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meatcleaver -> RE: Report on the Anti-War Protest this weekend ... (3/19/2007 10:02:15 AM)
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
What I say about Blair is that he got the Labour part elected, if they return to the ideas of Wedgie Benn and Arthur Scargell they will disappear down the plughole again.
When has either Tony Benn's or Arthur Scargill's views ever got an unvbiased hearing in the press? If you had spoken personally to both of them you would have a completely different view of what they stood for. As for the establishment's and their servant media's efforts at character assassination of Arthur Scargill, they never did apologize to him for all the lies they spread about him. Every lie was rebutted and proved a lie. The people of Chesterfield loved Tony Benn when he was their MP and he refused to speak through the media but directly to the people themselves. OK, The leftwing half of Chesterfield.
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
An odd paradox about Left Wing intellectuals ,who usually are trendy and PC libertarian ,is that they just dont seem to grasp how authoritarian ,to the point of Fascist, are many in the Working Class.
I've got to admit their is a trend of authoritarianism in the working class, mainly down to crap schools and a sense the world is against them. However, there is a trend of enlightenment in the workingclass too.
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
The rise in Welfare Expenditure has not been associated with a rise in worker contentment, rather the opposite, which the trendies put down to the stresses and srains of having to make a living.
Those estates at which most welfare payment is directed are those that experience the most crime and general nihilist behaviour.
The welfare expenditure has risen and not delivered because of the government trying to impose market forces on what is not a market but a provision and so much money has been wasted on middleclass managers number crunching, trying to prove the system is doing what it can't do because so much is being wasted on trying to, prove it is doing what it can't do.
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Both WB and AS are unreconstructed Socialists who advocate Workers Paradises and state control of everything fot the good, as they see it ,of all but in practice turn out to be good for bugga all.
Actually seeks, what you think they stood for is what the rightwing media says they stood for. If you had taken the time to actually find out what their views were you would find out they were probably not what you think are. Though Arthur Scargill was right in saying you can't make deals with tories because they are fundementally dishonest and will shaft the working class who support them and they did, the democratic mineworkers really did well out of betraying their own and thinking they could make a deal with fucking tory bastards. (sorry my true colours coming out there.)
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