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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 1:49:18 PM   
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Hee hee i like that.
 
I will try and be kinder to them but they really do freak me out.

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 1:57:35 PM   
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Remember: Spiders are actually very helpful creatures to humans. They help plants reproduce by pollinating them. They help recycle dead trees and animals back into the earth. They are a source of food for birds, fish, and small mammals. And, they eat many harmful insects, helping to keep your garden pest-free.

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 1:59:58 PM   
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I know, but honestly, totally irrationally i know, as soon as i see one i think it wants to eat me and if it heads towards me its like a blind panic, its awful.

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 2:09:16 PM   
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   well atleast you are scared to death over something that can bite..I swear to God..if I go somewhere and there are balloons there I will run out of the place I don't mind the balloons with decorations on them, I think they are called mylar balloons...those shiny ones..I just cannot be around balloons that you blow up for parties...

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 2:09:51 PM   
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I know, but honestly, totally irrationally i know, as soon as i see one i think it wants to eat me and if it heads towards me its like a blind panic, its awful.


    You need something bigger than a spider to eat you...something man-sized.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 2:26:19 PM   
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I like your thinking

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 2:33:13 PM   
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  well atleast you are scared to death over something that can bite..I swear to God..if I go somewhere and there are balloons there I will run out of the place I don't mind the balloons with decorations on them, I think they are called mylar balloons...those shiny ones..I just cannot be around balloons that you blow up for parties...


My best friend fears the latex ones. She was blowing up balloons for a party of some kind and had one pop right in her face when she was younger. Scared the snot right out of her and now if you try offering her a balloon she'll run like mad to get away from it.


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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:22:52 PM   
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I like your thinking


    I like YOUR thinking, misst! Such a good girl.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:27:36 PM   
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I like your thinking


    I like YOUR thinking, misst! Such a good girl.
 
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Does a 'good girl' dance

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:34:36 PM   
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I like your thinking


    I like YOUR thinking, misst! Such a good girl.
 
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Does a 'good girl' dance


    Let me go a step further...such a good girl, in a very naughty way. Naughty girls can dance, if they wish...or almost anything else.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:36:38 PM   
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Can they also go curl up in bed with the Marquis de sade because they are very tired and in need of serious beauty sleep?

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:41:44 PM   
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Can they also go curl up in bed with the Marquis de sade because they are very tired and in need of serious beauty sleep?


     No, but they can curl up in The Hawk's Nest...for a well-deserved rest and all the sleep they need. The Hawk is always watching over his Nest.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 3:47:33 PM   
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well considering your nest is thousands of miles away my bed is the next safest place for me i promise

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 4:01:31 PM   
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well considering your nest is thousands of miles away my bed is the next safest place for me i promise


      That's true...but it's a standing invitation. Then curl up in your own bed and get some rest.
      A new picture, I see.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/29/2007 9:16:16 PM   
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well atleast you are scared to death over something that can bite..


That's actually it.  Mostly they can't, not through human skin, not on their own power.  I have scooped young Latrodectus into my bare hands to move them quickly and gently, though I don't generally recommend such handling techniques.  There is very little risk as long as you do not crush the animals between your skin and some other surface.

I have been handling spiders on purpose for more than twenty years, including the dangerous species.  Actually I've focused primarily on the dangerous species.  I've also done more casual bare-hands handling than is really advisable, even with those species.  I almost always do bare-hands captures in the field.  In fact I pick up pretty much every spider I see and stick my fingers in every web I see, just out of entomological curiosity.  I've slept in the same room as a black widow hatching swarm.  Er, that was a minor miscalculation, and it took a wee bit of cleaning up after. I wasn't willing to harm any of the little ones, so I moved them by hand.  It took awhile.  Guess how many times I've been bitten by a spider.

The number is zero.  None, nada, zip, zilch.  Spider bites are a hell of a lot rarer than most people think, and they're almost inevitably the product of the spider being crushed into the person's skin.  If you don't do that, spiders don't bite. 

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/30/2007 4:05:01 AM   
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So MissT, does this mean youre not coming round tonight to watch films?

I got a great selection, including 8 Legged Freaks and LOTR Return of the King........

