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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 6:32:03 AM   
slavequery


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Well ahead of You on this one. All real property insurance policies bank accounts are in my adult children's trust. He will never legally be able to touch them, what ever NEW legal paperwork He draws up. i took care of this topic a couple years ago, when both turned of age.

As for the "years" comment, i do not know exactly the time line. At this point it is just thoughts on paper. No need for flaming.

i wonder where the kindness of the lifestyle went to. We are always so fast to flame and burn others who  do not fit into our lifestyle mold. tisk tisk

shame shame

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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

It sounds like a rather yummy mind game to me....but just a game.  A lovely fantasy all the same.  Lots of doctors and lawyers and years to come true??  Play along and enjoy. 

Do not sign over any cash or property (if you have any) accumulated prior to your marriage to your new Master.  Ask for them to be held on trust for you (by a lawyer acting for you) until such time as you are released from your "slavery" or you or your master die.

Canadian law will govern your entitlement to the assets accumulated by you and your master as a couple after the marriage.  You should be entitled to about half and more if master blesses you with children

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer in Canada and you should seek independent legal advice


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 6:36:46 AM   
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You are welcome, slavequery.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 6:44:13 AM   
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Wow OK....... this is all surprising to me that it could be legal.   I question how this could be allowed in so called 'Western Society' unless Canada has some type of 'Home Guardian type Health provisions' (which would be against W.H.O. Human Rights standards I think)  My belief is that in Australia a person would have to be certified legally insane for any possibility of this being able to occur however I still believe it would still be deemed 'unlawful imprisonment' and the imprisoner/perpertator being held liable still for negating the W.H.O. rights of the individual.   (Our current predicament with the U.S. Govt concerning an Australian Michael Hicks held for Terrorist activity comes to mind here too)

My best advice is to get off your bum/fanny pronto and get to a lawyer conversant in Human Rights to satisfy your concerns.

Warm regards (I do understand your submission aspects here)   Driver.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 6:46:08 AM   
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yes, He did say there will be a couple doctors and a couple lawyers involved in the process. That the process will take months if not years to complete.


........

In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.




Come on, its  a great mind f*ck!.  Your master clearly has you completely conviced he can have you certified.  This isn't flaming; its admiration for a very cute and complicated idea.

Glad to hear the assets are socked away all the same. 


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 6:51:27 AM   
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YES {i must agree wholeheartedly here with this point}. THIS IS NOT FOR THE NEW TO LIFESTYLE

Please understand, i am not new to the lifestyle. i am only new to this deep of lifestyle.

Too, please know and understand i am not entering into this with eyes closed. i am actively seeking info APART from Master. i wish to have info not tainted by His desires. i am not saying i do not trust Him, far from it. But i am not stupid either. Which is why i seek info from as many 3rd party sides as possible. i just got off the phone with a kink aware lawyer who has stipulated She will be representing me through this process. She informed me she knows the two doctors ( She says are kink aware also) personally. She will be meeting with me tomorrow in a face to face fact find. This will be interesting. And to those who need to know, yes i did first ask permission to contact a 3rd party lawyer prior to calling Her.


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Don't get too starstruck because there is a lot of red flags in this post which I am sure the more experienced then me will point out in the near future.


I would have to agree here.  So many that are new and haven't been involved in real life, or haven't had much experience will see this post and think this is the way it has to be, or that she is much more of a devoted slave than them because of her doing this.  That is a concern of mine.

What she is doing, is fine, there isn't anything wrong with it, if you are totally informed and have thought things out with the one you are with.  If you haven't (and sometimes if you have) it can be a very dangerous thing and you could be playing with fire. 

If this is what you want, that is great, I am happy for you.  I just don't want someone new to this to get this fairytale thing in their head about it and go and do something they will regret.  Real life slavery is not like a book, and should (more-so doing what she is) never be done until one is fully ready and prepared.

There are a lot of slaves (and subs before someone comes along and smacks me) that are every bit as devoted to their Master, yet haven't done anything of this magnitude.

All I am saying is, don't put rose colored glasses on and allow your romantic feelings of being totally owned by someone (legally as much as possible) to cloud your judgement as someone who has their whole life ahead of them and may someday not want that person to have all of that life in their hands.


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:00:35 AM   
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He dips His lid to Slavequery.

I realize this subject is very emotional but I don't see how anyone has been unkind to you.   They are putting forward their views constructively and in a 'discussion' manner which is completely different to the way some see the forums as Debates.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:00:52 AM   
slavequery


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very quickly pulling a disappearing act it would seem!!!!!!!!!!!!

my red hair is starting to flame now


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i wonder where the kindness of the lifestyle went to. We are always so fast to flame and burn others who  do not fit into our lifestyle mold. tisk tisk

shame shame





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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavequery

yes, He did say there will be a couple doctors and a couple lawyers involved in the process. That the process will take months if not years to complete.


