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When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 4:37:01 PM   
sexysubbunny


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Hello,
i have a question that has been lingering in my mind for quite some time.
When is it appropriate for a sub to receive a collar? in what time frame?
And what should be thought if a sub is collared in 2 1/2 wks after just meeting!? If a sub is collared in just a few weeks, what would be the reasoning that she is collared so soon? What might she be doing?
Would appreaciate any and all Master's advice!!
thank you!
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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 5:41:54 PM   
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There's no absolute answer to this question except that "it depends". When a submissive should be collared depends on...

... whether or not the dominant and submissive have formed a deep enough commitment sufficient in their opinion to make the relationship they want work.
... whether or not the dominant and submissive have learned enough about each other to know they are genuinely compatible for a long term commitment.
... whether or not they've sufficiently explored how much they have in common.
... whether or not they've dealt with their differences and resolved them in a healthy way.
... whether or not they have explored their individual goals enough to know that they have common goals for a relationship and compatable life goals.

Just to name a few.

Some people can do this fairly quickly, but the rule of thumb is that it takes time. How much time is never a definite answer. All I can relate are some of my personal experiences. The fastest I've ever decided about a girl was in September of 1999. I met a young lass from Scotland. The first day we met we talked for a very long time, it was one of the most amazing conversations of my life. By the end of that conversation on that first day I knew I'd ask her to marry me. However, I did wait 6 months to tell her that. We did become engaged (6 months later) but unfortunately she died before we could become married. The time we did have was wonderful. Most of the time I prefer to get to know a girl as friends for at least a month, see how that goes. If things feel right I will "place her under consideration" for about 6 months (six months seems to be an amount of time that works best for me, YMMV). There's no collar at this point but I do focus my attention on her and I expect her to focus hers on me. Its like going steady or being engaged in a way, you've made a commitment to building a serious relationship for the long term, but you aren't there yet. After that, and assuming all goes well, I will collar her as a submissive. At that point we're in a committed relationship but we aren't done yet. I want a slave but I don't believe anyone can just step into the role of being my slave, that takes training and a learning period. For the next year I work with her training her as my slave, and upon completing that successfully she is collared a second time with a slave collar. If she doesn't successfully complete it then the amount of time is extended and we continue to work, or, if either of us feels it isn't going to work either can opt out. That's my method, others do things differently.

In general though I would say anyone who is collared in under three months most likely leaped before they looked. I see it happen a lot, especially with new submissives. Being new in this lifestyle is very overwhelming, there is so much to learn and most new submissives are very eager to learn. Some dom comes along and offers to teach them.... provided they accept a collar first (sometimes they call it a collar of protection). In my not so humble opinion, such "collars" are scams by unscrupulous "doms" just to get in someone's pants.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 5:54:01 PM   
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Collars are a statment of commitment between two people, about the same seriousness to most as an engagement ring. While there is no set time frame for being collared, two weeks is ridiculously soon. A collar is not a toy, and someone offering one so soon is treating it as such. The only collar that might be acceptable at such an early date is the recent invention, the consideration collar. That collar is like announcing to the world that you are dating. It strikes me as a very high school convention like leaving a hickey to publicly claim the person you're dating. If someone is not mature enough to respect the dating relationship on it's own merit without needing to add in the "going steady" nature of a consideration collar, then, in my mind, they're not mature enough to handle having or being a submissive.

Collars have a traditional meaning in BDSM, Here are some links for you to read up on them.

