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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:54:42 AM

Celeste43

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You're 44, that means your parents are elderly. Lets say you inherit a significant chunk of money in a few years. Then he decides he doesn't want you anymore now that he's rich. You're out on the street penniless if this can go through.

The fact that he won't tell you why he suddenly wants this and will not set in place any protections for you, nor explain what his plans are brings up a huge red flag.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 8:54:56 AM

slavequery

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Master has given me carte blanche to look up what ever where ever i wish up to the day He takes me to meet His lawyer. i do understand that after that point my hands are tied as far as searching for info on my own. Master have me His blessings over the avenue of computer searches. i did separately call Him at work and specifically ask permission to call a lawyer this morning, to which He gave a resounding yes. Both of us hold post grad degrees, so it is well within the norm of expectations that i should want to seek out info.

i went to CM because i just knew someone would know of someone who has been through something similar to what i described in short. i am not in fear of the future. my scientifically based mind naturally reacts to situations with a desire to have questions answered. my inpatient temperament leads me to a fervent demand for info where ever i think there is info to be had.

as far as my history, the only thing i can think of as meat that Master could use would be my rather vanilla divorce years ago. i let my red hair get the better of me.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:00:15 AM

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i just love when jumps to conclusions are made, they make for continued interesting conversations.

This is only one of your smart assed comments when someone has offered comments that you originally asked for. To make it clear, you didn't specifically ask for LEGAL information in your original post. You have been offered much information and advice in the forms of personal opinion as well as experience. Gleen from the good and leave the rest behind

This is obviously a fact finding mission for you and others. People are asking questions and commenting and this is drawing more information out of you. You didn't include every piece of information in your original post and I am sure there is more that we don't know. We aren't in your situation or your head, we can only go on what you have told us. When you add more information then we as posters have more information to go on. It would be in your best interest not to continue to insult everyone that offers you an opinion that you don't like or agree with. Otherwise you may end up not getting anything.

Call it a flame if you desire, I call it Food for thought.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:07:10 AM

slavequery

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you bring up a valid point, one that has been addressed in other legal papers, but valid enough to bring the point home. To ensure all past present and future incomes go to my children, legal papers made my adult children's trusts unbreakable. i discussed this with the lawyer this morning, to which She assured me there are legal remedies to ensure continued legal stability of what now are my children's assets.

another constructive point i will bring up with my Master this evening, i do thank you

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

You're 44, that means your parents are elderly. Lets say you inherit a significant chunk of money in a few years. Then he decides he doesn't want you anymore now that he's rich. You're out on the street penniless if this can go through.

The fact that he won't tell you why he suddenly wants this and will not set in place any protections for you, nor explain what his plans are brings up a huge red flag.

another jump here...

Master never refused to explain anything. This was not a bomb He dropped on me. In the back of my mind i knew this day would eventually come, just to what form i did not know. i do now. as it has only been a few hours for my mind to soak up the evenings conversation, it is not shocking for me to hunger for any info i could possible find. Master has been open with any and all info. He always discusses with me prior to making any changes in me...as i said in a prior post....i love this about Him.

Soooo now this day has arrived. all i am asking ??? info

Is this too difficult to understand?

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:09:35 AM

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The kind of "papers" you are describing would not be legal here in the U.S. No one can willingly become a true complete slave to another.

But you are asking for legal advice about the laws of Canada. You are not going to find your answers here. I personally think your Master is not being honest with you, as I cannot imagine legal slavery would be allowed in Canada any more than the U.S.

If you really want an answer, you need to get off of this forum, and consult an attorney on your own.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:20:33 AM

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I've talked to your master and he plans on removing you to an island where you will be isolated from the majority of humanity...It is true that he will need the services of some doctors and he intends to do some "brain washing" and you will be required to know only the following things:

Not to go on All-Fours; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to suck up Drink; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to eat Fish or Flesh; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to claw the Bark of Trees; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to chase other Men; that is the Law. Are we not men

You Seem like an exceptionally intelligent woman and I am sure things are going to work out swimmingly for you.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:27:04 AM

slavequery

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no, i did not specifically ask for legal advice because i know to do so would put anyone who offered any advice in a rather sticky legal predicament. i did not wish to do this. i simply asked for info....any info, and as you so aptly put it, personal experiences.

i do not have a purpose to insult, only to merely point out facts. when a jump has been made, or something has been taken out of context, i am well within my right to attempt to make a correction. period.

i have been on these boards long enough to well know the risk of flaming. You can not deny this fact. i have not included every detail of this eventuality. i have never been verbose. i have been awake since yesterday morning. i am sure you could agree, considering the emotionally charged night my brain has had, together with the lack of sleep, that my cognitive skills will not be acutely sharp as yours right now.

