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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 12:17:07 PM

LadyEllen

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Wow, you two put on a good show!

By the way, its Romania and Bulgaria that just joined the EU, and its their inhabitants on whom immigration restrictions are being applied. The Hungarians have been in since Poland, Czech/Slovakia, the Baltics, Malta and Greek Cyprus joined.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 12:26:04 PM

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Seeksfem......in your reply to me you appear to have misunderstood or not 'got' what I was saying in places....most clearly about diwali.

You have, despite me saying so repeatedly, for some reason failed to grasp the extremely simple concept that immigrants are different to illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and people here on holiday.

You appear not to appreciate the concept of exponential growth, are using figures that I can only assume you are making up as you go along and you repeatedly resort to name calling, changing the subject, and gross generalisations.

I will not be discussing this topic on this thread with you any more, unless by some miracle you start making a sensible argument.

Anyone who reads what has been written and doesn't think you have failed miserably to refute my point, probably isn't going to be the sort of person whose opinions will bother me.

I am always willing to admit when I am wrong, and I am always willing to agree to disagree.....but you make me think of a number of sentences that I probably couldn't use without violating the censorship of this board.

edited for a typo

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 2:21:33 PM

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DCwoody:
Simple concepts are no problem to me I can assure you of that. But to you, I am not so sure. I raised the point about the problems of immigration and the costs levied on to the taxpayers as a consequence.

Health tourist:
If Umgawa Karwarathingola arrives from the Gambia , just happening to be heavily pregnant, I believes the expression is her waters break, and she gives birth in a NHS hospital that is a cost that I resent
If Rosie O'Shea arrives from Southern Ireland in the same condition and with the same results , I resent that too.

Asylum Seekers:
Most are spurious in that the concept of asylum requires that the nearest safe haven be chosen as their destination and also many are not under threat in their own country anyway. Sorting out the almost non existant wheat from the chaff costs the Brit taxpayer money. I resent that.

Immigration:
Housing and schooling are two major costs landed on the Brit taxpayers as a consequence. I resent that also.

Can I be clearer than that ?
Can I be more accurate than that ?

With regard to exponential growth, I understand only too well the concept of the mathematical exponential function, but if you think the real productive Brit economy is growing at all, let alone exponentially you are just plain wrong.

Stand corrected by LadyE; Romania it is.

By the way if Rosie or Umgawa required emergency medical treatment while in the UK I would happily agree that that be financed.

One last point DC, since you have decided to pick up your cricket bat and ball and refuse further debate, and since I know you are a Liberal, you said so, I can only assume you are used to talking to the converted and believe that their are no legitimate arguments against your position, probably because at the moment in the UK we are heavily censored on such matters.

Censorship requires that you must think for yourself, and not be swayed by the sentimental idealist Utopianism disseminated by the BBC and the Guardian/Independant.
Let Norman Tebbit be your guide. lol

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 2:39:34 PM

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Let Norman Tebbit be your guide. lol

Give over, he couldn't guide bacon into a frying pan.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 4:56:42 PM

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"You have, despite me saying so repeatedly, for some reason failed to grasp the extremely simple concept that immigrants are different to illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and people here on holiday."

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One last point DC, since you have decided to pick up your cricket bat and ball and refuse further debate, and since I know you are a Liberal, you said so, I can only assume you are used to talking to the converted and believe that their are no legitimate arguments against your position, probably because at the moment in the UK we are heavily censored on such matters.

Censorship requires that you must think for yourself, and not be swayed by the sentimental idealist Utopianism disseminated by the BBC and the Guardian/Independant.

It may interest you to know that I am anti-abortion and don't believe in man-made global warming.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 6:49:03 PM

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Good post b12345 and also in the UK massive, and I mean very large, amounts of Welfare are diverted towards encouraging the economically insecure and willfully feckless to "knock out sprogs", ie breed as and when its convenient for them.

Some put this breeding down to lack of Sex Education and hence demand more government expenditure.
I think a sea change to the benefit system is required but every bleeding heart Liberal would be up in arms so I dont think that is very likely.

The Specials had something to say about this...

