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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/14/2007 6:03:21 PM   
RWAble


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Status: offline 		This is a silly question for someone that claims to be A Dominant person. Use Your brain.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/14/2007 6:06:08 PM   
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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 3:47:56 AM   
DemonSadist


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ORIGINAL: RWAble

This is a silly question for someone that claims to be A Dominant person. Use Your brain.


Ah the usual trolling rubbish returns. Do try and explain why getting clarification on legal matters is so silly. Either that or type your pathetic self esteem boosting crap elsewhere.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 4:08:48 AM   
wandersalone


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Status: offline 		I t does seem that people have answered your question ie. legally bdsm'ers are pretty vulnerable.  I had some time on my hands so did a search on google and found some links for you -

http://www.bdsmrights.com/
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/encyclopervia/BDSM
http://www.ukfetish.info/
http://uk.dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Sexuality/Issues_and_Causes/Legal_Issues/
http://www.answers.com/topic/bdsm

I had typed in 'bdsm legal UK'.  sometimes it is quicker and more effective to do a search yourself if you find that you are not happy with the answers on a chat forum.

disclaimer - I have no information about the correctness of any of the info on the above sites, please do not sue me, I am just trying to be helpful

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 4:10:33 AM   
susie


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ORIGINAL: RWAble

This is a silly question for someone that claims to be A Dominant person. Use Your brain.


In a way I agree with this.

If you are so sure of your submissive and that she would not make a complaint against you, why are you asking this question in the first place? If you and she are in a consensual relationship then how is anyone else going to know what the two of you get up to. The only time the law would become involved is if either of you goes outside the relationship and makes a complaint. So whilst I would not say this is a silly question, given what you have said about your relationship it is certainly an odd one for a dominant to be asking.

You also do yourself no favours in the way you have responded to the above quote.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 5:18:52 AM   
DemonSadist


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Status: offline 		Well RW's response requires nothing but derision. I wouldn't want to respond to that quote in any other way. It's pompous, transparent, condescending crap that the majority of people on this thread have avoided very very easily.

It's really quite easy to imagine a situation where the police can be called by a neighbour or passerby because my slave is being rather vocal. In fact that scenario was mentioned on this very thread by another person so it's hardly an obscure idea, such a shame RW didn't employ his or her skills on a little cognition. 

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 5:24:07 AM   
DemonSadist


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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

I t does seem that people have answered your question ie. legally bdsm'ers are pretty vulnerable.  I had some time on my hands so did a search on google and found some links for you -

http://www.bdsmrights.com/
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/encyclopervia/BDSM
http://www.ukfetish.info/
http://uk.dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Sexuality/Issues_and_Causes/Legal_Issues/
http://www.answers.com/topic/bdsm

I had typed in 'bdsm legal UK'.  sometimes it is quicker and more effective to do a search yourself if you find that you are not happy with the answers on a chat forum.

disclaimer - I have no information about the correctness of any of the info on the above sites, please do not sue me, I am just trying to be helpful


Well I've said im happy with the majority of responses, I've said that at least twice. And I thank you for your help, I've read a few of those already and while they are sort of helpful the few I read didn't actually offer information on the legal status of practising BDSM in the UK.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 7:42:14 AM   
MasterDesire


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Your so right. I have been making comments about abuse and so on for some time but maybe now some are learning to be cautious. If called to a complaint a officer in most if not all states now must arrest to one causing the marks. And yes finger nail scratchs are marks as is a bruised cheek either place for the cheek. The one with brusies will be phootgraphed and then will have to appear in court. The abuser MUST be arrested and in most cases not be allowed bond for 72 hours (cool down time). There is even a section to the law that involves implied consent. Sorry but the eyes of the officer or witness are the ones that count. Just last month a 18 year old guy slaped his girlfriend at school  and he is facing up to 5 years behind bars. Added time since was on school porperty.

A very strong word to the wise, if your going to leave marks or  can be heard by others  be very careful. It is not up to you or your partner any longer. It is the discreation of the offier who is going to jail and one is going make no dought about it. Also some states are now using the laws from years ago such as two people must be married to live together, and they are making them stick. So be very carefulf as opening your life to the outside the home may be very costly

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 9:17:15 AM   
submittous


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Status: offline 		As many have said consent is only good if it stays consent after the act is over. We like the idea of writing it down although we recognize that it has no legal power, an agreement might have some influence on a specific prosecutor.

Little we do in SM is truly legal, in most jurisdictions no one has the power to consent to assault. But the bottom line is that it depends on where you are, some DA's are quick to go after BDSM that looks like a crime and others are understanding of the variety of human sexual activity and tend to not pursue charges involving consenting adults..... know your local politics.

