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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 12:25:32 PM   
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Geeky Girl,

It's not that you said you won't date black men.  It's the reason why you won't date them. 
  • You stated you don't want to rock the boat with your family (Are you not grown enough to make your own decisions?)
  • The inmates(wtf this has to do with the respectable black people is beyond me) at the prison where you are employed treat you disrespectfully. 
  • You also implied that it is a cultural thing that you were treated in such a manner.  (WHAT?)

These three things are offensive. 



I would have to say I believe strongly in people dating whoever they want to and feel comfortable with, however agree that I did find the reasons given offensive.  I really think that yet again class and race are confused and somehow lower class impoverished blacks are being confused with being black people.  Its like me assuming that the white trash that can't afford a double wide and are constantly getting jailed are what all white people are like.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 12:46:02 PM   
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NO WAY IN HELL WOULD I DATE A BLACK MAN!!!!!


In fact not a white, translucent, red, green, asian or anyone that started life with an xy chromosome setup.

But I think that speaks to a whole different set of predjudices.


So, I will probably rot in hell for it. But that is the race I am running.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 3:38:07 PM   
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Greetings, Mistress Vendaval...

I understand why some would wish to join a separate group--it works for them.  While I most certainly don't doubt that people of any color have run into less enlightened people, for me personally, I just wouldn't eliminate other sites and resources. 

Well wishes,

little onyx

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 3:40:38 PM   
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NO WAY IN HELL WOULD I DATE A BLACK MAN!!!!!


In fact not a white, translucent, red, green, asian or anyone that started life with an xy chromosome setup.

But I think that speaks to a whole different set of predjudices.


So, I will probably rot in hell for it. But that is the race I am running.

Ron




So...um...Master Ron...how about all of the above for a woman? 
*raises her hand and grins*

Well wishes,

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 5:44:31 PM   
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Geeky Girl,

It's not that you said you won't date black men.  It's the reason why you won't date them. 
  • You stated you don't want to rock the boat with your family (Are you not grown enough to make your own decisions?)
  • The inmates(wtf this has to do with the respectable black people is beyond me) at the prison where you are employed treat you disrespectfully. 
  • You also implied that it is a cultural thing that you were treated in such a manner.  (WHAT?)

These three things are offensive. 

It's not what you do, it's the way you do it.  If you don't want to be tagged something, don't put yourself out there to garner that tag.  I am sure you pride yourself in "telling it like it is." or "how you see it"  That's fine.  But if you don't want to suffer the reprocussions of what you say, don't say it.  If you do choose to say it.  Choose your words wisely.  You can state something with a flair of eloquence that will make people pause and think about your stance or you can just spew it out and get what you got.

Agreed it doesnt matter what one does, someone is going to be offended by it.  However, don't get your feeling hurt or your mood on edge because someone doesn't like what you said.  Learn how to effectively communicate with the masses and you won't have to go chasing your tail.




I see what your saying and it was not meant to be offensive. As for my family, I still am financially supported by my family and live in a house they paid for on their property, so yes, their opinion matters. My family pays my rent, my electric bill, my water bill, and my phone bill,so yeah, I respect their desires.This living arrangement allows me to have enough money to enjoy my very expensive hobbies, and hence I have no desire to live on my own.

As for the inmates, my question was this: why is it only black inmates that do such disrespectful things? The white and hispanic inmates don't do it, which is what made me wonder if it was a cultural thing. All of the individuals I am dealing with are "lower class" people, yet only the lower class people of a certain race commit this act. That to me must indicate *something*. A black friend of mine (an older lady whom I work with) says it is caused by young black men growing up in the "hip hop culture" and said she had the same experience I did (that only black males threw semen, jacked off on her etc.) I don't think it's racist of me to wonder why so many black males disrespect female officers. Sometimes culture does lend itself to certain behaviors. For example, I have noticed that there are far more white murderers than black murderers. I have noticed there are far more hispanic wife beaters than there are black abusers. Etc. I simply stated a trend that I had noticed and questioned if there might be a cultural influence. I didn't say there was one, I said I was curious (which didn't seem racist to me, as I have heard other black officers make the same suggestion.)

I just don't see how you can be a racist when you have black friends and believe in black equality.