Too Much Too Young

You've done too much
much too young
Now you're married with a kid
when you could be having fun with me
oh no, no gimme no more pickni
You've done too much
much too young
Now you're married with a son
when you should be having fun with me
we don't want, we don't want
we don't want no more pickni
Ain't he cute?
No he ain't
He's just another burden
on the welfare state
You've done too much
much too young
Now you're married with a kid
when you could be having fun with me
no gimme,no gimme,no gimme no more pickni
Call me immature
Call me a poser
I'd love to spread manure in your bed of roses
Don't want to be rich
Don't want to be famous
But I'd really hate to have the same name as you
(you silly moo)
You've done too much
much too young
Now you're married with a kid
when you could be having fun with me
gi we de birth control, we no want no pickni
You've done too much
much too young
Now you're chained to the cooker
making currant buns for tea
oh no, no gimme no more pickni
Ain't you heard of the starving millions
Ain't you heard of contraception
Do you really a program of sterilization
Take control of the population boom
It's in your living room
Keep a generation gap
Try wearing a cap

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 3/31/2007 6:54:04 PM

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Good post b12345 and also in the UK massive, and I mean very large, amounts of Welfare are diverted towards encouraging the economically insecure and willfully feckless to "knock out sprogs", ie breed as and when its convenient for them.

Ali G here, dawg---the swindon massive is wif you brover.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 1:07:57 AM

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DCwoody said......
It may interest you to know that I am anti-abortion and don't believe in man-made global warming.

Whether you mean this or not I agree on the second point and mostly agree with the first.
Incidently abortion for non UK residents is/was another large cost that the Brit. taxpayer has/had to bear.
In Southern Ireland the issue got right to the top as a political issue when debates were held in their parliament with the intention of stopping the women travelling to the UK for abortions. Dont remember the outcome.

Sinergy:
I am amazed you can decipher the lyrics to a pop song.
In the few seconds before I switch them off what I hear being...errr sung....is incomprehensible to me.

Just read the lyric all the way thru'.
A major error is that the girl would not be married but living an almost 100% subsidised life in housing paid for by......guess who
altogether the British taxpayer.
Hope I am not being too picky.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 1:27:03 AM

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Isnt this a TV comedy show.

Close, but no cigar... it's not comedy, it's satire. Usually, very well researched satire.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 3:14:29 AM

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seeksfemslave, you might want to question why all the people you're having a go at (the immigrants, the unemployed, single mothers) are those most likely to be at the lower end of the economic scale and therefore easier targets (finding someone to blame)

I can't actually find a post from you complaining about tax dodging of the super rich or any point at all against those at the higher end of the income brackets although that might be my lack of investigation as much as anything.

I really worry when someone concentrates solely on one social group as if they can be blamed for all societies ills, it's a dangerous road to go down.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 4:05:28 AM

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Too much satire can easily slide into serious verbal abuse, the result is ...post awaiting approval. lol or its TV equivalent..

If BrutalDemon believes BBF's programme is well researched I expect that means he agrees with the sentimental Liberalism that they project.

I once heard a satirist say regarding the furore over what could be done to defend your property from the feral youth that is roaming our streets....we cannot give householders the right to murder..
That was not long after that householder from Chelsea in London was actually murdered by one of the little darlings who was already supposed to be tagged for previous violent offences....

Was the entertainer a satirist a comedien or just plain wrong.?

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 7:19:26 AM

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Sinergy:
I am amazed you can decipher the lyrics to a pop song.
In the few seconds before I switch them off what I hear being...errr sung....is incomprehensible to me.

Pop?

Wrong musical genre, it is a ska song from 1980 by a band called The Specials.

She is married with a son, but the impression I take away from the song is that it was a shotgun marraige when
she got knocked up. I believe the point of the song is teenage girls need to have a childhood and young adulthood of their own before adding another burden on the welfare state.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 9:33:39 AM

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If BrutalDemon believes BBF's programme is well researched I expect that means he agrees with the sentimental Liberalism that they project.

You see? It's exactly this rottweileresque "attack first, reason second" attitude that turns people off politics altogether. I'm neither sentimental, nor Liberal... but because I appear to have a different viewpoint to your own, you apply those labels as if they were the vilest of epithets... I am not convinced or sympathetic to your reactionary heresay, so I must automatically be The Enemy?

The point I was making, if you care to reread the post... after all, it's not very long and written in The Queens' English... is that BBF, and plenty of other offerings from the Vera Productions people, actually make some effort to check the information they are stating as fact, actually IS fact... rather than making gross generalisations and exagerations, without any evidence.

I actually agree with you on Global Climate Change not being man-made... although I reached that conclusion from doing my own research, rather than leaping to that conclusion automatically because some Liberal claimed otherwise.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 10:01:06 AM

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"DCwoody said......
It may interest you to know that I am anti-abortion and don't believe in man-made global warming.

Whether you mean this or not I agree on the second point and mostly agree with the first."