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ORIGINAL: BBBTBW

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ORIGINAL: slavequery

i just love when jumps to conclusions are made, they make for continued interesting conversations.

This is only one of your smart assed comments when someone has offered comments that you originally asked for. To make it clear, you didn't specifically ask for LEGAL information in your original post. You have been offered much information and advice in the forms of personal opinion as well as experience. Gleen from the good and leave the rest behind

This is obviously a fact finding mission for you and others. People are asking questions and commenting and this is drawing more information out of you. You didn't include every piece of information in your original post and I am sure there is more that we don't know. We aren't in your situation or your head, we can only go on what you have told us. When you add more information then we as posters have more information to go on. It would be in your best interest not to continue to insult everyone that offers you an opinion that you don't like or agree with. Otherwise you may end up not getting anything.

Call it a flame if you desire, I call it Food for thought.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:28:46 AM

slavequery

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sad there are men like you who have to attack others when their choice doesnt fit your mold.

shame shame shame

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I've talked to your master and he plans on removing you to an island where you will be isolated from the majority of humanity...It is true that he will need the services of some doctors and he intends to do some "brain washing" and you will be required to know only the following things:

Not to go on All-Fours; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to suck up Drink; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to eat Fish or Flesh; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to claw the Bark of Trees; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to chase other Men; that is the Law. Are we not men

You Seem like an exceptionally intelligent woman and I am sure things are going to work out swimmingly for you.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:32:44 AM

slavequery

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thank You Sir,

i have had a nice talk with a kink aware lawyer this morning and will have an in depth face to face with Her in the morn.

again thank You

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

The kind of "papers" you are describing would not be legal here in the U.S. No one can willingly become a true complete slave to another.

But you are asking for legal advice about the laws of Canada. You are not going to find your answers here. I personally think your Master is not being honest with you, as I cannot imagine legal slavery would be allowed in Canada any more than the U.S.

If you really want an answer, you need to get off of this forum, and consult an attorney on your own.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 9:48:09 AM

BeingChewsie

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She isn't talking about legal slavery but about "legal guadianship" of someone which does occur in the US. In this case it would her owner seeking legal gardianship of her. I agree she needs to speak to her owner and possibly sit down with him and his attorney to learn how the process works.

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

The kind of "papers" you are describing would not be legal here in the U.S. No one can willingly become a true complete slave to another.

But you are asking for legal advice about the laws of Canada. You are not going to find your answers here. I personally think your Master is not being honest with you, as I cannot imagine legal slavery would be allowed in Canada any more than the U.S.

If you really want an answer, you need to get off of this forum, and consult an attorney on your own.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

< Message edited by BeingChewsie -- 3/16/2007 9:49:19 AM >

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:08:07 AM

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I believe this is another rediculous CM thread, a legal gaurdian has to petition the court and prove why the person needs a "gaurdian" If you are not of sound mind or are unable to take care of yourself (spend thrift) etc.. Any papers drawn up could easily be reversed by you at anytime in the future if you can prove that you are able to take care of yourself......Hardly binding...Rediculous!...Also there are attorney fees(up to $2,000) in preparing the document as well as court costs....It's not that I don't believe you....

I still like the idea that you will be whisked off to some island where horrific experiments will be performed stripping you of what little common sense and humantiy that might remain.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:16:30 AM

slavequery

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I believe this is another rediculous CM thread, a legal gaurdian has to petition the court and prove why the person needs a "gaurdian" If you are not of sound mind or are unable to take care of yourself (spend thrift) etc.. Any papers drawn up could easily be reversed by you at anytime in the future if you can prove that you are able to take care of yourself......Hardly binding...Rediculous!...Also there are attorney fees(up to $2,000) in preparing the document as well as court costs....It's not that I don't believe you....

I still like the idea that you will be whisked off to some island where horrific experiments will be performed stripping you of what little common sense and humantiy that might remain.

well well well

another flame

sad sad sad

funny thing is? your laughable It is true it could cost as much as you claim, but we have friends. you know what those are dont you?

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:23:15 AM

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i have but one question for you .... i sense a red flag in all your postings that comes from your words .... you have a touch of fear in the tone of your posts and i wonder what that fear could be .... setting this aside i an see what your concerns are/may be and that you do have them sorted out for yourself .... except maybe (and this is where the red flag comes in) you could be afraid of who you will be when He and the professionals are done with you ? and are already grieving the loss of self ?? .... i would be adamant about having an "out" clause in all of this no matter what ... even if you never need or use it ... there should be one .....

i wish you much luck in this .... in today's modern age it is unfathomable to see one give themselves up in the manner you have before you .... i am reminded greatly of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but after having reviewed them it states no one shall be held in slavery and you would not be held in this sense as you would be freely giving yourself over to this situation .... there is such a fine line here, absolutely, you will be giving up these rights as well so my opinion for you to have an "out" is of both personal and legal ...

this will be interesting to see where this ends up but it may not be so since your right to contact us would end ....

