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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 9:58:08 AM   
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Thanks for all the answers. Some of them were quite insightful. Others I admit scare me. The fact that 20% of the replies I received say, Why practise, or if you practise you must suck.
Tells me that a large portion of the "Doms" here have broken their clue phones. Do you really think that the best way to learn a new skill is to just try it on some unsuspecting sub. Do you really think that since you are some kind of Pompous High Lord Domly Dom that give you the right to harm others? Now I don't know who to feel sorry for. You or the poor sub who has the misfortune of playing with you.


Once she is chained and gagged who is going to hear her scream?

What is a clue phone? It wasn't mentioned in the great golden book of BDSM.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 10:29:24 AM   
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Once she is chained and gagged who is going to hear her scream?

What is a clue phone? It wasn't mentioned in the great golden book of BDSM.


Probably the police when you ungag her to feed her.

A clue phone is something you really need.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 10:50:32 AM   
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Once she is chained and gagged who is going to hear her scream?

What is a clue phone? It wasn't mentioned in the great golden book of BDSM.


Probably the police when you ungag her to feed her.

A clue phone is something you really need.


Well isn't that sweet! Are you flirting with me?

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 12:26:40 PM   
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Once she is chained and gagged who is going to hear her scream?

What is a clue phone? It wasn't mentioned in the great golden book of BDSM.


Probably the police when you ungag her to feed her.

A clue phone is something you really need.


Well isn't that sweet! Are you flirting with me?


sorry but I'm a heterosexual male dominant. I'm not interested in you being my slave.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 12:37:44 PM   
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sorry but I'm a heterosexual male dominant. I'm not interested in you being my slave.


Oh how clumsy of me. I assumed you were flirting as opposed to be just being narrow.
 
So here is your clue-by-four
 
Let me break the news to you buddy, not everyone here is into your kink nor are they going to participate in your big ol book of BDSM or BS or whatever. I have no need to practice whips, I don't use them, I have no need to practice with needles, I don’t use them, I have no need to practice with strap-ons, and I don’t use them... blah blah blah tra la la la.
 
The “oh so poor pitiful slaves” rarely come from this side of the site. Because they fuk’n read! They have an understanding of the D’s based on their posts and conversations. In this medium the only way we have to understand what is in another’s head is by what they write. Congratulations on your post, it will follow you until you leave or change screen names.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 12:44:28 PM   
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He doesn't use whips or needles or fireplay or any of the edgier things that you do need to learn how to use safely. But I suppose you could say he practices using his hands every time he gets one on my nipple.

As far as practicing knots, they're overrated. One of the best rope tops I know, who gives demonstrations at shibaricon says that knots are only trouble, you want to use coils and more coils of the rope. The knot puts too much pressure at only one small point, coils spread the pressure out.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 12:46:18 PM   
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He doesn't use whips or needles or fireplay or any of the edgier things that you do need to learn how to use safely. But I suppose you could say he practices using his hands every time he gets one on my nipple.

As far as practicing knots, they're overrated. One of the best rope tops I know, who gives demonstrations at shibaricon says that knots are only trouble, you want to use coils and more coils of the rope. The knot puts too much pressure at only one small point, coils spread the pressure out.


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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 1:44:30 PM   
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As far as practicing knots, they're overrated. One of the best rope tops I know, who gives demonstrations at shibaricon says that knots are only trouble, you want to use coils and more coils of the rope. The knot puts too much pressure at only one small point, coils spread the pressure out.


yes. that's true. a knot puts too much pressure at only one small point but only with lots of coils of rope you won't tie anything. you know... you need at least one knot to tie a rope. and knowing when and how to use the different types of knots and being able to do (and undo) them easily it's a required skill if you want to play with ropes.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 1:50:40 PM   
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I tend to use a slip loop and put that over a wrist or ankle and then knot off on the rope itself. But as the world knows I have no clue phone so I am probably fake.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 2:00:10 PM   
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I tend to use a slip loop and put that over a wrist or ankle and then knot off on the rope itself. But as the world knows I have no clue phone so I am probably fake.


nobody has said you are fake. I only said practice is needed.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 2:16:01 PM   
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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 6:33:18 PM   
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As far as practicing knots, they're overrated. One of the best rope tops I know, who gives demonstrations at shibaricon says that knots are only trouble, you want to use coils and more coils of the rope. The knot puts too much pressure at only one small point, coils spread the pressure out.
OK, let me explain. The knots I am talking about are like the Chinese button knot, or the double coin knot,or the Celtic trinity knot. Ones that you would add to a tie to make it more artistic. As far as the other kind of knots. Sometimes you want to add pressure to one small spot. Haven't you ever heard of a Happy Knot. As for using coils of rope, guess what those are called, friction knots.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 6:49:47 PM   
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I tend to use a slip loop and put that over a wrist or ankle and then knot off on the rope itself. But as the world knows I have no clue phone so I am probably fake.
OK. A slip loop. You mean like a Larks Head. That's a really good way to cut off circulation to a hand or a foot and do permanent nerve damage. Smart, I tell you what I'll do. Since you don't have one I'll use my clue phone to order you some of your clue-by-fours. As for being a fake. I don't think your a fake. I think your a pompous elitists who's pathologically insecure and criminally negligent and dangerous.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/25/2007 11:53:06 PM   
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I tend to use a slip loop and put that over a wrist or ankle and then knot off on the rope itself. But as the world knows I have no clue phone so I am probably fake.
OK. A slip loop. You mean like a Larks Head. That's a really good way to cut off circulation to a hand or a foot and do permanent nerve damage. Smart, I tell you what I'll do. Since you don't have one I'll use my clue phone to order you some of your clue-by-fours. As for being a fake. I don't think your a fake. I think your a pompous elitists who's pathologically insecure and criminally negligent and dangerous.


