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MstRwc -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 5:14:34 PM)

i forgot to say that we spend alot of time apart




DomNeo -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 5:23:12 PM)

I thank you for your opinion and help MstRwc.




liltxsubby -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 6:41:01 PM)

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Thank you for your input liltxsubby but did you read the whole thread or just the first post?


I read the entire thread, not just the first post. I would not have known about he rice suggestion otherwise. Sorry if I expanded too much information and you only wanted punishment ideas and not insight on why this has happened, I thought having another sub's perspective might help you prevent this in the future.




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 7:03:31 PM)

I had a Dom a lon long time ago. It got tot he point he never had timef or me. When he did he ignored me because he didn't feel like dealing with how out of hand I got. I do not think ignoreing her is a good idea, It might be really effective to her but to me I would feel like how can I trust someone who ignores me when the shit gets deep.


Being ignored only made me more needier for him than before. And it didn't in anyway address or deal with the problem that was the start.




lesliee -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 8:54:59 PM)

I have to say this whole thread disturbs me somewhat. :-(

First of all, if she is not doing her journalling than something is wrong. There is always a reason behind forgetting to do something especially for two weeks. I can understand a day maybe two but not 14!!!

The route of the problem sounds like it may be the fact that you have not been holding up your end of the bargain. Her communication with you is down a great deal due to your working hours and she is having a hard time dealing with that. It seems that she is crying out for not only your communication but also for you keeping consistant rules/orders. A sub/slave needs consistancy with these things.

So basically, I do NOT think that punishment is a good idea at this point. I think a serious deep discussion in getting to the route of the problem is the MOST important thing right now. Punishment can wait until later after you and she have discussed what is going on. If consistancy is the problem than YOU need to do something about that.

Thats my opinion

Always,
lesliee




AAkasha -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 9:00:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lesliee

I have to say this whole thread disturbs me somewhat. :-(

First of all, if she is not doing her journalling than something is wrong. There is always a reason behind forgetting to do something especially for two weeks. I can understand a day maybe two but not 14!!!

The route of the problem sounds like it may be the fact that you have not been holding up your end of the bargain. Her communication with you is down a great deal due to your working hours and she is having a hard time dealing with that. It seems that she is crying out for not only your communication but also for you keeping consistant rules/orders. A sub/slave needs consistancy with these things.

So basically, I do NOT think that punishment is a good idea at this point. I think a serious deep discussion in getting to the route of the problem is the MOST important thing right now. Punishment can wait until later after you and she have discussed what is going on. If consistancy is the problem than YOU need to do something about that.

Thats my opinion

Always,
lesliee


Unfortunately posters have been pointing this out to him, that perhaps there is a problem with the *relationship* (and his fault) but he all he wants are punishment ideas. This is the disturbing part, because his insistence that all is fine and then asking again for more punishment ideas I think clarifies it -- he's not looking for a relationship, he's looking for a toy.

He does not seem that concerned about the warning bells people keep pointing out. It just irritates him because no one is coming up with "punishment" ideas. Talking, apparently, and addressing the real issues and correcting the communication gap is not a priority to this master.

Akasha




DomNeo -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 9:07:47 PM)

It should start getting better due to spring break up dragging on which is bad for my company. We would stay in contact pretty much every day. not alot though. only about half an hour of chatting on MSN Messenger but not much other then that. As i've said before the ideas can wait til another time. It is nice to have more ideas of punishment so the old ones don't stop working.




siamsa24 -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 9:11:25 PM)

I think you missed the point of those posts.
There are issues with the relationship, punishment is not going to solve those issues.
It goes deeper then that, but that's the idea in a nut-shell




Guest -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 9:12:39 PM)

Ok, we can turn the temperature down here.

DomNeo - post a situation to a public forum, expect public comments. You don't have to agree with what is being said.

Everyone Else - There is more to the OP's relationship than in the initial post. It may or may not be the situation you imagined it to be. If you have posted your views once, you don't need to repeat yourself.