........

In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.




Come on, its  a great mind f*ck!.  Your master clearly has you completely conviced he can have you certified.  This isn't flaming; its admiration for a very cute and complicated idea.

Glad to hear the assets are socked away all the same. 


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:02:48 AM   
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true, nay but for one


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He dips His lid to Slavequery.

I realize this subject is very emotional but I don't see how anyone has been unkind to you.   They are putting forward their views constructively and in a 'discussion' manner which is completely different to the way some see the forums as Debates.

Regards Driver


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:04:59 AM   
slavequery


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i thank You dear Sir for this info. It shall be discussed this evening

Once again, thank You for the constructive info


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Wow OK....... this is all surprising to me that it could be legal.   I question how this could be allowed in so called 'Western Society' unless Canada has some type of 'Home Guardian type Health provisions' (which would be against W.H.O. Human Rights standards I think)  My belief is that in Australia a person would have to be certified legally insane for any possibility of this being able to occur however I still believe it would still be deemed 'unlawful imprisonment' and the imprisoner/perpertator being held liable still for negating the W.H.O. rights of the individual.   (Our current predicament with the U.S. Govt concerning an Australian Michael Hicks held for Terrorist activity comes to mind here too)

My best advice is to get off your bum/fanny pronto and get to a lawyer conversant in Human Rights to satisfy your concerns.

Warm regards (I do understand your submission aspects here)   Driver.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:13:32 AM   
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Power of Attorney

Adult Guardianship (in BC, but you can google for whatever Province/Territory you're in)

I'm not so much against this if it's what you want, but I'm a little surprised that you couldn't find any information.  It took only seconds to find pages and pages worth of information on Power of Attorney and Guardianship.  Because you aren't (as far as we know) mentally incapacitated, you would be involved in the meetings with the lawyer and s/he would be fully explaining what is involved, your legal rights, how to terminate, etc., as well as with various doctors.

Oh, and this:
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In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.


...isn't the way it works.

As I said, if it's what you want, s'all good, but having dealt with a number of people with the control of Power of Attorney or Guardianship, I've never come across any that have wanted to cut their ward off from outside communication.  It raises flags for me, simply because it isn't healthy emotionally to isolate an individual.

Good luck.

Edited to add: I'm sure you've already thought of this, but it's probably best to have a really good, solid reason to give people (lawyers, doctors) for your wanting to do this already lined up.  I'm guessing, "Well, she's my slave and I want total control of her!" might land Him (and you) under the law enforcement microscope.  Heh.


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:19:23 AM   
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i did google and find pages of info. As i have said a few times now, i am seeking as much info from as many sources as possible APART from my Master.

At this point, this is just a fact find mission.

But thank you for your post none the same.

As for the "controlling my outside contacts", i fully well know why He wishes to do this, and to some degree i must agree with His point. i am a very strong willed individual and i do need some taming. i never said He was cutting me off for ever, nor did i say He was cutting me off completely. What i did say was He was going to "control" my outside contact.

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ORIGINAL: valeca

Power of Attorney

Adult Guardianship (in BC, but you can google for whatever Province/Territory you're in)

I'm not so much against this if it's what you want, but I'm a little surprised that you couldn't find any information.  It took only seconds to find pages and pages worth of information on Power of Attorney and Guardianship.  Because you aren't (as far as we know) mentally incapacitated, you would be involved in the meetings with the lawyer and s/he would be fully explaining what is involved, your legal rights, how to terminate, etc., as well as with various doctors.

Oh, and this:
quote:

In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.


...isn't the way it works.

As I said, if it's what you want, s'all good, but having dealt with a number of people with the control of Power of Attorney or Guardianship, I've never come across any that have wanted to cut their ward off from outside communication.  It raises flags for me, simply because it isn't healthy emotionally.

Good luck.





i took a read in the sites you offered. Both were sites iv been to several times re reading trying to digest all of what is being said.

thank you for your post

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:44:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavequery

i am well known on these boards. So as to maintain my anonymity, i chose to open this account.
this is a very serious topic, and the query is very real for me.

As background info to help with any future comments, i offer the following: Master and i met here on the CM forum. He and i struck up a conversation that lasted almost that first entire day. We both got a few ZZZs and came back on line and talked with each other again for hours. After a week of conversing like this, we moved to the phone system as a way of communicating. After a couple months of both online and phone discussions, we met face to face. That was well over a year ago. He moved me to Him. He officially collared me. i could not be any happier. He has now chosen to take wedding vows. ok, im cool with that. He put a tattoo and a brand on me. They are beautiful.

Here comes the query. He wants to move into total control over me. i have no problem with this as it was something i have always wanted. He and i discussed long long ago His desires to do this and i consented willingly to this.

