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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 6:18:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fergus

Whenever you treat someone like an object and not like a person you are robbing them of their basic human dignity.  This can happen NOT ONLY by treating them like a worthless thing, but also by putting htem on a pedastle.  Makes a person into NOT a person, but an image.  And that is a very dehumanizing experience.  So many come into this lifestyle (ot seems to me) wanting an ideal and not a person.  While that can be good for a little short -term NSA play, it certainly is not good for ANY sort of relationship.

fergus



Wow i think you just put what i feel into words I can finally understand. Always wondered why i felt insulted when a sub/slave wants to treat you as a Goddess to the extreme without even knowing you at all. I sometimes wondered if i was wrong in my feelings, but now i can see where they came from, i feel alot better. Thanks! 

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 7:00:51 AM   
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But... but...

BOOBIES!

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 7:09:45 AM   
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They also seem to feel that we are obligated to respond in a favorable fashion if they find us attractive.


i think that's a bit much... at most, i think we're hoping for "civility" nowadays.

See, the underlying problem is that some time back in genetic history, some evil bitch (or bastard) told the male gender that women like to be complimented, BUT WASN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH. So, we start out complimenting women the way WE would like to be complimented... and get our heads ripped off. Then we evolve to trying to compliment women based on attributes that they seem to be flaunting... and get our heads ripped off. Then we move on to "generic positives"... and get our heads ripped off. You see where i'm going with this.

Then, eventually, by blind luck most of us get married. Then our wives realize that we never compliment them on how they look... and we get our heads ripped off.

...dave

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 7:59:03 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

did i miss sending You an annoying, lame and degrading email today...well, darn...LOL

<makes a note to send an email to BeachMystress making shallow comments about what Her pics do to men>

(just kidding)

You forgot to send it.. *sigh* my life will never be complete now.

By the way.. nice pussy

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 8:02:05 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You do have big breasts, you know.

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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

What are your feelings on the subject?


I do? *looks down shirt* Well whatta ya know! I do.. Gee, I never noticed before!

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 8:10:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

did i miss sending You an annoying, lame and degrading email today...well, darn...LOL

<makes a note to send an email to BeachMystress making shallow comments about what Her pics do to men>

(just kidding)

You forgot to send it.. *sigh* my life will never be complete now.

By the way.. nice pussy


thanks...i like it...LOL


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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 8:33:49 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia
here's an interesting point to ponder. why post a nude or near-nude pic if those that post them don't wish to hear shallow...maybe even complimentary...replies?
i find it odd that, those who post these pics are surprised to get those time of emails...it's like on Jerry Springer...LOL

My photo is no where close to being near nude. You would see more if I was wearing a swimsuit. And while complimentary remarks, such as you look lovely or great eyes are wonderful to get, I do not want to get anything in email that you'd not have the balls to say to me face to face.

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 8:35:28 AM   
BeachMystress


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That "you" is the royal you.. not you personally. It meant anyone on the street.

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 8:43:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia
here's an interesting point to ponder. why post a nude or near-nude pic if those that post them don't wish to hear shallow...maybe even complimentary...replies?
i find it odd that, those who post these pics are surprised to get those time of emails...it's like on Jerry Springer...LOL

My photo is no where close to being near nude. You would see more if I was wearing a swimsuit. And while complimentary remarks, such as you look lovely or great eyes are wonderful to get, I do not want to get anything in email that you'd not have the balls to say to me face to face.


well, hmmmmm...i could be like other guys and comment on the revealing aspects of Your pics...but i do prefer complimenting You on Your eyes and Your smile


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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 9:08:23 AM   
BeachMystress


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Let me start with petdave.. As my most successful (he always has a Domme. He loses one and has another within a month) ex subs used to say, with women, you have to go north to get south. What he meant by that is that to catch a woman's interest and get to what most men want (the southern part of her body) the man must engage the woman's brain (the north.)  He spends a lot of time trying to explain this to other men, so they can also "catch" women this way.
 
And I will tell you it works. Every sub who has ever been successful with me has not started out by talking about my body or my Dominance, but about things that peaked my intellectual interest or that I enjoy. Those things range from woman to woman, but on a site like this where we often tell you on our profiles what we like and don't like, you guys have it simple. Rather than writing a woman the way you guys want to hear things (and yes, I know you've already figured it out.. this is for those other guys who haven't) find something on her profile that fits something you like. Do you love roller coasters and she loves roller coasters? Who cares that her photo is showing leg or ass or tit.. write to her about roller coasters. Tell her what the best roller coaster you've ever been on is and ask her which one she likes best. Or if she loves to cook, share your favorite recipe. Treat us like people! NOT sex objects.