If you want to be clear of spiders for a while, then leave the house for a week, having set off fumigation bombs in every room. On your return, you will see how many spiders were in the house, for their choked corpses will litter the place. But it is very cruel, and its karmically catastrophic to kill spiders. Theyre all around us MissT, all the time - but they only bother us when we know theyre there....... <hears muffled shriek from the north>

What you need is a little courage and a pint glass - a straight one, and a beer mat. You pop the pint glass over the spider, gently slide the beer mat beneath, trying not to trap the legs and snap them off, lift the whole thing and tip spider to the bottom keeping beer mat firmly on the top - you'd be surprised how strong larger spiders are. Open door, throw spider outside. Or if you have a neighbour you dont like, pop spider through letterbox. Capturing in a glass means you can also get a safe close up look at said fiend, which is important to desensitise yourself a little; dont keep it in the covered glass for too long though as it will suffocate quite soon in a closed environment.

For tiny spiders and the babies of the monsters trapped in your bath, first put the plug in so they dont go down the hole. Then get some loo roll and get them onto it so you can hoist them out of the bath. Note how these tiny ones are quite cute really.

I've only killed one spider in the five years I've lived here, and that was because the bugger was on my bedroom ceiling above the bed and wouldnt get captured. Hairspray knocks them off and poisons them (fly killer does the same), but best to finish the job quickly so the poor thing doesnt suffer too much.

I also fear and loathe spiders MissT - well the big ones anyway, but I've managed to stop shrieking now and got to admire them instead. I even bought a Collins spotter guide to spiders and read up on them a bit so I know one creepy scuttler from another, and got to the stage where I actually let the cellar spiders we had in the house last year stay where they were because they were so fascinating to watch. Didnt stop one house spider from biting me in bed though - four bites on my leg last summer which are still visible now.

And now the really scary part - theyre running all over the place in the dark of the night MissT. I only caught one fiend because I happened to get up at 3am and turn the lights on, and there it was...! But you'd be surprised at how they feel on your skin - you likely wouldnt notice anything more than a gentle silky caress as they walk over you. Not that I found that out deliberately - it was just that one was sitting in a towel I used to dry my face one day. It ran off the towel onto my head and then down my face to escape and I might have not even known had I not been looking in the mirror at the time.

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/30/2007 6:55:34 AM   
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well atleast you are scared to death over something that can bite..



That's actually it.  Mostly they can't, not through human skin, not on their own power

     Try telling that to someone who has been bitten more than once by a Brown Recluse spider.
 
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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/30/2007 10:03:24 AM   
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     Try telling that to someone who has been bitten more than once by a Brown Recluse spider.


I said that most of them can't.  Adults in the genus Loxosceles can manage the trick, as can some of the other "walking spiders" that evolved larger and more mobile fangs due to their food capture methodology.  Spider fangs in the vast majority of the species that walk on our planet are less than a milimeter in length, while the thickness of human skin is generally more than that.  You have about .5mm of skin thickness on your eyelids and other tender bits and around 4mm on your palms.  That's good armor against most spider species.  An adult Loxosceles can successfully bite and envenomate a human with fangs over a milimeter in length, but they usually don't unless the same criteria are applied that works with any spider - the animal must be crushed between clothing and skin, or between your skin and another surface.  Tarantulas and their similarly giant relatives have no trouble penetrating human skin, but their venom is not dangerous to humans.  Most of the "giant" spiders did not need to evolve particularly potent venom to immobilize prey, as their capture mechanisms have more to do with simply running the food item down and physically capturing/immobilizing it.  Their method of eating prey also does not require as much predigestion.  It is the smaller spiders that are hampered by the physics of "eating through a tube" that require digestive and immobilizing toxins. 

Medical misdiagnosis of "brown recluse bite" is incredibly common.  Loxosceles bites do happen, but they are much rarer than most people (including doctors) think.  Please google the terms "loxoscelism" with "misdiagnosis" and you'll come up with a number of really annoyed papers published in medical journals on the subject that are admonishing the medical profession to quit with the hasty misdiagnoses and take a better look at the differentials.  Here's one that's accessible without a subscription to the medical databases: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/site/free/hlsa0805.htm

I don't know whether your necrotic wounds were in fact Loxosceles bites, but there's a pretty good chance they were not even if the doctor told you they were.  Spider bites are *rare*.  Not impossible, but rare.  Unfortunately they get pointed to as convenient culprits even when they are not guilty, simply because they are considered "ugly" and "scary", and very few will speak up in their defense even when it flies in the face of good science and medicine to continue blaming them.

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/30/2007 10:32:32 AM   
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I can't believe i'm curious but i am. Spiders like the black widow, recluse, tarantula and others i cant think of have a really bad rep. What are they really like?

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RE: It tried to kill me - honest!! - 3/30/2007 11:47:30 AM   
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Tarantulas are great as pets, so long as you don't startle them while holding them, they won't bite!
make you a deal misst, I'll protect you from the mean spiders and you protect me from bess and wasps ok?

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