Pathologically insecure AND criminally negligent and dangerous? Both? At the same time? AND on top of that, a pompous elitist?

WOW!!

Personally, I've generally found that being elitist isn't really a bad thing - except to other people who don't feel they "measure up."

What one person calls elitism another calls self-confidence.

So... were you REALLY wondering if your hours of practice is obsessive or were you just bragging that that's what you do?

juliet

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 12:36:48 AM   
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OK. A slip loop. You mean like a Larks Head. That's a really good way to cut off circulation to a hand or a foot and do permanent nerve damage. Smart, I tell you what I'll do. Since you don't have one I'll use my clue phone to order you some of your clue-by-fours. As for being a fake. I don't think your a fake. I think your a pompous elitists who's pathologically insecure and criminally negligent and dangerous.


Wow I didn't know you cared. I think nothing of you at all, but since I am in your mention maybe we could talk about ropes a bit. I use more of a rolling hitch or highwayman’s hitch. The Spanish bowline is prettier but not as practical. A jury mast knot is real pretty, real fun and makes for good predicament bondage. A true lovers knot makes a cute lil stock, and is also fun predicament bondage. A three-part crown is a fun lil knot too for ceiling hooks and outdoor pleasure. The sheepshank is a bit tired but still fun. I like branch knots and stopper knots for finishing off a rope. As for your larks head, you may want to consider a dropper loop or a loop on the bight. Many of these will allow you to put rope on skin and not knots, give you a secure tying point on rope and not skin, and makes for a pretty lil package all wrapped up with a cute smile. The neat thing about being a sailor is you get to practice a lot with the shit you will be doing to other people.
 
Now, I have been here for a bit, don’t let the date fool you, and people know me a lil better than you. I am sure they will find your analysis lacking substance. However since I mentioned substance, I will ask the question you needed to be asking. 
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"How much practice do you put into your toys?"
 
Hi everyone, new poster here and I am curious how much practice you put in with your various toys?
 
I practice daily with a single tail to hone my skills and perfect them.
 
At what point do you feel comfortable with diligent practice and retire to occasional, comfortable practice?


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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 12:43:15 AM   
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P.S. Thanks! That looks good in my sig line!

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 3:22:47 AM   
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OK, let me explain. The knots I am talking about are like the Chinese button knot, or the double coin knot,or the Celtic trinity knot. Ones that you would add to a tie to make it more artistic. As far as the other kind of knots. Sometimes you want to add pressure to one small spot. Haven't you ever heard of a Happy Knot. As for using coils of rope, guess what those are called, friction knots.


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ORIGINAL: whipofdoom

OK. A slip loop. You mean like a Larks Head. That's a really good way to cut off circulation to a hand or a foot and do permanent nerve damage. Smart, I tell you what I'll do. Since you don't have one I'll use my clue phone to order you some of your clue-by-fours. As for being a fake. I don't think your a fake. I think your a pompous elitists who's pathologically insecure and criminally negligent and dangerous.


Given your very clear condescension in regards to your own "superior" knowledge, the only pompous elitist here is you. I happen to have a lot of respect for what Mr. Trolls says on these boards. At first glance, he might seem to be a bit of a dick with his humor, sarcasm, and cryptic style of writing, but once you look at what he is really trying to say, there is quite a lot of wisdom there. Unfortunately, some people don't have the higher "thinking" skills required to get the real points present in his posts.

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Tells me that a large portion of the "Doms" here have broken their clue phones. Do you really think that the best way to learn a new skill is to just try it on some unsuspecting sub. Do you really think that since you are some kind of Pompous High Lord Domly Dom that give you the right to harm others? Now I don't know who to feel sorry for. You or the poor sub who has the misfortune of playing with you.


This is like BDSM cliché #13.

If I were to stick needles into a bottom without practicing, lets say, on a Nerf ball, studying human anatomy, and receiving instruction from someone who has mastered the skill, I would consider myself to be a stupid person.

If I were to use a whip, without spending a lot of time perfecting my accuracy so as to, lets say, not strike the lower back and potentially cause internal bleeding, I would consider myself to be a stupid person.

I practice flogging because its a skill that requires a degree of accuracy and finesse and if I want to safely use a heavy flogger, my aim will have to be better than what it is. However, the first time I ever used a flogger, it was a light flogger and on a girl under the instruction of my mentor. I had never picked one up or practiced on a pillow before that.