While I'm not sure if fergus was talking about male subs and their dignity or objectifying Domme, heryesruponyou took from it one of the main things that bothers me about being greeted as a pair of tits or legs- or worse, as a goddess. I am a person, not their fantasy. When they greet me as an object, they are considering only themselves and what I can do for them. They are not looking to submit to me but to use me as an interchangeable cog in their fantasy. I could be ANY Dominant Woman. I could even be a blow up doll. (And yes, I have seen a submale serve a blow up doll.) I do not matter. As I often say, I am not life support for a strap on/whip/their-favorite-toy. If a sub gets excited about my "Dominant Nature" before he really gets to know me or can not tell me why he wants to serve ME as opposed to any other Domme, I find it insulting.

And, I am not just talking about the photo that is my avatar here. I get these comments on other sites as well. As a matter of fact, the majority of mails I get on this 'sex related site" (Strangely enough I do not see BDSM as sex, but power, but I guess each has their own expectation) are 98% positive and respectful. Some of those other sites do not even have a photo of ME on them. I've had men write and tell me how gorgeous I was, when the photo displayed was my husband's cock (http://profiles.yahoo.com/beach_and_toy) As a tried and true smart ass, I write them back commending them on their taste and tell them that I too think my husband has a beautiful cock and understand how my it can turn men bi or even gay.. and that they are welcome to view more of it at http://beachmystress.femdommesociety.com/dommephotoalbum.php


quote:

ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox
But what woman doesnt want hear she is hot or sexy???

Apparently I don't. And from other responses on the board, it seems that women may wish more to be treated as people than bits of meat. Being complimented is wonderful and very welcomed, but having some guy say "nice tits" is demeaning. You aren't a person; you're his fantasy wank off material. You've no value in his eyes other than what the visual of your body can do for him the next time he pulls his pud. I understand that you may not see a difference between compliment and a "nice tits" type of comment, but I do and do not appreciate men directing such at me. Perhaps the difficulty in understanding each other here is that you are a sub and are fine with objectification. I am a Dominant and do not care to be objectified.

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

thor gets treated like a sex object sometimes... but subs soon learm there is more 2 azzmaster than a handsome face and a huge dick

Don't worry azz, I'll make sure to tell them, as they line up naked at your feet, eyes on your huge dick, that you can recite poetry and tap dance as well.....

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 9:10:33 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia
well, hmmmmm...i could be like other guys and comment on the revealing aspects of Your pics...but i do prefer complimenting You on Your eyes and Your smile

The eyes I will take. And it is sweet of you to say! The smile on the other hand, is behind the hair!!

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 9:25:15 AM   
michaelOfGeorgia


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The eyes I will take. And it is sweet of you to say! The smile on the other hand, is behind the hair!!


there are other pics on Your profile...that's what i was refering to.



btw...You got mail


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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 9:29:27 AM   
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Don't forget women too, the breasts are rather nice to look at hehe.

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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia


<makes a note to send an email to BeachMystress making shallow comments about what Her pics do to men>

(just kidding)



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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 9:34:54 AM   
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Posting a provocative photo.........complaining about the responses; get real for christ's sake, don't bullshit an old bullshitter.
Provocative postings are, ARE, solicitations for, whatever the provacation was intented.
One picture speaks a thousand words.
See my tits and ass, now want them, lust after them, drool you piece of shit.....want them; then pay me.
See my feet, look how beautiful........want them? Want to lick them? Drool you piece of shit, masturbate now, cumm all over yourself....want it for real?......pay me.
You think J.LO is tormented by the thousands who jerk off at her photos, or at her movies;  you actually think she torments that....oh woe is me, no one wants to know the real me; for my goodness, charity, for my mind.
Get a life.

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 1:06:23 PM   
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Why do you sound more jealous to me than preachy as I'm guessing you intend to?
And why in the world are you dropping your bits of wisdom here if we're pissing you off?   
quote:

ferryman777
See my tits and ass, now want them, lust after them, drool you piece of shit.....want them; then pay me.
There is a recurring theme in your rant.    I wonder what the old bullshitter is not telling us.    

quote:

petdave
Then, eventually, by blind luck most of us get married. Then our wives realize that we never compliment them on how they look... and we get our heads ripped off.
...dave
Dave, I feel you babe, but there is a middle ground.   I think most women do enjoy compliments, as long as you do it in a way that is respectful and kind to her body/soul.    I don't know any woman who hates to be told positive things, unless you're bullshitting her/being disrespectful, in which case, she will rip your head off.    M

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 5:36:12 PM   
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Beach Mystress, sorry for the temporary hijack, but I need to clarify a point here -
 
katschen, the problem is not that he mentioned this once here, but that
the majority of his posts are about his genitalia and anal sex, which he
inserts into posts that have nothing to do with either.  In addition,
he made nasty comments to Mistresses who responded to this thread,
 
"Hey Doms! have u ever Dom'd a Domme?"

