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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/5/2007 6:41:41 PM   
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I agree with MsKat as well. I draw the line at a bi/gay experience. But i'm not homophobic. I'd spend an evening with a couple in a 3some serving Her. I can join another guy if our attention is on serving a Domme.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/5/2007 7:44:30 PM   
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Wow, some post. Mt Mistress never asked me or discussed it. She just brought in a male one day. He was a crossdresser which helped. Then next session she expected it from me. I told her I was on the fence and she backed off. About six months later she brought in a male dom. This did freak me out because of the things he was saying and the intention was for me to service hime so he can have sex with my Mistress while I cuckhold. The next day I cried for a half hour on my Mistresses chest and she promised never to do it again. Now it has been a while since then and I am curious. Life is wierd. I did loss some trust but also gained so good experiance. You never know till you try it.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/5/2007 8:07:37 PM   
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I don't force sexuality on anyone.   I prefer they determine it for themselves. 

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/5/2007 9:38:15 PM   
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I'm quick to be up front with my hard limits so there is no "surprises." I would have to say though, if I was pushed into that type of situation it would show no respect toward acknowledged limits. Time to run.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/5/2007 10:18:53 PM   
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I agree with you as most straight men would

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/6/2007 10:43:12 AM   
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I have no interest in it and I have found more submissive males that want it then female.
I wonder why?  I don't see submissive women begging to be forced bi.
odd


This is part of My point exactly.  There are very few straight men who opposed the idea of watching/joining two women together, so why do so many flip out over the reverse?  There is a huge double standard between the sexes when it comes to this issue.  If you do the math, it is actually much more logical for one woman to be able to please two men, rather than the other way around.  Sorry, Gentlemen, but that's the harsh reality of it.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/6/2007 12:43:10 PM   
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This is part of My point exactly.  There are very few straight men who opposed the idea of watching/joining two women together, so why do so many flip out over the reverse?  There is a huge double standard between the sexes when it comes to this issue.  If you do the math, it is actually much more logical for one woman to be able to please two men, rather than the other way around.  Sorry, Gentlemen, but that's the harsh reality of it.


agreed m'Lady. it most certanly has grown to be a very strong interest to be with another M/male at a Woman's request. forced is probably not the correct phrase. the key would be it pleasing Her, and Her being very excited by me being taken or servicing that way. the more exciting it is for Her, the more exciting it would be for me.

it is a very difficult thing to explain, but it is the excitement that a Woman would receive out of me going that way to please and excite Her, me proving what i would do for Her (guy-guy being soo not as accepted in society). but it does seem to be not something that excites as many Woman as the reverse (girl-girl) is for guys. just seems that way to me, but i could be just not running into the right Women i suppose..

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/6/2007 12:49:05 PM   
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This is part of My point exactly.  There are very few straight men who opposed the idea of watching/joining two women together, so why do so many flip out over the reverse?  There is a huge double standard between the sexes when it comes to this issue.  If you do the math, it is actually much more logical for one woman to be able to please two men, rather than the other way around.  Sorry, Gentlemen, but that's the harsh reality of it.


agreed m'Lady. it most certanly has grown to be a very strong interest to be with another M/male at a Woman's request. forced is probably not the correct phrase. the key would be it pleasing Her, and Her being very excited by me being taken or servicing that way. the more exciting it is for Her, the more exciting it would be for me.

it is a very difficult thing to explain, but it is the excitement that a Woman would receive out of me going that way to please and excite Her, me proving what i would do for Her (guy-guy being soo not as accepted in society). but it does seem to be not something that excites as many Woman as the reverse (girl-girl) is for guys. just seems that way to me, but i could be just not running into the right Women i suppose..



There are those of us who are out there.  You just have to look.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/6/2007 1:16:25 PM   
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quote:

LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There are those of us who are out there.  You just have to look.


as i am to say the least m'Lady! *ws*

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/7/2007 8:36:23 PM   
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A couple of thoughts on this. First, a reply to a previous message:

>I don't see submissive women begging to be forced bi

I think this might be based on societal perception. At least to most of a man's peers, two women engaging in sexual activities together is seen in a much better light than two men (of course, not a universal truth). Thus, a man wants to be "forced" into trying it. Just a thought.

As for "forced" bi, I have often wondered about this myself. I've thought about it, and whether I would do it or not. While I probably would not engage in such behavior ordinarily, I probably would do this, if asked to do so by my Domme. The act itself, whatever it may be, I do not find exciting. What I do find intriguing is expressing my submission by engaging in an act I ordinarily would not. So, would I have been "forced" into it? No, not really. Then again, maybe getting wrapped up in the whole "forced" thing is a semantics thing anway.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/7/2007 8:43:58 PM   
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i have to agree with this becouse i had always heard the words forc fem and well if its somthing that i want then its not forced is it but why do Dommes still call it forced ? 