DomNeo -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 9:16:46 PM)

I never did ask for opinions ModeratorEight. I just asked for ideas.




GentleLady -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/6/2005 10:15:46 PM)

DomNeo

Punishments are usually chosen to prevent further incorrect behaviour (as evaluated by the Dominant and agreed to by the submissive). The choice of punishment has to be specific to the situation, the problem, and the individual in order to be effective. You are the only one who can determine what punishment is merited because you know the situation. All we have to go on is the small bits of information you have given us in the posts. We cannot really recommend a good punishment without knowing a lot more about the situation.

As a Dominant, you must also decide if the behaviour does indeed warrant some form of punishment. In order to establish this you need to discuss what happened and why it happened with your submissive. You should also take into account whether or not your submissive knew that the behaviour was punishable. I know that in one of your posts you did say that you had given her an order to write in the journal, but was there a blanket punishment for disobeying any order at any time for any reason?

Just some thoughts that were rattling around.


The following quotes may help explain why we seem to be confused.

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it was a real life thing for 6 months so far and only online for about 2 months (post 28)

i was there with her for 10 days and then had to come back home to go back to work (post 37)

like i said it is only for 47 more days about. then she is totally mine and we'll be living alone together. (post 26)


Okay....so My question is: You were living with her for six months and then had to go back home and return to work. That was 2 weeks ago. You only need to be working at that place for another month and a half and then you can move back with her and stay permanently? The problem then is your post that you were only with her for ten days. Does that mean your work keeps you gone for long periods of time on a regular basis?

I am not trying to be picky here. I am honestly only trying to understand and I have an overly-analytical mind.

Gentle Lady






MsSilvie -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:01:43 AM)

DomNeo, If I may comment, you are getting ideas from people. A punishment is supposed to make a reoccurrence of the behavior less likely to happen. If your sub is behaving badly in order to make you pay more attention to her, almost any "punishment" you deal out will make it more likely that she will repeat the behavior. That's counterproductive.

You've given varying reasons for her behavior, she forgot, she feels bad, she's lonely. You also talk about needing punishment ideas, so the old ones don't stop working. If you are not consistent with your expectations and punishment, no matter what techniques you use, trust me, it's going to stop working. Anyone on the net can look up ideas of how to cause someone discomfort. How and when to use them appropriately is a whole different level of understanding.

In this situation, what I would do is make her catch up on what ever journaling she is behind on. Get 2 weeks worth out of her ASAP. Then, for punishment, have her write a essay on her responsibilities and why it is important for her to do what is expected. The reason is twofold. One, you dodge me on a certain activity (i.e. writing), you can bet you are going to find yourself doing it in spades in the near future. Two, I'm not going to pay more attention to you because you act badly, I'll train you that you get more of my attention when you behave well.

And THEN, have her write an essay on what she sees as YOUR responsibilities. And then, discuss the situation with her from there. It's not nearly as sexy as the nipple clips and rice and crying faced subs. It is far more effective, in my opinion.





ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:19:54 AM)

Dom Neo,

There are plenty of ways you can punish her and ideas have been given here but, with all due respect, sometimes punishment isn't suppose to be fun for the dom, i mean, i know my Master doesn't enjoy blocking my contact with him for periods of time because i know that he enjoys spending time with me as much as i do with him but sometimes he has to deprive himself inorder to get me to learn a lesson...and knowing that he is depriving himself of something because of something i have done, and knowing that he is disappointed in me is absolutely, by far, worse than kneeling on rice.

What kind of punishment idea is it that you are looking for, something that includes pain? i'm sure we can all give you more ideas if you elaborate a little more on what type of punishment you wish to give your slave.

Best of luck!





ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:25:07 AM)

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In this situation, what I would do is make her catch up on what ever journaling she is behind on. Get 2 weeks worth out of her ASAP. Then, for punishment, have her write a essay on her responsibilities and why it is important for her to do what is expected. The reason is twofold. One, you dodge me on a certain activity (i.e. writing), you can bet you are going to find yourself doing it in spades in the near future. Two, I'm not going to pay more attention to you because you act badly, I'll train you that you get more of my attention when you behave well.