.......to give him control over my mind soul body spirit. i have always longed for this, so i have no trouble with this.

He has always been very open with me prior to embarking on any change He makes with me. i love this about Him.

Last night, He informed me He will be starting a form of brainwashing where any contact i will have with the outside world will be solely at His discretion. ok. That He is having papers drawn up with a lawyer that gives Him power of attorney over me. ok, still no problem here. He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final.

In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.

Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me.

my time on the computer will be cut off in a few days....remember, Master will gain control over every aspect of outside contact i will have. So please hurry with your responses and info.

For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude.


I bit my tongue and counted to 10.  It worked so I will not express all the doubts and misgivings I have about this situation...
That said...as someone else noted...unless he can take you into court and prove that you are mentally deficient in some way, he is not going to be able to get this done.  For one thing, Canadian law...as near as I can determine...states, like U.S. law does, that it cannot be done solely on the say-so of his doctors and lawyers.  There must be at least one doctor and one lawyer either picked by you or, if you will not or have not picked any, appointed for you by the court to act as guardians of a sort. 
I cannot honestly think of any ethical reason that would allow a doctor to consent to this...nor a lawyer...as long as your mental health is judged to be good.  If your mental health is good enough to weigh the facts of the matter and willingly make the decision to turn control over your mental health to another, it would seem that the legal and medical ethics clause of their respective professions would preclude them from saying that your mental health is bad enough that you need to be under the legal control of another. 
I am American and don't understand all our laws as written.  Canadian laws are just that much more difficult, given the nature of the Canadian legal system to protect people from their own choices...no matter how foolish they may be (referring to drug use and gun use....not you...so please do not take the use of the term "foolish" to mean you).  It is that "nanny-ist" nature of Canadian law...which usually I hate...which may prevent your Master from being able to do this legally.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:53:14 AM   
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Hi,

I don't have any issue with this but I do wonder what type of info you are looking for? It seems this is more of a shock the natives thread than anything else.

It sounds like he is going to have you found incompetent and become your guardian with your help and approval. You are not the first person to have done this. I have heard of a few Owner/property dynamics where these types of guardianships are in place.

I don't have any issue with the isolation, it raises no red flags for me, as isolation can play an important part in tearing down a current belief systems and rebuilding new ones..it is what cults do...nothing nefarious..simple psychology.

I just don't know what kind of facts you hope to find on CM, it would seem a law library would be your best bet.


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 7:55:34 AM   
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thank You Sir,

what You stated is pretty much what i have read thus far.

i will never claim to understand the law. It always reads like a sad Greek tragedy to me lol. This is why i am rushing to as many points of info as possible. i know there has to be calmer heads amongst the CM masses who possess the power to get past the emotion "of it all" and get to the stipulation of fact apart from emotion.

thank You Sir , i truly thank You.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:02:03 AM   
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thank you

It is just this type of info i desire. That it has been done before. Do you know if the slaves were kept safe? How did they fare?

As for other info, i guess what i seek is for what i currently am having a difficult time understanding. i do have an appointment with a lawyer, so i will have a lot of my questions answered then. i am hungry for knowledge from ANYWHERE at this point.

Could you kindly go into depth, if you have such info, on the few M/s relationships you are aware of?

thank you


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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Hi,

I don't have any issue with this but I do wonder what type of info you are looking for? It seems this is more of a shock the natives thread than anything else.

It sounds like he is going to have you found incompetent and become your guardian with your help and approval. You are not the first person to have done this. I have heard of a few Owner/property dynamics where these types of guardianships are in place.

I don't have any issue with the isolation, it raises no red flags for me, as isolation can play an important part in tearing down a current belief systems and rebuilding new ones..it is what cults do...nothing nefarious..simple psychology.

I just don't know what kind of facts you hope to find on CM, it would seem a law library would be your best bet.


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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:05:42 AM   
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Last night, He informed me He will be starting a form of brainwashing where any contact i will have with the outside world will be solely at His discretion. ok. That He is having papers drawn up with a lawyer that gives Him power of attorney over me. ok, still no problem here. He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final.

Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me.

For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude.


So, what is it, exactly, that you are looking for from this post?  You seem to have already made up your mind to do this.  It sounds like there might be a little voice somewhere inside you saying, "help, i'm a little bit scared".  If that's the case, then you need to have a very serious and frank discussion with your Master about these misgivings or, if the misgivings you are having are about your Master, then you need to have a serious discussion about this with someone else you trust. 

