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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 11:55:55 AM

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NorthernGent,
With all due respect...
Please read my previous post a second time. My point was that at any age 3, 15, 80, or 90/95 any dog can be taught appropriate behavior, just as any other animal or person can (barring some learning difficulty, brain injury or disease)... Although I have never seen an 80 or 90/95 year old dog before. An example would be some birds, such as parrots can live to be 80 or 90 years old, yet they can still be taught to say things, perform tricks and modify their behavior even at that age.

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I understood your point/post first time 'round. Out of interest, how have 15 years old dogs responded to your training?

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 12:07:21 PM

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Depending on the dog, at 15, their eyes are going, their legs are going and all sorts......if an old dear is in a wheelchair you wouldn't attempt to learn her to walk. I'm in full agreement that a dog needs to know its place in the pack, otherwise it will attempt to subvert it, but at 15? I think it depends on the dog's health and 15 is a good innings for a dog i.e. most dogs are on their last legs if they've made it to 15.

Is a 15 years old dog the equivalent of an 80 years old man/woman? Aren't we talking nearer 90/95 years old here?

age-ism.

Maybe it's just over here, but when our old boys and dears hit the 90 mark they're not the spring chickens of their prime.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 12:28:07 PM

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Teaching old dogs, cats, and people new tricks....

Last year we had to put a 27, yes twenty-seven in real people years, old cat to sleep. And he could not only be taught new behaviors with out violent punishments such as striking, but taught his new found regimens to the two Siamese kittens we got the previous year. Ferrel cats learn to hunt by first observing, then trial and error until they get it right.

The problem with cats is they are ornery and often stubborn, so patience is a must with them, but every cat can learn by observing. How to open doors, sneak cans of food off the counter with out bouncing them on the floor, where the new litter box is and so forth.

Dogs often need a physical reinforcement, but positive rewards work better than punishments. A good back scratch or back massage works as well on a large dog as on a person. Often better. Better to make the dog love you than fear you. Ditto any other animal.

So... yes you can teach an old dog a new trick. Yes you can hurt a dog.. their noses are very sensitive to a flat newspaper. Horses can be controlled by grabbing an ear, if he will let you reach it.

People? Dumbest critters on the planet. Sometimes you just have to apply firm pressure, physically, mentally, what ever.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 1:18:03 PM

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I own large well behaved dogs and have not and will not ever feel the need to hit them. I don't feel there is ever a need to hit any dog that I'm training. Positive reinforcement, a collar and lead and consistancy are all that are needed for training. I train them with hand signals as well as verbally. They soon are capable of understanding each command indepentantly. I also believe dogs perfer knowing what is expected of them and much happier the structure and their job, rather than the alternative. To me, any type of punishment longer than 10 minutes is excessive, such as sending them to their kennel. I do kennel train them, so they're comfortable in them (going for vet visits and trips) and such and they've no problem happily going to play or take a nap in one.

For me, I'd put down any dog book at the first mention of hitting and search out a new book. I also don't train with food or treats. I give my commands once and expect them to obey. I don't want to have to tell the dog 3 times to lay down or sit when it's running towards the street after a ball, then it finally decide to obey that command and lay down in the middle of the road and a car is barreling down on it.

It might be wiser to have the dog stay in a different portion of the house than your mother until she either leaves, or goes to bed. I wouldn't allow them to be unsupervised together at any time, for both of their sakes.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 11:03:15 PM

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Thank you:) The second one is of me and my doggie:)

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btw the new pictures are very nice

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 11:16:05 PM

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MistressDiane He's not an agressive doggie, well I mean rushing into the house ahead of you there by pushing past you might not be the nicest thing to do, but he honestly means no harm. If he feels I have done something wrong he will growl maybe now and then bite, however I feel it's a mistake of mine.

Fortunatly we don't have toddlers.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/18/2007 11:38:41 PM

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You can not strike a dog, period. I had a 130 pound Rottweiller for the longest time. I adopted him and he was formerly abused. He would always back away when someone went to pet him. Well, one day after I gave him away he snapped. He attacked a guy several times his size and gave him 60 stitches. He was immediately put down.

Whether it works or not is debatable. What is not debatable is the negative effects it has on the dog.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/19/2007 8:14:20 AM

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real one said

yeh if ou smak em with a stove pipe LOL

No i m serious that s a really weak part of their body.

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RE: Can you hurt a dog if you hit them on their nose? - 3/19/2007 8:22:46 AM

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What I've found disturbing is nobodies concern for the mother. I'm sure she's not a spring chicken anymore and her response most likely comes from her fear of falling and being injured. Sorry guys call me old fashioned but when it comes down to my mother being injured or the dog learning some manners, I'm for teaching the dog some respect for all the humans in his life. She most likely feels a little hurt too that you'd allow her to be put in this position by not training him from the onset of these problems and letting it continue til she has to fear for her safety.

edited to add.... I don't know if you have toddlers in your life or around your home but this behavior is very dangerous for them as well. What if a child is walking in the door and the dog "bowls" them over to get in first and in the meantime the child cries, yells or reacts quickly, who's to say they won't get bitten as well? I have a heart for elderly dogs but I can also see the danger in the situation of letting the dog get away with being aggressive AND in control. It's not a good combination.

I am concerned for the mother, MistressDiane, and I agree with your statement that the dog needs to learn manners. The only way this dog will be trained is with lots and lots and lots of training and time spent teaching it proper manners. Spending an hour at a dog training seminar and then ignoring the dog the rest of the time just wont do it.

Consistency is the key.

Somebody has to be in control, I would recommend it not be the dog.

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