to me and I'll kneel at your feet and agree not matter WHAT you ask me to do!"

Yeah, sure,  that really sounds like an intelligent, rational and well adjusted human being that I'd want to have around. <insert sarcasm>

People with brains are MUCH more appealing in my not-so-humble opinion.

Many men LIKE strong slaves who know what they will and will not tolerate in an relationship. They see it as sign or strength and intelligence.


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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:48:27 AM   
NControlofU


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ORIGINAL: litleone8620

Just like we have the right to choose who we submit to or not, the choice of limits, or lack of limits.




Just as I stated in an earlier post on this topic:  "Look, it's a matter of fact that slaves choose their Master every bit as much as the Master chooses the slave.  This is, after all, CONSENSUAL, not forced, slavery.  So, of course each needs to be cautious and selective in their choices. "

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:49:10 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		This is a very touchy subject.  I have chimed in once and think it is time to put this thread to rest for me, for a number or reasons, but mainly because there is very little listening and contemplation going on, and therefore, nothing at all like debate or anything worth taking home.

I suppose that I should have noted firstly that this was titled as a comment, which does suggest that the OP was just there to throw out a personal rule, rather than an idea for discussion and possible growth.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:50:16 AM   
onestandingstill


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ORIGINAL: NControlofU

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

NControlofU: So you're saying you can't be TPE and be monogamous? Again, a load of bull. I could easily say, "I am TPE within the confines of monogamy". I might have NO interest in being in a TPE where other people will be brought in.
quote:

Otherwise you are a Partial Power Exchange slave because you are setting your own limits.  Be a partial power exchange slave, there isn't a thing wrong with that.  But, why bother calling it Total Power Exchange, when it isn't?

Just because she can't give her all to you due to different needs she mentions up front  does not mean she can't have a TPE with someone who sees the world through the same view as she does.
What part of she gave the Master the limits of what she can participate in and be emotionally healthy up front before she submitted to him don't you get??
She was not owned or collared and if the Master wants a toy to share with others for his amusement he could have just kept moving past her profile and found someone who can enjoy and benefit from this desire he has.
A slave who has no self value or self preservation skills is a piece of livestock that's dead inside if you asked me.
She denied him nothing as she was not his to order or instruct.
Her will and life is not to be given to strangers who only want to use her for their purposes at the expense of her peace and self,  it's to be given to the one who's path is the same one her feet need to be on to be whole.
Everyone has a baseline.
If someone does not meet your ideal relationship needs up front just because the exterior of them is something you want to have as your toy to control is no reason they should sacrifice their all to not have their wellbeing and spirit nurtured.

It does not mean they can not live a full TPE with someone who's of the same perspective as she sees in the world.
A power exchange goes between the two, not one giving all and the other taking all without worrying about the one who gives herself to you completely.
Till you stop being a taker, and begin to interact in the balance of give and take it takes for TPE your power exchange will remain imbalanced and injurous.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:50:31 AM   
puella


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You beat me to it, again!!! hehe

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:50:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FORCEFULL11229

I also understand that the Master always has the slaves welfare at heart, making sure that no harm befalls her.


Until a slave has trust in a person that calls themselves a Master she has to look out for herself. It is not a automatic thing to become a slave to anyone that calls themselves a Master. There are alot of bad players out there. There is nothing wrong with being cautious until the right and trustworthy one comes along.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:53:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

I think you're enslaved when your head is so occupied by someone else that you don't even have the inclination to focus on what you wouldn't do for them, but rather the need to beg for the opportunity to do something you hate just for the priviledge to serve that person.  It's in that state of mind that the "sub vs slave vs bottom vs whathaveyou" debate becomes completely inapplicable.


Oh, EXCELLENT way to put it, MarieToo!!!  I hope you don't mind if I borrow that sometime!

I'm finding this thread very interesting.  I find it amusing that the OP, the supposed authority in this case, misused the word DOMINATE in the first line of his profile!  <giggle>

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 7:53:52 AM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		  Isn't it normally the other way around??

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Honey, you obviously missed the "want to be used as a toilet fetish" thread or "where do I get instructions on setting my sub on fire" thread. LOL

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