The fact of the matter is that "Guardianship" of an adult is a very serious matter that is dealt with in probate court (in the U.S., at least) and the court is the one that appoints the guardian and oversees the actions of the guardian.  Power of Attorney, on the other hand, whether it is "Durable" or "Nondurable", is a legal document that is between you and the person you are granting PoA to and doesn't require a lawyer or any filing of papers in court, merely your two signatures and the signatures of witnesses, including a notary public.  You can revoke the PoA anytime you want.  So, it is really not any more "enforceable" than the verbal agreement that you have together, unless you become incapacitated and unable to speak for yourself.  A general PoA doesn't cover medical treatment.  For that, you will need a separate Medical Power of Attorney.  The PoA is effective indefinitely, unless you specify a date for it to be terminated or until you revoke it.

These are serious matters and you need to feel very comfortable and confident with this decision before you get yourself into something that you hadn't planned for.  I just wonder why all these very extreme changes are being brought up by your Master now, after all of this time that you two have been together without talk of them previously.  It seems like this is something that the two of you would have talked about long before you moved in with him, even if it was just talking in the "hypothetical" sense.

Good luck to you.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:14:26 AM   
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I agree with Valeca and will say if your master wants to inform you of what he's doing and why he's doing it- why wouldn't he have you there at each step of the way and let you read over the paperwork?  If anything, it would make it more real and intense that this is "really what's happening to me" to see the paperwork tangibly from your own eyes.

I also am fine with everything he proposes, though I'm really not sure how valid he would be able to attain total guardianship over a competent adult.  But if it can be done without wasting too many other people's time and energy, then enjoy.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:26:41 AM   
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i am going to be present every step of the way, i never said i wasnt.

i just love when jumps to conclusions are made, they make for continued interesting conversations.

thank you Lucky A, as i too, from what little i have read and actually understood as far as the law goes, am wondering just how He is going to pull this off.

at this point, inquiring minds wish to know, so my quest for info continues.....


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I agree with Valeca and will say if your master wants to inform you of what he's doing and why he's doing it- why wouldn't he have you there at each step of the way and let you read over the paperwork?  If anything, it would make it more real and intense that this is "really what's happening to me" to see the paperwork tangibly from your own eyes.

I also am fine with everything he proposes, though I'm really not sure how valid he would be able to attain total guardianship over a competent adult.  But if it can be done without wasting too many other people's time and energy, then enjoy.




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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:39:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavequery

thank you

It is just this type of info i desire. That it has been done before. Do you know if the slaves were kept safe? How did they fare?

As for other info, i guess what i seek is for what i currently am having a difficult time understanding. i do have an appointment with a lawyer, so i will have a lot of my questions answered then. i am hungry for knowledge from ANYWHERE at this point.

Could you kindly go into depth, if you have such info, on the few M/s relationships you are aware of?

thank you


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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Hi,

I don't have any issue with this but I do wonder what type of info you are looking for? It seems this is more of a shock the natives thread than anything else.

It sounds like he is going to have you found incompetent and become your guardian with your help and approval. You are not the first person to have done this. I have heard of a few Owner/property dynamics where these types of guardianships are in place.

I don't have any issue with the isolation, it raises no red flags for me, as isolation can play an important part in tearing down a current belief systems and rebuilding new ones..it is what cults do...nothing nefarious..simple psychology.

I just don't know what kind of facts you hope to find on CM, it would seem a law library would be your best bet.




BeingChewsie is correct....this sort of situation is not exactly unheard of in M/s unions. my Master is also my legal guardian, and he has full legal and medical control over my affairs. there are a couple of ways to do this, at least here in the US, one of which is being declared mentally unstable and incompetent. this was the route he took, which was quite easy given my history of major depression/in-patient psych care. i am not familiar with Canadian laws nor your medical history, so i cannot say how it will be in your particular case.

more pressing to me would be why do you feel the need to know these things in the first place? it seems to me that any information your Master found appropriate for you to know, he would have shared with you, or will share with you at the proper time. this is not a flame, but a bunch of strangers on CM is the last place to turn with the sort of questions you have.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:46:29 AM   
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Hi prop,

You were one of the people I was thinkng of, but wasn't sure if you publically discussed that he was also your legal guardian. I agree these discussions are best had with her owner as none of us could know the way he which he plans to get guardianship nor do we know how her past history could play into it.


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

BeingChewsie is correct....this sort of situation is not exactly unheard of in M/s unions. my Master is also my legal guardian, and he has full legal and medical control over my affairs. there are a couple of ways to do this, at least here in the US, one of which is being declared mentally unstable and incompetent. this was the route he took, which was quite easy given my history of major depression/in-patient psych care. i am not familiar with Canadian laws nor your medical history, so i cannot say how it will be in your particular case.

more pressing to me would be why do you feel the need to know these things in the first place? it seems to me that any information your Master found appropriate for you to know, he would have shared with you, or will share with you at the proper time. this is not a flame, but a bunch of strangers on CM is the last place to turn with the sort of questions you have.


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