ETA: I am curious why people over the internet were so offended by what I said. These opinions are ones I have discussed with my black friends and coworkers several times and they have never been offended. I can only assume that because they see me every day and see how I treat them and other black individuals every day, that they KNOW I'm not racist. *actions speak louder than words* and sometimes our words online can give an incorrect negative impression. When you've worked with someone for 2 or 3 years and seen consistently that they treat people equal and have friends of all races, perhaps you utilize that knowledge when they voice a controversial opinion.

When I asked my older black lady friend about the black men disrespecting me, she didn't take it was a racist comment because she knows me in real life and knows that I would never treat someone differently based on race, and has seen me hang out with my black coworkers. Therefore, armed with that knowledge, she took my question as a sign of curiousity and not one of prejuidice.

Let's remember that our words alone speak for us here, and it's easy to jump to unfair conclusions when you don't interact face to face with someone on a daily basis.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 6:13:17 PM   
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And one more thing: If we want to talk about racism, let's talk about REAL racists. Ever met one? Do they even exist up north anymore?

Before we call someone a racist for questioning cultural influences, let see what a REAL racist is. Ever heard of the Aryan Brotherhood? The Aryan Circle? The Klu Klux Klan? Ever heard with your own ears people talking about how people of a certain color have no right to live, how their women should be raped, their children beaten, and their men slaughtered? Ever had to DEAL with people like that on a daily basis. Well guess what? *I DO*.

I merely voiced a curiosity based on statistics I had witnessed...that doesn't make you a racist. Racists have hatred in their hearts towards others. I could never hate another human being for the color of their skin. I would never even dislike another for that reason. I might wonder if some of their behaviors were culturally influenced, but that's as far as it goes.

You guys who are screaming "racism" have never seen a black man beat to a pulp, had to pull his white attacker off him, and then listen to that white man ramble on about how "he deserved it for being an inferior creature, those *n-words* are no better than animals, they should all die, etc etc."

You go deal with that crap EVERY FRICKING day then come back and call me a racist. You people have led such sheltered lives you've probably never even MET a racist.

If you ever come face to face with true racism (and I pray you never have to) you will not be so quick to sling the word around.

ETA: I forgot to bring this point up in my last point. In regards to my family's approval, as I said I live at home. I plan on living here till I die. This is my home. Any man who wants to be with me has to be willing to move in WITH ME, not the other way around. I already know my dad would throw a fit if I wanted a black man to move in here and he wouldn't allow it. Therefore, dating black men is actually not even an option even if I wanted to cause there's no way in hell I'm moving out of my home. This will be my home until the day I die.


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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 6:16:19 PM   
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well sure if they got that xx thing goin on.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 6:22:20 PM   
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And one more thing: If we want to talk about racism, let's talk about REAL racists. Ever met one? Do they even exist up north anymore?

there certainly is mucho racism in the north. Boston, moreso than any other city in the country I would imagine is the most acist city in the country. Always has been.

Northern racism is different though. It's more behind closed doors than the blatant southern style. I'm constantly amazed at how people react when there's no one else around and they decide to 'confide' in you. I've been less than impressed with numerous friends, business associates and others when their slurs and bigotry come out.

Don't fool yourself, sadly, racism is all around the country and world as well,  and will be forever.


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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 6:28:01 PM   
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And one more thing: If we want to talk about racism, let's talk about REAL racists. Ever met one? Do they even exist up north anymore?

there certainly is mucho racism in the north. Boston, moreso than any other city in the country I would imagine is the most acist city in the country. Always has been.

Northern racism is different though. It's more behind closed doors than the blatant southern style. I'm constantly amazed at how people react when there's no one else around and they decide to 'confide' in you. I've been less than impressed with numerous friends, business associates and others when their slurs and bigotry come out.

Don't fool yourself, sadly, racism is all around the country and world as well,  and will be forever.



That is very unfortunate to hear...it doesn't surprise me that northern racism is "behind closed doors" though. I have a feeling that northerners (based on what I've seen here), do not have racism shoved in their face like we do. I mean it's not uncommon for a blatantly racist statement to be made at a dinner party or in a casual public event here. Just sitting around at a barbeque in front of 20 people and someone says,  "Yeah, well you know, we wouldn't have such problems if it weren't for those N____s taking over everything." Stuff like that. Just spout it off,  like there was NOTHING wrong with acting that way.