"perhaps u butch ladies could start ur own thread where u get 2 hate on doms, and i will leave u 2 it, but the question on here was gender specific, and i m really not interested in hearing a bunch of cunts with strap ons boasting about how they topped some dom. its a specific question. let doms answer, its only directed to them"
http://www.collarchat.com/m_854064/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm
 

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 6:03:12 PM   
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*snickers a bit* It never ceases to amuse me how people, both male and female will dress with the intent of attracting attention and them balking at it. Oh, and yes, most men tend to think that because they contacted you that you will drop everything and fuck them irregardless of what your interests or preferences may be. I believe it to be learned behavior, and with some training correctable. Beach, the first thing I thought when I saw your pic was "she looks playful and relaxed". I guess I am just too atypical to stare at smooshed boobies.

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/8/2007 6:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

How many of you are annoyed by subs who write to you with comments about .......


Used to annoy me but now I understand why they do it.  They are not stupid.

These men want to talk dirty to a woman for free.  Have you seen how much it costs to call a phone sex line?  

Is it realistic of us to expect men on a BDSM dating site not to try to talk dirty to the women here?  They hope the women here are slutty and silly enough to stimulate strangers online for free.  Some women obviously are.... or the odious practice would stop!

I find men very respectful towards me in BDSM clubs and at play parties (no matter what I wear!).  This is only an internet phenomenon. 

You can stop people writing to you here I believe.  Of course if you want to meet people, posting a sexy photo is a good way to attract attention and then sort the wheat from the chaff.  Of course, the chaff is pretty shallow, sleazy and tiresome (as per some posts above.....without naming names!)

Just to add: dont forget Domme-baiting!  Some men love being rude to us to get our attention (or just ruin our serenity).  Some guy called me a fake and as domiannt as a muppet yesterday!  Does he think I am stupid enough to go meet him now just to prove I am not fake?  Does that trick ever work?   

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/9/2007 3:38:53 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: ferryman777

Posting a provocative photo.........complaining about the responses; get real for christ's sake, don't bullshit an old bullshitter.
Provocative postings are, ARE, solicitations for, whatever the provacation was intented.
One picture speaks a thousand words.
See my tits and ass, now want them, lust after them, drool you piece of shit.....want them; then pay me.
See my feet, look how beautiful........want them? Want to lick them? Drool you piece of shit, masturbate now, cumm all over yourself....want it for real?......pay me.
You think J.LO is tormented by the thousands who jerk off at her photos, or at her movies;  you actually think she torments that....oh woe is me, no one wants to know the real me; for my goodness, charity, for my mind.
Get a life.

Wow, you sure are bitter. I'm sorry about whatever happened in your life to cause my post to be such a hot button for you. It is sad that you equate women with money. But while I feel bad that you've had such an experience, it is your problem, not mine. I do not accept your idea that because I post a photo of something I can wear to the grocery store that I am "asking for it." I truly hope you never sit the jury on a rape case with your attitude towards women!

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RE: Being treated like a sex object? - 3/9/2007 9:30:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

How many of you are annoyed by subs who write to you with comments about how beautiful your breasts are or how horny your photos make them? I usually just roll my eyes, but occasionally it does annoy me. I am not a male playtoy or sex object and never will be. When men tell me how sexy they find me (other than hubby, who is allowed) I tell them that is their problem, not mine. I demand normal respect and restraint from strangers, male or female. Just because I am a Dominant Woman and may wear corsets and such does not mean I am sexually promiscuous or welcome crass comments. 

And if a male can't manage to keep that in mind, and feels he must comment upon my large breasts, I find it needful to comment that the bulge in his pants looks awful small. That usually ends in a conversation about judging people by "size." Funny how they have to have their nose rubbed in the irony of complaining that I judged them on something that isn't their fault, when they just did the same to me. *shakes head* They also don't get the fact that a respectful sub would never press his opinions upon a stranger in such a rude way. *sighs*

What are your feelings on the subject? Do you ever find being told that you are sexy, that you have lovely breasts/ass/whatever-part-they-jerk-off-to annoying? Do you ever feel the subs who make such comments are treating you like a sex object?



Compliments and cat-calls can either be sincere or derogatory, depending on the motive behind the comment.   But they are just that: someone's opinion. 

No one can teach you how to let things roll off your back but you.  Honestly, I don't think it's wise to, as you say:  "demand normal respect and restraint from strangers, male or female"; you will be let down if you have such expectations.  Sure people should be cordial and civil to one another but reality is reality...  I can only tell you to consider the source.  If a person is sincere, intelligent, cool and tactful I take their comments into consideration.  But comments from those who are emotionally or socially deficient, I don't pay attention to.

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