I do, and the point I was making is that I am far from 'used to talking to the converted'....and that you should stop making assumptions and generalisations and believing what you read in the papers, and try using facts instead.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 10:11:09 AM

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....[assumptions and insults]......

I once heard a satirist say regarding the furore over what could be done to defend your property from the feral youth that is roaming our streets....we cannot give householders the right to murder..
That was not long after that householder from Chelsea in London was actually murdered by one of the little darlings who was already supposed to be tagged for previous violent offences....

Was the entertainer a satirist a comedien or just plain wrong.?

Are you saying that the death penalty should be used for breaking and entry?

If you are then that's your opinion.......if not, then maybe you should clarify your position a little.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 11:23:21 AM

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EnglishDomNW: <says I only attack people at the bottom of the social hierachy>
The essence of my criticism and frequently included in my posts has been my charge that the unproductive overpayed upper middle class taxpayer dependant Liberal "experts" have caused the social and economic problems we currently experience in the UK. Said it lots of times I 'ave. I even named one lol
I have also posted that I believe welfare is not intrinsiclly bad but in the UK it has ballooned to the point where it is, bad that is.

DCwoody: <suggests I might be advocating the death penalty for burglars>
I said no such thing. If a burglar gets injured or even killed while actually commiting his crimes then I say "tuff shit" and a prosecution of the burgled should almost never follow.
I can envisage exceptions; for example the burglar is detained or stalked and then injured/killed. In the heat generated by the burglary the houseowner should have carte blanche, IMO. Also you should be allowed to put up potentially lethal defences in your property. eg electrify something that needs to be touched to gain entry.

Veering back to the right I note that in todays news it is reported that another strand of the PC inflicted madness is to be unravelled.Teachers are to be allowed to use reasonable force when confronted with out of control kids.
I also read recently that some school exams are to be made more rigorous.
Where will it end lol

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 1:15:41 PM

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Okay....from where I was sitting it read very much as if you were taking the opposite view to the quote.....and suggesting that householders should have the right to murder.

Electrocution of milkmen, newspaper boys, postmen, unexpected visitors, leaflet boys, campaigning politicians, jehovahs witnesses, door to door salesm.....you know, the more I think it about it the better it sounds.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 2:07:56 PM

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Woody my son you are a PC Liberal. Thats exactly how they respond.
First electricity can be switched off well before the postman is likely to arrive and none of those you list actually force entry into your property. What about the bastards who force open a shed door at say 2 o,clock in the morning., as happened to me last Wednesday for about the 10th time.
Fuck 'em I say, To extirminate them would be providing a public service.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 3:00:20 PM

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Yes, these PC Liberals sure are a pain in the neck.

Imagine! Equal consideration for everyone, rich or poor, whatever their skin colour, even if they arent Christian, even if theyre afflicted with psychoses such as homosexuality, even if theyre women?

And just see where this ridiculous tolerance has gotten us? Instead of the sure and certain knowledge that some are inherently and irretrievably inferior, (not being white Christian heterosexual males), we are now left to ponder whether there might be other reasons for society's ills than the presence of inferior elements, which after all could be eugenised.

We are left to wonder whether deeds rather than status, might be a better guide to people! Ridiculous! We are left with the incomprehensible idea that those born inferior should have aspirations above their status, and we are obliged to furnish their aspirations with the materiel required to achieve them - as if they ever could, being inferior from the start?

What the PC Liberals forever fail to appreciate is, that at every opportunity the superior will shall prevail, being the emanation of that same divine will that ranks it above those deemed inferior. The poor, the coloureds, the non Christians, the homosexuals and the women will struggle in vain against this superior will, and fail. And in that natural failure is shown the natural order of things.

And so we find ourselves here and now, with those inferior elements having been defeated as is natural in the struggle against right and true order, instead of accepting and acknowledging their inferiority as the reason for their defeat, protesting that their circumstances are the result of unfairness from the start and throughout their unsuccessful uprising, and rebelling against those superior elements with whom they struggled to inevitable defeat.

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RE: 1 in 5 in absolute poverty in the UK - 4/1/2007 4:44:58 PM

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Oh fuck off

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Woody my son you are a PC Liberal. Thats exactly how they respond.
First electricity can be switched off well before the postman is likely to arrive and none of those you list actually force entry into your property. What about the bastards who force open a shed door at say 2 o,clock in the morning., as happened to me last Wednesday for about the 10th time.
Fuck 'em I say, To extirminate them would be providing a public service.

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