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RE: Not a natural slave - 4/11/2005 3:38:25 AM   
slaveanwyl


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please do not beat yourself up so , i hold down a job where i am in charge and i used to think i could not be a slave and if i was a bad one but its not true the release you get by letting go of the power and sinking into your submission to a Master/Mistress is so good ..

if your owner suggests rituals go for it it focuses the mind and gives a change over from vanilla world to lifestyle role i do a welcome home ritual and it is my key to turning off vanilla thinking and entering the slave ..i kneel and kiss Master boots and at that time i let go of the vanilla world if Master is not home i go grab a shower or a bath and change clothes and whilst doing that i chill out so Master gets his slave

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RE: Not a natural slave - 4/13/2005 11:11:49 AM   
littleone35


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Status: offline 		A lot of people have day to day lives with resposivilities i am a sub when i am with my Master i am totally submissive to hm and i follow his prders throught the day. I am also a college student and i am different ther thwn i am woth my Master. The face i show the world is not my true face my true face is my submission to my Master

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RE: Not a natural slave - 4/13/2005 6:13:27 PM   
rozynozy


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Status: offline 		I am very new to this myself, and I totally agree with you. I have raised my children by myself, and I know I am a strong person, but with the right Master, I am his slave. That does not mean I am weak, but I put all of my trust in the right man. My Master says that I am a natural born slave, which at first I didn't believe, but I believe now he is right. I will do almost anything he says and I am proud to serve him.

Rozy

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/1/2005 5:28:57 PM   
happypervert


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Hi there kitten . . . I have a lot of experience

Wow -- you're really smooth! With just a handful of posts you've managed to make yourself the object of ridicule. It makes me wonder how you could get any experience at all when you only get the gals laughing at you with these corny pick-up lines.

Please keep posting, only instead of just making these lame attempts to act charming you should amaze us with your knowledge and opinions. I'm sure it would amuse us all.

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/1/2005 5:37:05 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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Hi there kitten,

I'm a master always up to new experiences and looking for a little playful conversation. Intrigued by your posts. I have a lot of experience, and would love hear back from you sometime. Email [email protected] or Aim : TheTimCurryBot for conversation. I'll even send a pic to peak your curiosity if you like.

Toodles,
~Bruce~


You gotta be kidding me..... He's real! He's all over the net!

Lily

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/1/2005 10:03:13 PM   
dragonofjapan


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Status: offline 		I saw reference to him on another thread but could not find his profile. Wow, what a guy! Why if you wanted to degrade and humilate yourself, why being seen in public with him should definitely do the JOB!!

Why he looks so swave and deboner.

Kittens? is this a reference to young pussy? why you older pussies are just being mean because you ahve lost your chance at the depths of degradation.

Maybe he can open a charm school.

****************

OK on a more cereal note.

I am a natural dominant. My older daughter is one as well. She was topping 7 year olds on the playground when she was 3. I would venture to say only about 10% of teh dominants out there are naturals. Most are site or circumstance specific.

I would say the same for submissives.

In fact I think many people who are dominant, hold power over people in their day to day life often turn to submission as a safety valve or a balance.

While there is the male and female in all of us. There is also the macro balancing of yin and yang in our relationships and the micro balancing within ourselfs.

Zip

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/2/2005 3:22:38 AM   
darkinshadows


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Kittens? is this a reference to young pussy? why you older pussies are just being mean because you ahve lost your chance at the depths of degradation.


Hey!... Less of the 'older'... I prefere the descriptions 'mature and womanly' - lol


Peace and Love

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/2/2005 4:51:53 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

quote:

Kittens? is this a reference to young pussy? why you older pussies are just being mean because you ahve lost your chance at the depths of degradation.


Hey!... Less of the 'older'... I prefere the descriptions 'mature and womanly' - lol


Peace and Love


Some of us are tigresses at our prime! *purrs softly*

I think I was very much like your daughter, Zip. I had a playground harem, offering tribute and attention to me when I was 5.

- LA

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/2/2005 6:51:35 AM   
Synocense


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Status: offline 		Excellent references, imo.
I live in Tucson and belong to the local BDSM club. This has given me many opportunities to speak to Master Steve, attend his seminars, etc.

gg - Don't believe everything you read.

*hugs*

Syn

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/2/2005 1:33:54 PM   
happypervert


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OK on a more cereal note.

I am a natural dominant.

Do you prefer to be called something like Captain Crunch or maybe Count Chocula instead of Sir or master?

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/2/2005 3:30:02 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

OK on a more cereal note.

I am a natural dominant.

Do you prefer to be called something like Captain Crunch or maybe Count Chocula instead of Sir or master?


Maybe just a Froot Loop!

I personally think I'm a Special K...

- LA

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/4/2005 3:42:11 PM   
tasteofhunney


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Status: offline 		there is nothing wrong with you and why do you think that your not good enough to be someones slave?

being in the workforce is great and working is great, it pays the bills, but when you serve your Master He should be glad that you are bringing in money....and can serve Him also.

W/we are a D/s couple..collared and engaged also W/we live 24/7.every other weekend His girls spend the weekend with U/us..so i actually have 3 jobs...and to me its all worth it...its been over 3 years like this and i wouldn't change it for the world.

be well and good luck

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/4/2005 3:44:12 PM   
tasteofhunney


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Status: offline 		there is nothing wrong with you and why do you think that your not good enough to be someones slave?

being in the workforce is great and working is great, it pays the bills, but when you serve your Master He should be glad that you are bringing in money....and can serve Him also.