And THEN, have her write an essay on what she sees as YOUR responsibilities. And then, discuss the situation with her from there. It's not nearly as sexy as the nipple clips and rice and crying faced subs. It is far more effective, in my opinion


oh wow MsSilvie, you sound like my Master!! lol .... i think that's great advice! i hope Dom Neo takes it into serious consideration...like i said in my previous post, punishment isn't always suppose to be "fun" for the Dom, the point is to get your sub/slave to learn her lesson and to remember it so she doesn't allow herself to make the same mistake twice. Consistency is key tho, if you don't follow through then she will not take you seriously...it's that simple.




DomNeo -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 6:12:48 PM)

Why would a slave need to agree with the punishment may i ask? ok here is is the whole situation. We started our M/s relationship about 9 months ago, she lived in ontario for about 2 - 3 months before she moved in with me for about 6 months where we continued our relationship and then she had to move back to ontario to get ready for college and that was about 2 months ago and i went to ontario on march 10th for 11 days about to spend my birthday with her and my friends that live there and then i came home and i understood why she felt seperation anxiety and i felt the same way so for 2 days i gave her a break from the journal entries for 2 days that i forgot i did and then from there she kept procrastinating and got lazy about it til i asked about it and so now something needs to be done and it isn't lack of communication between us. I admit it is partially my fault for not keeping on her about it but i feel i shouldn't have to for such a small task but i guess i do. If this doesn't help any and stop the arguements then i shall just close this thread.

I as her Master and owner have decided it deserves some punishment on each of our parts. We have decussed the situation and why it happened with my slave. she did know there would be punishment if she didn't keep up with it. It was a order to be done daily unless something terrible happens that is more important like someone close to her dies. Blanket punishment? What does that mean? The thing about 47 days is that is the count til i move to thunderbay with her and can put this town behind me finally. Even though it's 46 now. You are not being picky GentleLady. You are one of the only ones keeping a clear calm head about this in my mind.

DomNeo.

P.S. I like your avatar pic GentleLady.




siamsa24 -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:25:47 PM)

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Why would a slave need to agree with the punishment may i ask?


I work with troubled children on a daily basis and I know with them, they have to understand the punishment otherwise it doesn't do any good. Unless the punishments are presented as "you did this, therfore this is happening to you" they feel as though they are being picked on. If they understand the punishment, why it is being given and what they can do to prevent it from given again they are much less likely to repeat the offense.
If she does not feel that she needs to be punished then that is another issue you would have to go over (this does not seem to be the case, but I am just making a point here).

The punishments have to be consistant otherwise it becomes distressful for the person being punished. It would be like being in a situation where you didn't ever know when or why you were going to be punished. It can cause intense distress and even depression.

This is just my opinion based on my experiences.




brightspot -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:31:57 PM)

I agree here with MsSilvie, good sound advice.

I think that you both really need to communicate and address each others needs, wants and desires as they pertain to this relationship and just how serious you both are about the D/s component.

I think the Web Cam idea is a good one since you are not close physically. then you could watch her almost bring herself to orgasm and then get up and write in her journal while you watch, stopping the progress of thobbing horniness.
This would also force you to be there and give her the undivided attention she might periodically need to be reassured.
If it is important...you will both find and make the time.

Being a submissive, when I have visited for lengthy times with my Domina and then return home there is tremendous sub-drop for days, where I am so lonely and missing her that I can bring myself to do much of anything. But instead of punishment from my Domina, I receive listening, love, comfort and reassurance until I am in a good space on my own again to start the long distance TPE once again.
For most there must be a time period to adjust.

I would Not make a big leap such as moving to her in a month and a half, when your present relationship is not tight, trusting, and from what you say a great deal of communication lacking. Take the month and a half instead to build a Solid Foundation to the present condition of your relation to each other.