Were my actions and the actions of my mentor unsafe because we didn't follow your proclaimed mantra of practicing for hours before using it on the girl? No, because how the hell are you going to hurt someone with a light flogger? Its nearly impossible short of having such incredibly bad aim that you miss their back and wrap around their face.

How much practice do you need to use clothespins or nipple clamps? Do I need to clamp my own nipples and kill them to learn when to take them off? Or do you think its possible for me to simply read a book and remember to take them off after 10-15 minutes?

The only time I have used a paddle is on a bottom's ass. I have never sat at home and whacked a pillow with a paddle for hours on end. Why? Because its not a skill that requires the finesse and accuracy like flogging does. Its pretty easy to pick up a paddle in one hand, cover the sub's tail bone with your other hand for safety purposes, and make contact with her ass without practicing on a pillow.

The things I need to learn about paddles I can only learn by trial and error with a bottom. Hitting too hard or too soft and how much pain is inflicted with each blow. These are things I need feedback to understand...feedback my pillow doesn't give me. And I don't know about you, but whacking myself in the ass with my own paddle is pretty awkward.

As much as we like to pretend that we can go threw Dom Boot Camp and master all the BDSM skills without ever touching a bottom, the real truth is that a lot of this stuff can only be learned threw hands on experience with a bottom. At some point or another, a human being is going to be your test dummy and this isn't negligence but simply the realities of learning this stuff.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 4:16:47 AM   
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As for being a fake. I don't think your a fake. I think your a pompous elitists who's pathologically insecure and criminally negligent and dangerous.


Pathologically insecure?
I think rather our troll is simply cocksure
Whipofdoom you do I adjure
To quit spreading manure
Cm subbies cannot resist Troll’s allure.
 
Criminally negligent ?
Sir you are the oddment
To impugn our Troll most puissant
Of forum humor he is regent .
 
Dangerous pompous elitist ?
Of D/s Troll is an artist
Women flock to him in earnest
Slurp is the sound of a most excellent cunnilinquist !


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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 10:07:26 AM   
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This is like BDSM cliché #13.

If I were to stick needles into a bottom without practicing, lets say, on a Nerf ball, studying human anatomy, and receiving instruction from someone who has mastered the skill, I would consider myself to be a stupid person.

If I were to use a whip, without spending a lot of time perfecting my accuracy so as to, lets say, not strike the lower back and potentially cause internal bleeding, I would consider myself to be a stupid person.

I practice flogging because its a skill that requires a degree of accuracy and finesse and if I want to safely use a heavy flogger, my aim will have to be better than what it is. However, the first time I ever used a flogger, it was a light flogger and on a girl under the instruction of my mentor. I had never picked one up or practiced on a pillow before that.

Were my actions and the actions of my mentor unsafe because we didn't follow your proclaimed mantra of practicing for hours before using it on the girl? No, because how the hell are you going to hurt someone with a light flogger? Its nearly impossible short of having such incredibly bad aim that you miss their back and wrap around their face.

How much practice do you need to use clothespins or nipple clamps? Do I need to clamp my own nipples and kill them to learn when to take them off? Or do you think its possible for me to simply read a book and remember to take them off after 10-15 minutes?

The only time I have used a paddle is on a bottom's ass. I have never sat at home and whacked a pillow with a paddle for hours on end. Why? Because its not a skill that requires the finesse and accuracy like flogging does. Its pretty easy to pick up a paddle in one hand, cover the sub's tail bone with your other hand for safety purposes, and make contact with her ass without practicing on a pillow.

The things I need to learn about paddles I can only learn by trial and error with a bottom. Hitting too hard or too soft and how much pain is inflicted with each blow. These are things I need feedback to understand...feedback my pillow doesn't give me. And I don't know about you, but whacking myself in the ass with my own paddle is pretty awkward.

As much as we like to pretend that we can go threw Dom Boot Camp and master all the BDSM skills without ever touching a bottom, the real truth is that a lot of this stuff can only be learned threw hands on experience with a bottom. At some point or another, a human being is going to be your test dummy and this isn't negligence but simply the realities of learning this stuff.


You are right... and wrong.
Obviously you don't need to practice to give a spanking or to use nipple clamps.
but (almost) anything you need to learn, you need to practice. like making knots.

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RE: How much do you practise? - 3/26/2007 10:29:26 PM   
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As far as practicing knots, they're overrated. One of the best rope tops I know, who gives demonstrations at shibaricon says that knots are only trouble, you want to use coils and more coils of the rope. The knot puts too much pressure at only one small point, coils spread the pressure out.
OK, let me explain. The knots I am talking about are like the Chinese button knot, or the double coin knot,or the Celtic trinity knot. Ones that you would add to a tie to make it more artistic. As far as the other kind of knots. Sometimes you want to add pressure to one small spot. Haven't you ever heard of a Happy Knot. As for using coils of rope, guess what those are called, friction knots.


Sorry, I'm like the Troll, I am worried about effeiency not prettiness, but good to know you are keeping up with that portion!!!!

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