We are a little unique living in Mexico, the authorities tend to leave gringos to their own devices because they think we are all crazy to start with.

play safe

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 11:02:02 AM   
MagiksSlave


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ORIGINAL: DemonSadist

Care to expand?


yeah well in the realtionship one would thing the Master has all the controll, and can do as they please to the slave, but if the slave one day desides well I dont like this any more or whatever they can go to the police and the only one that will get in trouble is the Dom.. that puts a lot of power in the sub/slaves hands if that makes any sence.. so really the Masters power is an eliution ( I know bad choice of words, what I mean is the only thing backing this power up is the slave willing to give it the Master has no real right to that power) within the relationship but the slaves power is actual real legal power. The Master cant take it away. I dont know if I explained it right

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 11:12:06 AM   
Hotch


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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

LOL you know this makes me think who really is in charge the Dom or the sub
food for thought!!

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Nobody's in charge.  It's a shared experience with equal participation.  If the relationship sours, neither will be able to control the others will.  Consent is what separates D/s from abuse and it provides all parties with control over their lives.  While this doesn't change the legal definition of assault, it's understood by the more enlightened in law enforcement.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave? - 3/15/2007 11:54:46 AM   
amayos


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DemonSadist
How far can you legally go with a consensual slave?


Legally? Not very far. Then again, if we wanted to follow the law to the letter, we wouldn't get very far doing a lot of things we may enjoy.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 12:12:43 PM   
UncleLarry


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Status: offline 		Point 1: Why concern yourself about legality? BDSM is about mutual pleasure. Focus on that and legality should never enter into the picture. If legality does enter the picture, you lose no matter what happens, so do everything possible to mitigate your losses.
Point 2: Why even bring up the issue of "too far"? Mutually consenting adults should never find this an issue provided that you each respect each other. For non-consenual play, always define the limits of the sandbox. If you want to step outside that sandbox, then find another partner that's ready to go there with you.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 1:06:51 PM   
LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: MasterDesire

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Your so right. I have been making comments about abuse and so on for some time but maybe now some are learning to be cautious. If called to a complaint a officer in most if not all states now must arrest to one causing the marks. And yes finger nail scratchs are marks as is a bruised cheek either place for the cheek. The one with brusies will be phootgraphed and then will have to appear in court. The abuser MUST be arrested and in most cases not be allowed bond for 72 hours (cool down time). There is even a section to the law that involves implied consent. Sorry but the eyes of the officer or witness are the ones that count. Just last month a 18 year old guy slaped his girlfriend at school  and he is facing up to 5 years behind bars. Added time since was on school porperty.

A very strong word to the wise, if your going to leave marks or  can be heard by others  be very careful. It is not up to you or your partner any longer. It is the discreation of the offier who is going to jail and one is going make no dought about it. Also some states are now using the laws from years ago such as two people must be married to live together, and they are making them stick. So be very carefulf as opening your life to the outside the home may be very costly

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You are quite welcome.  I'm glad I didn't misinterpret the original question.  I try to look  at things from not just the surface and realize that not just the first scenerio might be the only scenerio.  Kind of like that game show "Family Fued".  There's always the most popular answer, but usually, there's more than one answer to any given question. 
 
Personally, I travel away from home at least once a month.  When I do, I/We stay at hotels.  Last month in particular, I was in Auburn AL for a party a friend was having.  To make a long story short, the "after party" started in one room at the hotel and changed to My room at the hotel because the person in the neighboring room called the police due to the noise.  At the time, I was quite glad the flogging I was giving to a consentual sub (not My sub, one that had asked if he might be made use of for entertainment) had just barely started.  The good part to the story is that we simply changed rooms (the neighbor to My room was also a part of the gathering, so no more potential issues), the exhibition/session lasted for about an hour in front of about 20 people, and the boy had an absolutely wonderful trip into sub space.  All's well that ends well.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 2:20:42 PM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Well, given the topic of the title, I am not surprised at some of the so called "crap" that has been posted.

When a person asks the question, "How far can you go legally with a consentual slave?", one would automatically assume they are thinking "Gee...how much cool and extreme stuff can I do to this person without going to jail?"

Whch is a bit on the lines of "Yippee...I have a slave and I can do whatever I want!" type thinking.

Luckily you clarified yourself so I didnt add to the "crap" posted here.



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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 2:56:43 PM   
DemonSadist


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Status: offline 		Well done you for actually doing the sensible, rational, thing and reading the first post instead of just spouting the first inanity that came to mind. It's a shame you seem to think that it's anything lucky though.

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 2:59:41 PM   
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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 3:01:31 PM   
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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 3:04:12 PM   
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There are times I am quite ashamed to be English.


Now you know what it's like to be American all the time



*dodges and runs from the fire*

(I'm sure the Europeans will get that one)

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RE: How far can you legally go with a consensual slave. - 3/15/2007 3:07:08 PM   
DemonSadist


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Status: offline 		I mean really, how silly. I post a legitimate question. I respond politely to everyone who offers advice and I respond in kind to those who type rubbish to try and sound clever or wise or whatever the hell they happen to need to feel at that particular time. Then some of them get annoyed when they get a taste of their own medicine.

Oh and it's not a complex when I actually am superior to you, Mr Bunny Rabbit  At least in terms of being able to read and respond to a post on a message board.

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