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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 8:37:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you think that you need to solve the problem... then your probably on the right

If you think there ought to be a goverment program to solve the problem.. then your probably on the left.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 8:41:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I get older I tend to fall dead even on many topics--I am certainly a Moderate.
In some area's I lean right and in others I lean left.
I think many people are in the Middle and Moderate on many issues.
It just depends on this issue. I don't care much for either party these days, I tend to
vote for the party I feel is the lesser of 2 evils and the fact that I always vote and have
voted since age 18.
Let's hear it for the Moderates! 

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:30:45 PM   
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If you think that you need to solve the problem... then your probably on the right

If you think there ought to be a goverment program to solve the problem.. then your probably on the left.

If you think it's this simple... then you're probably a fool.

~stef

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:35:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

If you think that you need to solve the problem... then your probably on the right

If you think there ought to be a goverment program to solve the problem.. then your probably on the left.

If you think it's this simple... then you're probably a fool.

~stef

If your first instinct is to project a feeling of superiority then you might be a lefttie, but resorting to the name calling is a confirmation.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:44:46 PM   
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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:49:08 PM   
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If your first instinct is to project a feeling of superiority then you might be a lefttie,

You don't think your endless bashing of the "lefties" qualifies as trying to "project a feeling of superiority?"  Excuse me but your hypocrisy is showing.

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but resorting to the name calling is a confirmation.

When you say something foolish, you should hardly be surprised when someone calls you on it.  If you don't want to be labeled a fool, don't say patently foolish things.  Simple enough, isn't it?

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:54:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

If your first instinct is to project a feeling of superiority then you might be a lefttie,

You don't think your endless bashing of the "lefties" qualifies as trying to "project a feeling of superiority?"  Excuse me but your hypocrisy is showing.

quote:

but resorting to the name calling is a confirmation.

When you say something foolish, you should hardly be surprised when someone calls you on it.  If you don't want to be labeled a fool, don't say patently foolish things.  Simple enough, isn't it?

~stef

Wrong time of the month hun? just a little crabby today I see
Try a few midol,  it will calm your nerves...

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 9:57:22 PM   
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I see we've left the "high plain."


Oh yeah.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 10:37:00 PM   
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Gent, any room for Independants?
I like things from both the Right and the Left but not all from either.


I brand myself a liberal from the fringe tree-hugging crowd.

I agree with the point made about cooperation being worth more than money. 

On the other hand, I tend to promote things like fiscal conservatism in government.  Where I get branded a socialist sympathizer is when I point out, taking universal health care as an example, is that we in the United States already provide this, at a lousy level of service for an exorbitant price.

On a similar thought, I have an issue specifically with this administration because they fostered, for example DHS, which got a bunch of leaders of industry in a room and divvied up the money available to rebuild New Orleans.   Then provided a lousy product at exorbitant prices.

I am very conservative about certain things, but then I am also of two minds about a lot of things.  I think the United States should fix the country we have, pull our troops home, figure out a way to end our dependance on foreign oil, stop Walmarting our economy into the gutter, and let the rest of the world either sink or swim.  On the other hand, I like the fact that when Kobe was levelled by an earthquake the first active rescue people on the ground happened to be from the US and Canada.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:17:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I do not consider myself a "right winger", NG.



Fair enough, Firmhand. My mistake.

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My view is that we all have twin drives in our beliefs: the analytical, and the emotional.  Having one without the other means nothing.  Just as I believe that having all "liberals" in charge of a society would be catastrophic, I believe that having all "conservatives" in charge would be just as catastrophic, albeit in a different way.



Interesting, but could you expand on the connection between idealism/realism and left/right?

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:23:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gent, any room for Independants?
I like things from both the Right and the Left but not all from either.


I brand myself a liberal from the fringe tree-hugging crowd.

I agree with the point made about cooperation being worth more than money. 

On the other hand, I tend to promote things like fiscal conservatism in government.  Where I get branded a socialist sympathizer is when I point out, taking universal health care as an example, is that we in the United States already provide this, at a lousy level of service for an exorbitant price.

On a similar thought, I have an issue specifically with this administration because they fostered, for example DHS, which got a bunch of leaders of industry in a room and divvied up the money available to rebuild New Orleans.   Then provided a lousy product at exorbitant prices.

I am very conservative about certain things, but then I am also of two minds about a lot of things.  I think the United States should fix the country we have, pull our troops home, figure out a way to end our dependance on foreign oil, stop Walmarting our economy into the gutter, and let the rest of the world either sink or swim.  On the other hand, I like the fact that when Kobe was levelled by an earthquake the first active rescue people on the ground happened to be from the US and Canada.

Sinergy


Sinergy, I think that you and I agree on many more things than we disagree on.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:26:56 PM   
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I agree with that, popeye1250.

What I find amusing is when certain posters call me a liberal, a democrat, or whatever.

