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caitlyn -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/23/2007 5:16:20 PM)

You can borrow my wide angle lense, because I certainly won't be needing it. [;)]




Vendaval -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 4:41:49 PM)

LOL....No offense taken.  Tell me more about the use of paroled
convicts in the Civil War.


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

No offense intended, but articles like this make me think twice about Salon as a news source.
 
In the University I attend, if you would have presented this information, without pointing out that in the American Civil War, entire brigades were made up of paroled convicts ... you would have been accused of incomplete, second rate research and promptly been given a low grade. If were lucky, the prof., might allow you to admit that you are stupid blonde fuckup, and give you a chance to rewrite the paper.




Vendaval -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 4:55:20 PM)

Bingo!  Somebody step up to the plate and give Ron a blow job!  lol
 
In the NY Times article referenced by domiguy, this is what caught my attention -

"Army Gives More Waiters in Recruiting"
 
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ
Published: February 14, 2007

 
"John D. Hutson, dean and president of the Franklin Pierce Law Center in New Hampshire and former judge advocate general of the Navy, said the military must tread carefully in deciding which criminals to accept. There is a reason, he said, why allowing people with criminal histories into the military has long been the exception rather than the rule.
 
“If you are recruiting somebody who has demonstrated some sort of antisocial behavior and then you are a putting a gun in their hands, you have to be awfully careful about what you are doing,” Mr. Hutson said. “You are not putting a hammer in their hands, or asking them to sell used cars. You are potentially asking them to kill people.”
 
Correction: February 27, 2007

A front-page article on Feb. 14 about an increase in the number of waivers granted to Army recruits with criminal backgrounds referred imprecisely to the crimes for which the Army grants the bulk of its "moral waivers." While they indeed include serious misdemeanors, they also include felonies such as aggravated assault, burglary, robbery and vehicular homicide. (The error was repeated in an editorial last Tuesday.)"

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/14/us/14military.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=06c953182b1c51bb&ex=1329109200&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, your professor is an ignorant dick then, and would be straining at gnats instead of considering the whales (and you are not a ditzy blonde, btw)  since the point of the thread is that the services are not making recruiting goals, and this is one more sign of the desperate straits we find ourselves now contemplating. 

Had he pointed out that as always, when these waivers are instituted, as opposed to the quiet and illegal acts of cops and judges that something more than a general malaise is in the offing.

Ron 



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caitlyn -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 8:12:02 PM)

This will take me a bit of time. Most of what I have is in print, as opposed to online. I'll send it to you offline.
 
Shelby Foote has a wonderful section in one of his books, about the regiments recruited in New York, Phili and Boston, that were mostly paroled convicts (admittedly, petty convicts), as well as Irish that were released to come here, and paroled convicts used to replace wealthy draftee. A high percentage of the Redlegs in Kansas, were guys they broke out of various jails.




dcnovice -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 8:47:55 PM)

Caitlyn, why do you see the Civil War policy as relevant to today's recruitment? It could just be that it's late, but the link isn't entirely clear to me.




caitlyn -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 9:31:53 PM)

The article could lead the casual reader to believe that this is something new, which would be incorrect.




dcnovice -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/24/2007 9:37:26 PM)

Good point. It's interesting that they resorted to emptying prisons in the Civil War, given that there was also a draft.




Vendaval -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/25/2007 4:12:07 AM)

Caitlyn, I would appreciate that, thank you!




mnottertail -> RE: From Salon.com News - "Out of jail, into the Army" (3/25/2007 8:07:51 AM)

Ja, caitlyn got it going on quite often, in fact more often than given credit for.

Ron 




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