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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 5:48:18 AM

sweetnurseBBW

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Being a slave to me has nothing to do with being owned. It is how I identify myself owned or not. It is a simple as that.

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 5:53:40 AM

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If you can't be a slave unless you're owned then you can't be a submissive unless you're actively being dominated. What you can do in both situations is say that when in a relationship you prefer a M/s or a D/s one.

Besides, being an unowned slave doesn't mean you're submissive. It doesn't mean you accept the wrong change at a store because you're unable to talk back. It doesn't mean you wait patiently for someone to make space for you in a crowded bus line. It's as much a reference to a relationship role as is slave.

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 6:54:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

i feel anyone who yearns to be a slave, is of slave heart. the term is nothing selective or pure to me.

That's like saying I have an art heart because I yearn to paint and to create beautiful images.

It sounds really nice in a story.

No, I think this makes you an artist. But I have never heard of a "slavist" so people just say "slave heart."

As to whether someone is a slave if owned or not, it's not something I give any thought to as it's not that important to me. I've heard some say that the definition of slave is "owned property" so without an owner a slave is not a slave. Just as without something to own, a Master is without a Master. But there is also the argument of what's in a person's heart; and what drives them.

I really don't spend much energy on it and I think through the course of conversation, people in a conversation will learn what the other is talking about.

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 9:05:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

If you can't be a slave unless you're owned then you can't be a submissive unless you're actively being dominated. What you can do in both situations is say that when in a relationship you prefer a M/s or a D/s one.

Besides, being an unowned slave doesn't mean you're submissive. It doesn't mean you accept the wrong change at a store because you're unable to talk back. It doesn't mean you wait patiently for someone to make space for you in a crowded bus line. It's as much a reference to a relationship role as is slave.

this is where my beliefs differ from many in the lifestyle...i do not view being "a" submissive as a relationship role. imo, one who is submissive only within the confines of a particular relationship, is not "a" submissive, tho they may be submissive by general lifestyle standards. the person with the uncontrollable drive/need to please others, who takes the wrong change, doesn't make a fuss when wronged, does for others even at the expense of themselves, etc...these are qualities of a submissive.

submissive is a personality trait. slave is a status. like doctor, teacher, coalminer. sure, you can be born with a nature and desires that would make a good slave (or doctor, teacher, coalminer), however until you are actually owned you are not a slave. but, just as a retired doctor is still considered "doctor", a slave whose Master has passed away is still slave. the exception would be if a slave were actually released by the Owner...if i were released, and not given to another, i would not consider myself slave. i would just be a submissive with slave training and wiring.

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 9:37:06 AM

mixielicous

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daddysprop, you beat me to my reply, LOL. i agree that submissive is more of a way of being, and slavery is the ultimate way of doing. For the record, i would never tell anyone who claims to be a slave that they are not worthy, pure of heart, etc. you are what you say you are, and on the internet well thats good enough for me.

and i want to thank everyone for well, staying level headed and stating opinions with great candor [read: yay for debating and not flaming or arguing on such a personal topic

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 10:20:30 AM

TrueCalling

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Going to a dungeon does not a slave make...nor does visiting one's "Master' when frequent flier miles allow. This is how I personally see things...I know others tend to view things more 'liberally' but what I call my 'window of definiton' is a bit more narrow and a lot more defined.. Back to my good ole 'always and all ways', words to live by. Being unowned does not release me from living according to principle, and my beliefs. It does not give me a license to do, to buy, to be irresponsible or do foolish things on a whim, that I would not do when i belong to someone. Not belonging to someone, I do not call myself a slave now, although I do use the word to put a meaning to who/what I am when communicating with a Dominant that has inquired. I try, to the best of my abilities to live a life that will honor, not disgrace life as intended. I do however consider myself slave to an awesome anchovie pizza!

Heck, all that and I dont even know if I've 'answered' the question!

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colleen!

Psst, Aqua~does an Aqua heart still bleed red??

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RE: are you still a slave? - 3/15/2007 10:23:07 AM

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