Collars Explained
http://www.erotic-bdsm.net/Articles/The_Collar.html

Collars and Traditions
http://www.castlerealm.com/library/morecollars.shtml

The Collar of Consideration
http://www.steel-door.com/Consideration_Collar.html

The Training Collar
http://www.steel-door.com/Training_Collar.html

The Formal Collar
http://www.steel-door.com/Formal_Collar.html

Collaring
http://www.soulshaven.f2s.com/sub_collars.php3

Collaring Cermony
http://www.castlerealm.com/library/collar.shtml

Collars
http://cuffs.com/submission/collar2.html

Collars
http://www.explore-sex.com/sex_and_romance/C/Collar_(BDSM).html

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 6:07:28 PM   
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thank you BeachMystress and padriag:
i do appreciate your input on this and i also feel that is way to soon!
now as far as that issue is concerned, i just left this Master 5 wks ago due to various jealousy issues and games on the part of his alpha sub!
it was a mess but at the time i walked away from the situation at hand, there was another 3rd sub becoming involved at the same time.
now after 2 1/2 wks she is colared?
It seems to me as a game he is playing and to collar a sub after such a short time, they dont even know each other!
i find it strikingly odd in a sense
just happy to be out of the situation!!
Thanks so much!!

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 6:42:13 PM   
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I have to say that of the boys that we have collared thus far, all were collared within a very short time - but it was understood that it was a 'training collar' type. Basically, for us at least, that collar means that the boy is taken but maybe not for forever. 3 of the boys that we have collared as such have not worked out - one has. The others have moved on to other people (well, 2 of the 3 have ... if the 3rd has I would be very surprised, but that's another story) as have we.

In the situation you describe, I'm willing to bet that your former master is playing games with the alpha and the new sub, and quite possibly trying to make you jealous.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 6:53:04 PM   
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"" In the situation you describe, I'm willing to bet that your former master is playing games with the alpha and the new sub, and quite possibly trying to make you jealous. "" excerpt from SweetDommes -



how very interesting that you say that, was my thoughts exactly!
Master and i shared a very intense relationship and we dealt with alot of jealousy issues on the part of the alpha, i got upset and i allowed her to provoke me and i told him i was tired of it and all the games and he asked me to take off my collar, and he now still wants to be freinds and continue to go slow and communicate and I have said NO, i do not want any more of this with you!
he did not want to end it...but punished me with silence for weeks and weeks!
and now to find out a new sub, who has been collared in a short 2 1/2 wks.......... Oh myy!!
I really wonder the true meaning of this!!
I really loved this man and wished so much that things could be different!
I have to go on and heal and learn a lesson here.. but i was just curious to know the reasoning behind collaring a sub SO SOON!!
You are probably right in your statement above!!
It certainly makes a lot of sense to me!!
thank you so much!!


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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 7:15:15 PM   
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Easy come, easy go.

Watch and see how long this new slave lasts.

It may amuse you,patterns repeat.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 7:19:10 PM   
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Very true Gemeni - although in a case like this, it's often not amusing because it is someone's life that is being toyed with.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/9/2005 11:29:38 PM   
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Whenever you want, if ever. A collar is a symbol, therefore it means whatever you want it to mean and however you commit to it meaning.

I like having a collar, it's important to me, but it doesn't affect who I am or that I am owned. I would like to see what would happen if no slaves or subs were allowed to wear any collar or any symbol of commitment for a month.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 6:35:12 AM   
sexysubbunny


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my point is:
After 2 1/2 wks of knowing someone......!! Really!!
Its so odd to me that a Master of 5+ years can do this and especially after just removing his beta sub and me just walking away from him only 3 wks before that..
Is it revenge?
just makes me wonder!
I just think that giving a Collar has much more meaning than the fact you don't know someone after 2 1/2 wks, what is the real meaning behind it?
thank you!

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 6:59:27 AM   
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I honestly believe that the collar is like a wedding band...but time frames should be relevant to the relationship at hand. If i am collared i believe that from that moment i am his...but he better make sure he wants all the responsibility of ownership.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 8:08:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexysubbunny

my point is:
After 2 1/2 wks of knowing someone......!! Really!!
Its so odd to me that a Master of 5+ years can do this and especially after just removing his beta sub and me just walking away from him only 3 wks before that..
Is it revenge?
It he trying to make me jealous!!??
I just think that giving a Collar has much more meaning than the fact you don't know someone after 2 1/2 wks, what is the real meaning behind it?
thank you!