So when you deal with that kind of stuff on a daily basis, and you're the person who speaks up and says, "Hey now, I don't want to hear that kind of thing! That's a horrible thing to say!", well it's sort of a slap in the face for someone to call you a racist just because you express a curiosity about a certain cultural influence.


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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 8:04:50 PM   
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I've noticed that, especially in the UK, there's a steady increase in black people interested in BDSM, and not too sure whether it's also the trend in the States, but I see this as a positive step forward. It's a sort of black sexual revolution.

Personally I don't have an issue with colour. You're with a person, and it doesn't matter to me where that person comes from on this planet.

I think this sexual revolution among blacks is a positive sign as it indicates that black people are not only overcoming the oppression they face from white people, but also from within their own black community and from other black people, especially from cultural influences, the media, and the Church. They have different social pressures than white people, they have been forced into living up to more clearly defined stereotypes, which is why their revolution is happening now, much later than the white sexual revolution.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 8:06:21 PM   
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In my experience, African and African-American Doms are very kind but strong, and have that wonderful combination of compassion and strictness needed in a good Dom.  But really, one could say that about anyone.  Race is not an issue.  I just wanted to be another person to assure you that there are white women out there who can appreciate a "black" Dom.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 8:29:54 PM   
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I am so glad i am from NYC. I am sure i would have been lynched by now if i had lived in the south, LOL


ummm you might be lynched in some neighborhoods I grew up in...right there..in NYC...

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 8:43:05 PM   
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Okay, I won't respond to the post above me...but I found this thread rather intersting.  Given, it's not exactly about Black Doms and White Doms and whatnot...but it is listed in the title. 

Naturally, I had a lil bit to say on it.  http://www.collarchat.com/m_935000/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#935000


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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 9:58:35 PM   
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there are not many black people where i live...on the east coast *of canada* the only city with a large black population is Halifax and i don't live anywhere near Halifax.... but i have always had a thing for black men, i don't know why... but i always have.... bu sadly most of the black men where i live only date black women

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 10:03:07 PM   
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GeekyGirl, I couldn't agree more that you are entilted to feel and express yourself anyway you wish. Some forget the first amendment is  Free Speach and not PC. There is a huge difference of acceptance of interracial couples based on regional or true cultural divides. I lived in SC, interracial couples were not accepted, still can not get legally married there, they have to go to NC. Now I live in VT, no one cares, we are the first to have civil unions, bunch of tree huggers :)
My prefference is white, no explainations needed, it's what I like and I shouldn't have to defend those reasons but am more than willing to explain them; such as you have.

And since we are so off topic anyway.... anyone care to share some thoughts on why homosexuality is far less prevelent in black man, or am I the only one that knows 4/5 times more gay white guys than anyother ethnic group.

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 10:14:40 PM   
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This might be one of the best hijacks ever....Brothah bitchin he can't bed no whitey and now azz has switched it away from the plight of his brother, to fake plump pussy lips....lol.


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 10:43:07 PM   
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note sambaslilgirl i said MOST...some sistas got reverse jungle fever and can't wait to get a white male...bless u, go for it...i got nuthin against sistas with white men... most sistas aren't havin it unless the dude has money or is way cool (like domiguy) tho...u don't catch me sendin u messages beggin 4 pix of ur azz do ya :), so no worries... have a nice day..


Ohh Lord all mighty he played the white race card.... *snaps Her fingers in a classy non threatening non ghetto way* Oh Noooo you did NOT, My Brother. ..
Let's have the opinion of a Domme Black Female on this one, shall We??

I prefer white male slaves. The reason why most black Womyn these days arent dating black Men (sambagirl you dont count, because your Dom does not fit this profile, he is very intelligent) Is because We find them to be unintelligent, un motivated, and frankly full of shit. Posts like the one above only ADD to this negative view.. I am sick and tired of everyone talking about race. Fact is, most white Womyn prefer black males because they have the *big black bull* quality to them. White Womyn will put up with shit that Sisters will not..and thats not just in the Lifestyle. How many times in the paper do you see domestic abuse? Sisters dont put up with that crap. * Ohh, he didnt mean to hit me...*
A Black Womyn will slap the taste out of your mouth if you even look at Her the wrong way! As far as the D/s thing goes, more white Womyn are attracted to black men then they will admit..especially married Womyn.. theres the whole *bull* thing again... Black men are generally attracted to ghetto hood rat types... intelligent Females know better than this..hence, We date those on our Level. Im not saying that there arent strong Upstanding Black Men around here... there are plenty. Im saying that this site is mostly full of horny black men with nice bodies who want to bed white Womyn...
geeky girl.... once you go black...... YOU NEED A FUCKING WHEELCHAIR!~!!!!
you cant deny it.... youre secretly turned on by the inmates hostility towards you even though youre outwardly disgusted, youre craving the black cock inside...( and yes, your comments ARE racist.)
Awwwww shit... what did I start???