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I have to agree with Kat. If its something your curious to experience in a non forced situation, seek a Domme that can support you and help to facilitate.
The term forced is so gray. Like forced feminization in a male sub.. its not really forced if the sub doesnt say no.

Good luck. Playing both sides of the field is fun



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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/7/2007 8:47:12 PM   
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So if the guy gets into it, is he gay?

BBQ, anyone?

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/7/2007 9:36:41 PM   
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I thought I smelled BBQ.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/7/2007 10:43:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lonlyrossInNeed

i have to agree with this becouse i had always heard the words forc fem and well if its somthing that i want then its not forced is it but why do Dommes still call it forced ? 

ross.g







Couple of thoughts:

1) I believe one is born gay, straight or bi and it is wrong to genuinely force anyone to be anything else. 

2) Nothing wrong with being unsure what you are and experimenting.  I don't just think I am heterosexual anymore: I know it!

3) Lots of really hot fantasies are about being forced.  Rape fantasies are extremely common in women.  It might help us achieve orgasm.  It NEVER means we really want to be raped.

4) Lots of "forced fantasies" are a stupid idea to try in real life.  Reality is completely different, will usually fall short of your fantasy (by the time you negotiate limits, safe words etc it is hardly "forced" is it....as pointed out already above) and - worst of all - if it does flop, your favorite fantasy is wrecked!! 

5) Having said that, you can have really good scenes by suspending reality.  Bondage is a good example.  Some women (and men?) have the hottest sex while in bondage because they can suspend reality and trick their minds to believe their partner is "forcing" them to do all those dirty naughty things that nice girls (boys?) do not do.  Good kinky scenes can temporarily turn off the guilt switch in your brain

6) Is it good to switch off guilt?  Yes and no.  If you really want to try same sex relations but feel inhibited (by socialisation, upbringing, religion etc) then a good bit of "forced bi" role play could be the most liberating thing you ever do.  One day the "forced heterosexuality" you endured your whoe life will be addressed and you can be bi without forcing.

7) HOWEVER if you suspend reality but are not inherently bi or bi-curious, then you may come back to earth with a horrible thud.  Post play remorse (once back to reality) can be devastating for Domme and sub.  This is the point where male subs claim they were raped by the Dominant's husband/partner.  Scene reputations can be shattered

8) Oneof  a Domme's hardest responsibilities is working out whether "forced" anything will make her sub a whole and happier person - or hurt him.  Thats why negotiation and understanding is vital

9) Does it turn us on?  Turning on my partner turns me on.  Helping my partner grow makes me feel worthwhile as a person.  Both are expressions of love.




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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/8/2007 12:06:04 AM   
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MsCfrom Melbourne, that was absolutely beautifully put.  You shared all of the things I was about to and a few ideas of which I hadn't even thought.

I also think that "forced" bi with women wouldn't occur much in our society.  The idea that one shouldn't do something leads to the appeal of being forced or feeling as though you are being forced.  Women are expected to be affectionate towards one another and lesbian encounters are generally thought of as sexy and appealing.  I think that most women would be happy to experiment if they had the inclination.  With men, I think there is more fear of the social stigma attatched to gay sex.  They are afraid of not being manly, or that they will like it too much or myriad other issues.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/8/2007 8:53:29 AM   
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what would you do when your alpha sub has a fantasy of being forsed bi, he does not push the issue and does not want to hurt Me, I dont like to share but yet want to make this happen Im tornwhat do you suggest? I know it would hurt Me but on the hand i want to make him happy as well

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/8/2007 9:50:51 AM   
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Thank you for this no i understand a little more and think of it in other ways ;)

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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

quote:

ORIGINAL: lonlyrossInNeed

i have to agree with this becouse i had always heard the words forc fem and well if its somthing that i want then its not forced is it but why do Dommes still call it forced ? 

ross.g







Couple of thoughts:

1) I believe one is born gay, straight or bi and it is wrong to genuinely force anyone to be anything else. 

2) Nothing wrong with being unsure what you are and experimenting.  I don't just think I am heterosexual anymore: I know it!

3) Lots of really hot fantasies are about being forced.  Rape fantasies are extremely common in women.  It might help us achieve orgasm.  It NEVER means we really want to be raped.