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:33:52 AM

slavequery

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You are the first person who hit the nail on the head. Yes, i do have qualms about what i will be like after Masters "artwork" is complete.i cant think of a person who would not have. But i love Him and trust Him. We discussed these qualms for some length of time last night.

As to the "out", yes, Master discussed having provisions made should He pass on, should a divorce be filed, etc.

thank You Maam for Your kindness. i will bring this up with Master again tonight to validate my understanding.

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ORIGINAL: xxxWENCHxxx

i have but one question for you .... i sense a red flag in all your postings that comes from your words .... you have a touch of fear in the tone of your posts and i wonder what that fear could be .... setting this aside i an see what your concerns are/may be and that you do have them sorted out for yourself .... except maybe (and this is where the red flag comes in) you could be afraid of who you will be when He and the professionals are done with you ? and are already grieving the loss of self ?? .... i would be adamant about having an "out" clause in all of this no matter what ... even if you never need or use it ... there should be one .....

i wish you much luck in this .... in today's modern age it is unfathomable to see one give themselves up in the manner you have before you .... i am reminded greatly of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but after having reviewed them it states no one shall be held in slavery and you would not be held in this sense as you would be freely giving yourself over to this situation .... there is such a fine line here, absolutely, you will be giving up these rights as well so my opinion for you to have an "out" is of both personal and legal ...

this will be interesting to see where this ends up but it may not be so since your right to contact us would end ....

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:34:15 AM

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Actually my post is not a flame but based on reality...What good is anything if it has no meaning?....Any type of "gaurdianship" whether written up in court or signed in private is meaningless....So it is not a flame...It strikes me (if real) to be a complete waste of effort as well as funds to establish something that has no actual meaning or power.....Sabe?

Like I said I think it would be much more interesting if Dr Moreau were to perform some cool manipulations to your dna, things that wouldn't be so easily reconfigured if/when on a whim you choose to change your mind...get my drift "lemurwoman."

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:36:51 AM

slavequery

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ill leave you to your daydreams then.

i have more important things to attend to

good day

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:43:35 AM

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Fine. Althought there is sarcasm, there is also truth...Either way it seems you don't like the answers given....It seems you wanted people to get excited about you signing over your life....Any power you give to your Dom is originated between your ears....Nowhere else is that power recognized or honored or upheld....Move on now.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:49:02 AM

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If you are here making this post then you know in your heart something is not right! No, I am not flaming you. Just pointing yourself out to yourself. I'm just holding up the mirror for you!

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 10:52:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: slavequery

Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me.

I could have swallowed this pill up until right here.

If you are giving this much control and legal authority to one person, but have absolutely no idea what his intent or plans are...that comes off as a little more than just "fucked up" to me.

Typically, responsible adults become informed BEFORE making the decisions, not atter.

Rather than ask us for hypotheticals about what he is planning, I would seriously suggest having a long adult talk with him before going threw with any of this.

my dear Sir.

He and i have had a rather lengthy discussion. Both of us have not slept yet, He went to work.

Essentially, what He is doing is in short form a type of mental hold on me. What i want from any of you is what the laws of Canada are. He and i will be setting down with His lawyer in a few days and all will be revealed. i am eager to learn prior to that meeting.

i thank You for not flaming either of us.

You need to contact your own lawyer then and someone representing you before you sign anything.

To do less than this is to not take your future committment to him very seriously and it does not take your committment to yourself very seriously in my opinion.

Anyone who would not encourage you to get this advice before signing anything with him is someone I would consider untrustworthy or insecure. Those are not traits I associate with a good dominant.

Fox and I started talking about legal matters last weekend, I have a very slow and purposeful approach to anything I do when training or owning someone. One thing I told him was that if we decided to look into this he should get his own legal consul to help him understand everything. He could choose not to do this but I know that I have taken steps to protect my most precious property.

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RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent - 3/16/2007 11:01:22 AM

slavequery

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Fine. Althought there is sarcasm, there is also truth...Either way it seems you don't like the answers given....It seems you wanted people to get excited about you signing over your life....Any power you give to your Dom is originated between your ears....Nowhere else is that power recognized or honored or upheld....Move on now.

what i disagree with you is your seemingly coarse disregard for another's choice in lifestyle and your demeaning verbal descriptions of such. i think it is rude and counter productive.

you have to right to think and feel and believe as you choose. i wish you happiness. just please dont rip others lifestyles apart. you only have the right to tear your own lifestyle apart.

there is a huge difference between negative productive comments and negative counterproductive comments....think about this next time you think your handing out a helping hand.

and what is most shocking of all......you are so threatened by my truth, you have to resort to name calling . How mature of you. sad sad sad

shame shame shame

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