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Looking at your figures 13,300 people were murdered using a gun in the USA in 1997 compared to less than 100 people in the UK even taking into account the fact that the USA has 6 times more people than in the UK. I don’t claim to be very good at maths though it is apparent that if you scale up the population of the UK to mach that of the USA the figures in your link indicate that people in the USA are atleast 21 times more likely to be killed with a gun than people are in the UK. I really don’t see how these figures work towards supporting the argument you are trying to put across perhaps you can explain what it is you are trying to get at?
Well its just not that simple. you cannot look strictly at homicides and cry no guns.
We have to talk about crime in its totalisty. We also have to look at culture. Some people are savages.
The point is that the safest places in the usa is where people are amed to the teeth. i feel the safest knowing everyone around me packs iron. Only an idiot would pull a weapon and expect to live with the gerneral public armed to the teeth, swiss crime as a case in point.
The Wall Street Journal Europe
June 4, 1999 Stephen P. Halbrook
In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban "assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull."
For those who think that target shooting is more fun than golf, however, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in the U.S., and a SWAT Team might do you in.)
Tourists--especially those from Japan, where guns are banned to all but the police--think it's a revolution. But shooting is the national sport, and the backbone of the national defense as well. More per capita firepower exists in Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is one of the safest places to be.
According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm Regulation, England's 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000 population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0 (70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per 100,000. England has strict gun control laws, ergo, the homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. However, such comparisons can be dangerous: In 1900, when England had no gun controls, the homicide rate was only 1.0 per 100,000.
Moreover, using data through 1996, the U.S. Department of Justice study "Crime and Justice" concluded that in England the robbery rate was 1.4 times higher, the assault rate was 2.3 times higher, and the burglary rate was 1.7 times higher than in the U.S. This suggests that lawfully armed citizens in the U.S. deter such crimes. Only the murder and rape rates in the U.S. were higher than in England. The small number of violent predators who commit most of these crimes in the U.S. have little trouble arming themselves unlawfully.
The U.N. study omits mention of Switzerland, which is awash in guns and has substantially lower murder and robbery rates than England, where most guns are banned.
http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html
More than half of all reported offences in Scotland in 2000 occurred in the Strathclyde Constabulary area, which has the country's lowest rate of legally held guns. (190 firearms and 503 shotgun certificates per 100 000).
http://www.basc.org.uk/content/armedcrime
To: The United Kingdom Parliament
Gun crime in the United Kingdom continues daily. Amidst a knife amnesty knife crime has in reality risen to a pandemic magnitude. Law abiding citizens live in fear of teenage mobs that hold no respect for anyone or anything. Law abiding citizens have to rely on a police force that fails to serve and protect. The victims of the United Kingdoms failure to protect its citizens are evident in the recent deaths:
It is time that the government of the United Kingdom allow its citizens to protect themselves from the threat of undiscriminating attack and murder.
Sign this petition and lets try to make the United Kingdom change for the better. Let us take back our streets, our homes, our lives and not live in fear of teenagers running around with knives and ready to kill for fun.
http://www.petitiononline.com/X1013/petition.html
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