I put my brain in gear before deciding how to vote on an issue.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:27:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I am a little confused on the 'question'.
Are you asking what is my perception of the differences.  or are you stating a difference ie
 
quote:

to the right (as highlighted above), the world is about money......nothing gets done without money. To the left, the world is about co-operation, nothing worth doing gets done without co-operation....

and asking if that is correct.
If it is the second, I disagree.
If it is the first, I would say there is not difference, only in the way they go about things is different, or rather, their manipulation is different.  The end result is still the same.  To be the one in control.



To clear up your confusion, I'm asking.

My quote above was offering an opposing, simplistic view of "getting paid" i.e. talking in terms of getting paid and money will only lead to going 'round in circles and not getting very far. Anyway, it's only served to cloud the situation, so let's move away from that.

To be "the one in control" is painting a bleak picture of human existence. You think that's it?  What's your opinion of altruism?

< Message edited by NorthernGent -- 3/23/2007 12:16:52 AM >

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:31:56 PM   
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Gent, any room for Independants?
I like things from both the Right and the Left but not all from either.



Popeye, loads of room for independents, go on then....what marks you out from left or right?

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:36:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gent, any room for Independants?
I like things from both the Right and the Left but not all from either.



Popeye, loads of room for independents, go on then....what marks you out from left or right?


Left and Right are complementary facets of the Tao.

One cannot exist, and defines it's essence, from it's opposite.

I believe it is entirely possible to think that side A has good points, and side B has good points, and to vote accordingly.

I am still waiting for Monkeyboy's side to come up with good points, but hope springs eternal.

Sinergy

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:47:41 PM   
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I think that the Right is more concerned with
tradition and preserving the past.  And the Left is more
concerned with new possibilities and planning for the future.
 
I think that the Independents are more pragmatic and focused
on the present.



That's an interesting take on it. I thought about your point on the right and I can think of examples where they've been at the forefront of change and I can think of examples where the left dig their heels in and cling to the present, but, in general, it sounds a reasonable opinion to me. It also occurs to me that if we use our political parties as examples, we're talking in two different languages because our right-wing party would be considered centre ground or even left of centre in the US.

I would certainly agree that, in the last 150 years, the left in Britain have been the ones driving change (on behalf of the working classes). Prior to that, the Conservative Party saw themselves as modernisers and champions of social provision (they tended to work for representation for the middle classes). So, I think both left and right here have driven change, but I think the left believe the world would be a better place if we all get a fair crack of the whip and work for change for the benefit of all, whereas the right believe there is a certain amount of survival of the fittest and that it's just the law of the jungle that some get left behind.

The answer to your second paragraph is included in the above.



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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:52:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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Gent, any room for Independants?
I like things from both the Right and the Left but not all from either.



Popeye, loads of room for independents, go on then....what marks you out from left or right?


Well, like Sinergy I think that the U.S. should have a National Healthcare plan. (The Right doesn't)
I think that we should end all foreign aid programs.
(Many onthe left don't some on the Right don't)
I don't like these one way trade deals that we're involved in.
(Some on the right do-the ones who make a lot of money from them.)
I believe in free speach. (Most on the Left and Right do also.)
I think working people in this country are being screwed. (Many on the Right don't)
I don't believe in "political correctness." (Some on the Left do)
I believe in labor unions. (Many on the Right don't)
I think that our govt. today is dysfunctional.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/22/2007 11:57:08 PM   
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the right is for less government up your ass the left is for more..



The above is not necessarily correct. Sections of the left (socialists and communists) believe in no government whatsoever. They believe that big government is necessary (in the present) in order to provide opportunity for all, redistribute wealth and smash class structure (socialism). The idea is (and link between socialism and communism) that, once class structure is smashed,  we will return to our natural state of co-operation and there will be no need for government i.e. we will all live in peace and harmony naturally (without any form of intervention). Thus, there is no room for government in communist ideology.

In a nutshell, socialists and communists believe class structure and the establishment is preventing us from being who we really are and what we really need out of life. They believe that the people have to take control of a nation (in the form of government) to rid the nation of class and privilege and return us to a state of co-operation.

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/23/2007 12:00:10 AM   
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Both sides, instead of drawing a line ... would rather have a real length of line, with which to hang the other side.



Why don't you dig a little deeper and start thinking about the works of some of the great thinkers in history - both left and right - you'll find some clues. Why don't you think about the people you know who consider themselves to be left or right and what drives them?

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RE: The left and the right...... - 3/23/2007 12:19:36 AM   
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he right is for less government up your ass the left is for more..


I'm not at all sure that's accurate. When it comes to how citizens use their own bodies, the right is far more likely to favor the government's being, as you so elegantly put it, "up your ass."



True. Both left and right view themselves as champions of civil liberty. They have a difference of opinion on what constitutes freedom and where/when government intrusion is necessary e.g. ID card schemes, smoking bans, anti-terrorism legislation, taxation levels etc.

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