*Brightspot




perverseangelic -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:41:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: siamsa24

quote:

Why would a slave need to agree with the punishment may i ask?


I work with troubled children on a daily basis and I know with them, they have to understand the punishment otherwise it doesn't do any good.



Seconded.
If my partner hauls off and slaps me accross the face, I'm gonna be confused, hurt and sad. If he sits down and says "I want you to write 'I will not forget to cook dinner because i'm on the net' one hundered times" It's pretty clear what I did and why I'm in trouble for it.

It's hard to maintain a long-distance relationship, especially one with power exchange. i think that the advice given here about writing an essay is -good- and -solid-.

No, it's not sexy or fun for the dominant party, but in addition to punishing the servant it helps the dominant person understand her better. Ask her to write an essay on her role and your role and both of your responsiblities, like MsSilvie said. Yes, you have to take the time to read it, but it will open some avenues of communication.

I've found that even when I'm =not= in trouble, doing things like this are hugely helpful for my partner and myself.

Plus, the punishment fits the crime :)




HayaSierra -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 7:59:16 PM)

Greetings everyone,

There are only a few things to keep in mind with online means of punishment -- they must fit the "crime" and they must be able to be controlled and checked properly -- unless you trust your sub enough that such is not an issue. As such, orgasm denial may not be the best punishment for everything. For one -- you have no way of knowing if she is actually doing what you are telling her to do, second of all, orgasm Denial has nothing to do with the price of tea in china (Her forgetting her journal entries). The punishment and discipline has to follow the lines of what her issue was in the first place -- so by some means any Discipline and punishment you enact for her disobedience has to be in line with Journals and Journal entries. There are a few methods you can employ, and feel free to mix and match with others as you might need:

One: Deny her access of the journal and the right to journal. Perhaps she may only Journal per pen and paper, and must send those entries to you per mail.

Two: Perhaps she must Journal more -- Perhaps having her write essays of particular subjects in her journal in addition to normal entries.

Three: Start her off on a research project involving the improvement techniques for ones' memory -- and have her post all her discoveries on such into her journal, or prepare a report and put that into her journal.

Four: Have her write her daily Devotion or Submissive Rules if you use such at the beginning and end of every journal entry she does post. This is a lot of typing for absolutely no use other than to make her type it.

Five: Snail mail her a copy of a guide to submission and pleasing of a Dominant -- and have her type it up by hand, and post such into her journal. Make sure to make the entries private view only to be visible by you so there is no copyright issues. Avoid online tutorials as they can be copied and pasted. This will give her plenty of work, and involves journaling! If you wish to use an online resource, find one that is not well known -- and print the pages up, then send them to her to type up again. You need to make sure she can't just find it and cut and paste it.

All of these are perfectly checkable, and all of these are tedious, and in my humble opinion more horrible than orgasm Denial.

I'm glad you have had a time to talk things over with her, but if you ever face time issues again, perhaps there are other methods that can help out with that, such as attempting to settle into a routine or set schedule, and more means for communications. We at my household generally use anything from phones (MCI Neighborhood complete saves me lots of headaches with that), to Messenger programs, and even e-mail. My current household is scattered about the united states, and until we can realistically get everyone situated better, we are making do with what we have. But there is a schedule, there are protocols, and there is plenty of checking up on folks. Especially since they actually do have studies, assignments and the like to attend to, most of which have to be checked up on frequently. And when it comes to disciplining and punishments, they know, should they even be 1000 miles away, I can still enforce my rules on them. All of this together makes it very demanding, but having a set schedule and a routine, even as a Dominant will help out a lot, especially as being an efficient Dominant with completely devoted submissives is an actual job -- not a hobby.

Sierra,
Haya of Ka Azdor Estate




DomNeo -> RE: Long distance punishment ideas. (4/7/2005 8:08:16 PM)

We both are dead serious about the D/s relationship and our relationship is tight and trusting. We are not lacking in communication as much as you think either. she understands why she gets punished and after i finish her punishment i ask her why she has been punished and has the right answer.




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