Sexy I think the meaning here is that you're obviously still obsessed with this ex of yours and can't let it go. It's not all about you.

I've known people who collared the day they met and are together after years. I've known people who were collars after years and then went vanilla.

Who cares.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 8:19:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexysubbunny

When should a sub be collared?




Ewww....collard greens on a submarine sandwich? That sounds disgusting....grinning

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 8:41:14 AM   
sexysubbunny


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are we being funny? LOL.......
You know the meaning of this
let me re-phrase that for you!
When would it be appropriate for a submissive to be honored in receiving a collar?
in what time frame?
does that help??
LOL............ grins!

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 9:32:42 AM   
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Of course she was being funny,

I am sorry that you are so distressed by your situation. Perhaps it is too fresh for humor to be appreciated.

How long should a person have to wait before they are offered a collar?
The question of course will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction.
But let me take a crack at it anyway?

2 1/2 weeks after meeting, hmmm possibly if the person had signed a short term contract for a term of evaluation. The collar would be a symbol (as was noted above) of that contract being in force. 3 month, 6 month contract sure I can see a collar being offered after a very short time.

But I don't know enough about the situation to say anything for sure about the specific situation.

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/10/2005 4:09:01 PM   
sexysubbunny


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Thanks to everyone for the responses today! I do appreciate them!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh humor is wonderful and i did have a chuckle on that post that "elegant" wrote, thanks for the laugh ( :-)
It was very hard on me i have to admit, my Master and i were very deep into our thing, BUT i got driven away!
Its ok and i am getting better and as time goes by, i find myself smiling more and more......... Better things to come for me!
a lesson learned indeed!

Being a "Side Dish" is not for me.......found that out!!
wink, grinssssssssssssssssssssssssssss :-)

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/11/2005 3:11:08 PM   
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Greetings,


EmeraldSlave2 wrote:

>I like having a collar, it's important to me, but it doesn't affect who I am or that I am owned. I would >like to see what would happen if no slaves or subs were allowed to wear any collar or any symbol of >commitment for a month.

This is pretty much how it is in my household. The way I approach it, collars are a distinction and an honor to be carried, even more so than a wedding ring in vanilla relationships. One of My Devoted I know I wish to marry, and we have discussed it thoroughly, so we are practically engaged, but a proper collar of mine, no, that he does not have as of yet, and it may still take a while. We have in the system that I use for my household, a sort of commitment collar, but it is one the sub fashions himself to show his desire to earn a real collar, and by no way indicative of the real thing. And he is fully trained, has known me since July, and is more comitted to our relationship than most people's families and husbands.

HayaSierra ---

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/11/2005 5:12:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexysubbunny

my point is:
After 2 1/2 wks of knowing someone......!! Really!!
Its so odd to me that a Master of 5+ years can do this and especially after just removing his beta sub and me just walking away from him only 3 wks before that..
Is it revenge?
just makes me wonder!
I just think that giving a Collar has much more meaning than the fact you don't know someone after 2 1/2 wks, what is the real meaning behind it?
thank you!



I'd be curious as to how long you knew him before he offered and you accepted his collar. 2 1/2 weeks does seem fast...but I've known people who have done it faster and have been very happy for a good number of years.

I've ceased wondering at other people's actions for the most part. I have enough to worry about with my own...lol.


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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 4/11/2005 9:14:53 PM   
sexysubbunny


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~ in response to your quesion,
i knew him and had been with him for 5 months, but at 3 to 3 1/2 months is when i received mine in a cerimonial situation that was very intense!
~ bunny...

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RE: When should a sub be collared? - 7/13/2005 7:16:13 PM   
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Sexy it appears that you have a new dom now after a short period of knowing him offline.
Do you find you have the answer to your questions now?


quote:

and now to find out a new sub, who has been collared in a short 2 1/2 wks.......... Oh myy!!
I really wonder the true meaning of this!!

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