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RE: Black Doms - 4/4/2007 10:49:59 PM   
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geeky girl.... once you go black...... YOU NEED A FUCKING WHEELCHAIR!~!!!!
you cant deny it.... youre secretly turned on by the inmates hostility towards you even though youre outwardly disgusted, youre craving the black cock inside...( and yes, your comments ARE racist.)
Awwwww shit... what did I start???


i agree that black men are awesome in bed. at least, the ones i've had sex with. however, i've also had sex with white men who were better, for different reasons. i think it has to do with the person, their experience, and their style, more than any racial stereotype, although in some cases the racial stereotypes are present, in a good way ;)

as a woman, a rape victim, and a constant victim of sexual harrassment, i find it really disgusting that a woman of any race would downplay sexual harrassment in such an abhorrent way.


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RE: Black Doms - 4/5/2007 4:11:21 AM   
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Choose your words wisely.  You can state something with a flair of eloquence that will make people pause and think about your stance or you can just spew it out and get what you got.

Learn how to effectively communicate with the masses and you won't have to go chasing your tail.


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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl
Let's remember that our words alone speak for us here, and it's easy to jump to unfair conclusions when you don't interact face to face with someone on a daily basis.


This was my whole point.  Glad you understand.
 
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You go deal with that crap EVERY FRICKING day then come back and call me a racist. You people have led such sheltered lives you've probably never even MET a racist.


With all the money you say you make, I invite you to step out of your self proclaimed sheltered life and visit some other places up North where the racism is more "sophisticated" than it is down South.
 
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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl
I already know my dad would throw a fit if I wanted a black man to move in here and he wouldn't allow it. Therefore, dating black men is actually not even an option even if I wanted to cause there's no way in hell I'm moving out of my home. This will be my home until the day I die.


I know you are young and sometimes we cannot see things clearly when we are young...rose colored glasses and all.  But until you are able to come and go as you please with whomever you please, it's not your home.  It's just the place you live.  Earlier on you said you would involve yourself with a black man that shared your interests. 
 
Therefore I invite you to attend Black Beat07.  This is not an inexpensive affair so there won't be that run of the mill Black Man that you are not attracted to.  Put yourself in a position to meet some upstanding Black Men that practice BDSM and lets see if your attitude changes.  I am not saying you have to date them, I am not saying you have to submit to them, I am saying until you have surrounded yourself with more than you are accustomed to, and garnered some experience you cannot make statements like you have made and have people not get upset with you.  Give yourself the opportunity to experience a little bit of life outside your bubble. 
 
www.blackbeatinc.org
 
Never has been, never will be just for black people.
 
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RE: Black Doms - 4/5/2007 4:52:38 AM   
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i agree that black men are awesome in bed. at least, the ones i've had sex with. however, i've also had sex with white men who were better, for different reasons. i think it has to do with the person, their experience, and their style, more than any racial stereotype ~snip~



I've heard that black men are unbeatable in bed.  I've heard that white men are better.  I've heard that black men have begger penises.   I've heard that white men make better porn.  *shrugs*  Whatever.  (lol)  I've never been with a white guy sexually (oddly enough, many times that's one of the first questions I get--"Have you ever been with a white guy?"  I'm like, "Does it matter?"), but I can say from experience that all black men are not awesome in bed.  I won't start with my first, as that was just too horrible to mention.  Or one of my others, as that was just...*sighs*  I don't even wanna go there.  Or one of my threesomes, where he just...he just...dag nabbit, I can't go any further.

I quoted her because I agree, to a degree (look mom, I rhymed!).  I also think that it has to do with the person, as an individual.  Their sexual style, their experience, and how you feel when you're with them.  I've had some black men that I wish I could've completely erased from my memory...and yet, at the same time, there have been white men that I would collapse into a puddle for, and they've never even touched me.

Yup.  I be strange.

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