4) Lots of "forced fantasies" are a stupid idea to try in real life.  Reality is completely different, will usually fall short of your fantasy (by the time you negotiate limits, safe words etc it is hardly "forced" is it....as pointed out already above) and - worst of all - if it does flop, your favorite fantasy is wrecked!! 

5) Having said that, you can have really good scenes by suspending reality.  Bondage is a good example.  Some women (and men?) have the hottest sex while in bondage because they can suspend reality and trick their minds to believe their partner is "forcing" them to do all those dirty naughty things that nice girls (boys?) do not do.  Good kinky scenes can temporarily turn off the guilt switch in your brain

6) Is it good to switch off guilt?  Yes and no.  If you really want to try same sex relations but feel inhibited (by socialisation, upbringing, religion etc) then a good bit of "forced bi" role play could be the most liberating thing you ever do.  One day the "forced heterosexuality" you endured your whoe life will be addressed and you can be bi without forcing.

7) HOWEVER if you suspend reality but are not inherently bi or bi-curious, then you may come back to earth with a horrible thud.  Post play remorse (once back to reality) can be devastating for Domme and sub.  This is the point where male subs claim they were raped by the Dominant's husband/partner.  Scene reputations can be shattered

8) Oneof  a Domme's hardest responsibilities is working out whether "forced" anything will make her sub a whole and happier person - or hurt him.  Thats why negotiation and understanding is vital

9) Does it turn us on?  Turning on my partner turns me on.  Helping my partner grow makes me feel worthwhile as a person.  Both are expressions of love.





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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/9/2007 4:32:35 AM   
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Before I met my Mistress, I would have said that I wouldn't ever be interested in bisexual play. After our relationship developed with love and trust, She asked me to because it turns Her on and I've agreed to do it because I love pleasing my Mistress. As long as the feelings of love and trust is mutual anything is possible. I consider myself  "straight" and have no interest in a sexual relationship with a man, but I found that I can participate if it is what my Mistress desires.

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/9/2007 6:30:18 AM   
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my mistress also loves to do this from time to time ...she loves to use her 10 in strapon on me and then she usually fists me ...one day i made the comment about wonder what it would feel like to have a real cock doing me and she took off with that comment and next time we got together she brought in another male for me to try ...yes we do trust each other alot ...she has this thing about seeing 2 guys together and who was i to say no to her ? it seemed very natural to suck him off with her doing the directing ..once he was hard she had him do me and yes he had a nice cock ...when he was done with me ...he did her and i got to watch ...very erotic indeed watching live sex right in front of you ....next time we did it i made the comment about never being with a black lady before and she brought a black male in for me to try ...at first i was very hesitant but he did have a nice cock as well ...done it 2 times with her and yes i dont consider myself to be bi ...with her and me pleasing her this way because she gets off on seeing 2 guys together i feel it is different ...ahh the things us sub males do to keep our mistresses happy ..smile ..not a every day thing for us but once in a while it is fun to do

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RE: Breaking a male sub into bi.... - 3/10/2007 8:47:47 AM   
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I'm short on time this AM so I haven't read all of the responses, just overlook it if I'm repeating what's been posted already.

Assuming that the issue has already been discussed in depth and in all sincerity with all parties involved, I'll just address the question at hand: how do you break the Bi barrier?

Assuming you're asking about physical semantics, I begin by having two male subs on opposite sides of the room, casually dressed.  I may assign one sub to attend me, as a body guard would, while the other sub and I go about a non stressful public activity, say, grocery shopping followed by an informal lunch where I can break the ice by engaging each sub in casual conversation to introduce them to one another.

The next session would be a formal BDSM training session, and it would be short.  It would consist of working on their service positions half clothed, on opposite sides of the room or at a comfortable distance from one another. 

Sessions would then progress to being clothed in only the thongs or break away velcro nylon shorts that I prefer, still at a comfortable distance from each other for most of the session.

Each initial session would be followed by much discussion on an individual basis, allowing me to gauge their reactions to various stimuli, comments, feelings, responses, etc.

Eventually, ready or not, the alpha sub would be given a BDSM related session in front of the beta sub, and that session would include first contact: they would be directed to stand side by side, arms touching, or back to back, shoulders and ass cheeks touching, while I play or torment either or both.

From that point I assign increasingly challenging tasks to one sub, the other, or to both, until we reach a point of mutual understanding and agreement as to what the expectations are for each sub individually and as a pair.

Baby steps.  Talk a lot, play a little, talk a lot, play a little. The time frame depends entirely on the two men involved and how well they cope or progress.

When it works, there's nothing more rewarding than two or three devoted male subs who engage well with each other and take joy in their individual roles within the dynamic of our relationship.

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