W/we are a D/s couple..collared and engaged also W/we live 24/7.every other weekend His girls spend the weekend with U/us..so i actually have 3 jobs...and to me its all worth it...its been over 3 years like this and i wouldn't change it for the world.

be well and good luck

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/7/2005 1:33:19 PM   
fourpeas


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Status: offline 		I find it interesting that several other people who are submissives are perceived as dominant by their friends or acquaintances in "vanilla" (whatever...) circumstances. That's the same way with me too. Really weak men who just want to be mothered are always attracted to me. Or passive aggressive men. Weird...

I read: www.submissiveloving.com

"Submissiveness is a strength seeking a proper context."

That really moved me. I think that it is very true. I think it takes strength to submit. I also feel without a DOUBT that it takes a great deal of courage to submit to another's will, most of the time without even knowing what they have planned for you. And in our particular culture, "strength" and "courage" are usually, if not always, viewed as active, aggressive principles. I don't see it that way...



This whole debate about "natural" vs "not natural" is just interesting to me. I think that in all of us there are so many elements that it would be virtually impossible to isolate it like that.


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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/11/2005 4:27:40 PM   
Raphael


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ORIGINAL: ggonknees
is there anyone out there who have had the same experience (same battle in head) and if so, any thoughts or advice. or just someone to say it's OK, natural



I've known several deeply submissive women who had high profile, 'dominant' professional personas. Including at least one that was a pro-domme, in fact. I don't think it's very unusual, really. High level executives, lawmakers, etc. of both sexes seem to be more likely to have a strong craving for a role reversal when it comes to the bedroom.

Debates on what constitutes a true sub are pretty stupid I think. As long as you're sincere and honest, you shouldn't have to worry about that.

A sub/slave that wants to stay at home and keep house may be a different type than the one that orders people around all day at work and really needs to be spanked and taken when she comes home, but they're both valid paths. The trick is just finding someone whose own path meshes properly with yours.

Good luck

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/11/2005 6:53:14 PM   
analwhore


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Status: offline 		Well personally I spent a long time not knowing what I was and, in my day life I am anything but a slave. I am not saying that I am cold or insensitive but, that I take charge of things and ppl. And as a mechanic I have someones life in my hands anytime I touch a car or truck. One slip up and I have basically killed someone but, I was a very submissive lover long before that. My point is that you are who you are and there is in my own opinion no natural slave or dom but instead peaple who are more domminant or submissive than someone else. Even in a vanilla relationship one partner has more control. So don't worry so much about the title and just be who you are.


****EDIT**** Was not meant to appear as a quote.

< Message edited by analwhore -- 5/11/2005 9:51:53 PM >

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/11/2005 7:02:52 PM   
Lepidoptera


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ORIGINAL: ggonknees

SweetDommes, thanks, that's sound advice. and i have that in my head, but it's almost like going through adolescence again - learning new rules. i've 'mastered' relationship in the vanilla world (i.e. i get how they work, understand the boundaries)...and now i'm having to rewrite my rules ...and accept my true self - which is the person i'm hoping to find over time as a slave
gg



I didn't know there were "rules" in vanilla relationships either.

I think you'll find that every Dom/Domme is different... they all have completely different ideas what is expected as a slave. One Master and I talked as equals most of the time, except during play. Another tried to keep me submissive all of the time, which I found I hated. Feel free to experiment with different people- it's the best way to find out what you want.

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/13/2005 1:05:16 AM   
suberic101


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Status: offline 		That question, of being a natural slave is why I know I need to be trained to serve i all aspects of a Mistress' life.

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/13/2005 4:38:09 AM   
sassysilk


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Status: offline 		Heya honey :)

I personally HATE the term natural slave/submissive, and that's it what I am labled as. This can throw off something very important... pull up a pillow and let sister silky tell ya a lil story :)


So... I always knew who I was and all of these kinks, but it took a Dom stumbling upon my profile in an online game to open my eyes to know who I was had a name. On my profile it said likes: dominant men. Dislikes: pacivists. Sounds pretty simple after looking back, but the truth is i denied that I was a sub, or maybe even that it was purely kink and fantasy until he and others along my journey showed me that being submissive does not mean I am passive!
Btw a lil idea on how i see the terminology of things... I am a submissive. I am also my Master's slave in our private moments. But, I am always his baby, his pride, his love. Titles, terms, etc of how you express this does not matter at all... you say potato... get what i'm saying?
The number one thing anyone can guarentee in this lifestyle is that most two are not the same. Just the same as not everyone has the same sexual preferences. This is also not something that natrually occurs with someone, either, no matter what anyone wants to argue with me. While i am a "natural sub" it is only natural for me to be here when I have truely found my match, but to find your match you must know what you are and what you like/dislike.

The best advice I can give you is to do as much reading, talking to others, etc as you can. Watch out for the wanna be's, as they are hard to point out in a crowd sometimes, but I can't tell ya how many people walk around places saying they're D/s, but have never knelt/paddled a day in their lives lol. There is only so much you can learn without having a dominant and that is ONLY because no two doms will expect the same thing from you. Take some time to learn about who you are, try to get to know yourself in your subbie shoes, and then when the time is right you will find that person to allow you to safely be in sub space with them and you will see just how natural it will be for you, too :)

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RE: Not a natural slave - 5/13/2005 5:42:10 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: sassysilk

Dislikes: pacivists.

OK I'm too lazy to go to dictionary.com, what's a "pacivist"?

quote:

Watch out for the wanna be's, as they are hard to point out in a crowd sometimes, but I can't tell ya how many people walk around places saying they're D/s, but have never knelt/paddled a day in their lives lol.

I find with exposure and experience, the players are easy to spot at 20 paces.

And lets remember, Ds isn't about kneeling or paddling. Some Ds relationships do NOT include bdsm, not every dom wants their sub to kneel or be paddled.

I understand your point- people are trying to be something they have no real understanding of what they are trying to be. But it's not kinks or bdsm that makes us who we are.

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