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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 4:41:23 AM   
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meatcleaver: So because this kind of experience has not happened to you, specifically, that is the reason you believe it can't possibly happen to anyone else? That is downright stupid.

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Hello, Susan. =)

It's not necessarily stupid to doubt somebody else's perceptions. I wouldn't take anybody's "word for it" when it comes right down to it. That doesn't mean I think they're lying, or crazy.. I just know how self-deceptive we are as a species.

At any rate.. as tempting as this topic is, I'm giving minimum input. People tend to get very defensive and upset about their beliefs.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 5:21:13 AM   
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It doesn't really bother me he doesn't believe it, it does bother me he is insulting to people who do.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 5:29:36 AM   
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And now you see why I havent posted on this thread until now.

I had a premonition it would descend into this sort of argument.

E

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:10:19 AM   
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I lived in a huge old house many years ago, it had three stories to it. Every evening around the same time we (my self and who ever was there) listened to what sounded like a very tired, (from the way his feet just kinda fell on each step) large man walk up the steps, go into each bedroom on the second floor, then climb the steps to the third floor and check each bedroom there then he was silent. It reminded me of a dad coming home from a really hard day and checking on his family. It was actually quite comforting.
 
And I've had a ghost that hid things from me (my shoes in particular, just one from each pair) which resulted in my literally sleeping in my tennis shoes the night before leaving on vacation just so that I would have a full pair of shoes. He was a prankster, but he was also a caretaker. He watched over my kids. If one was having a nightmare he would wake me or my roommate so that someone would be there the second the kid woke up from it.
 
I absolutely believe in ghosts... and I used to live in the middle of the desert near a military base in Cali... I'll just say, yes, I believe in UFO's as well.
 
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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:13:52 AM   
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*sigh* MC is predictable. I blocked him once for having such a limited, non-rational mind, you know. But after a couple of months I unblocked him again. I guess that i can respect and live with his hangups, grudges and non-rational obsessions and misperceptions with and of the spiritual, the Divine, mythology and religion. Except for those handicaps he is of sound mind. Pity that he always sings the same tune when someone hits this specific button. As long as he is trapped in that groove, he will never get it. I have tried to help him ascend from it, but he is so convinced of his own erroneous suppositions, that he refuses any assistance and bravely muddles onward in his groove.
 
As for reading an aura, I have had that happen to me. The reiki adept who did it was very accurate, though it might be argued that he already knew me well. In any case, he was literally shaking after having read my aura and swore to never read my aura again. He wanted and drank a glass of water to calm his nerves. That took him some time. I could well imagine his upset, as there is nothing remotely human in my mind.

As for a humongous spaceship that I could have touched with my nose if I had been six times as tall... My lips are sealed.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:17:35 AM   
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There are many unexplained things, but nothing is supernatural, nothing.

Supernatural would mean outside of nature. Frankly, humans are incapable of judging whether something is outside of nature or not.

As to the original question, I will say that I do not believe "in" anything, nor do I even know what it really means to believe in anything.

I believe that my good friends will not betray me, I believe that my car will start, I believe that the sun will rise and I believe that there is an afterlife, and I know that nobody on this planet can tell me a damn thing about it.

I believe that the human mind has many capabilities of which we are unaware. I believe that there is a part of a person that lives on after their corporeal death, so it must logically follow that communication with the dead cannot be dismissed as impossible.

I also believe that the only thing that can be known to be truly impossible is to prove that something is impossible. If you want to try, call me when you are omnipresent. Until then, none of us can say for sure that anything is impossible.

I believe that most of the stuff you see is mumbo jumbo. People have a hell of an imagination, was your dead Grandma really talking to you or was it a dream ? The only real proof of the real thing would be something like the combo to a safe, or the location of some hidden asset that was never revealed to anyone during life on Earth. One must be careful as to what is accepted as proof.

One thing that is overlooked is, whether really smart or not, just how much insight a person can have. Look at psychics, every prediction is preceeded by a question. They have a really good ability to judge from a person's response what is going on. This is a learned skill. And they are good at it.

I can't really argue that they are not possibly using part of the "other" 5/6ths of their brain. My opinion is that if they gave up the mumbo-jumbo they would make excellent counsellors and advisors.

So to answer the question in the OP, I do not believe "in" anything, nor do I understand the concept. I used to think I did, but age came upon me and I realized that I did not.The concept is foreign to me. And what you might call the supernatural is simply part of nature with which you are unfamiliar.

I read a very enlightening book a very long time ago. It was simply titled "The Occult", and the very first words were the definition of occult. The occult simply means that which is hidden. Might not be Websters but it works for me.

People are walking around with DVD players, portable, battery operated with LCD screens. You've seen them. Take one back in time a hundred years or two. You'll be burned as a witch.

People instinctively fear the unknown. In the wake of that, they attach a certain reverence to the things they do not understand. Thus we have mumbo-jumbo.

Strip away all the mumbo-jumbo and you see alot more. Have an out of body experience ? Enjoy it, but try to stay rational. Nothing is happening to you right now, be observant. Explore. Your mind is doing it and you should pay attention, like some dreams, it is trying to tell you something.

If you get rid of the mumbo-jumbo, I could prove that vampires could exist.

Let's chew on that. Forget about turning into a bat, forget the mumbo-jumbo and let's get down to reality. Say a change in the DNA, OK, far fetched but hear it out.

Their digestive tract changes, they must ingest meat, blood, and this would be nurished by whatever the animal ate, but it is pre-digested. They lose the ability to extract nutrients from food normally. They are sensitive to bright light, but can see very well in the dark.

With the tradeoff they gain a very long lifespan and near superhuman strength and agility.

All the myths about them being able to change into a bat or smoke or whatever, come from their extreme agility. What was it about Bruce Lee ? could get across the room and turn on a light switch and get back to where he was before the incandescent bulb actually lit up, something like that ?

Unfortunately there is so much myth about it we may never get to the bottom of it to know whether it is real or not. The thing about the fangs. OK I have had a trooth cap itself so tooth growth is true, but fangs ? Well maybe, but I seriously doubt they retract. If they grow fangs they are probably stuck with them. And how does one beconme a vampire ? getting bit on the neck ? Somewhat like a mosquito bite ?

So the point is, anything is possible. And things that we have not yet seen in nature are deemed supernatural by some. But not me. It is all natural.

T

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:22:13 AM   
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I experience lots of things people would consider supernatural or psychic or whatever. There is a lot more to this universe than meets the eye.

You shouldnt worry about people who dont believe, or who do believe..I cant beleive that really nasty person down the street just won the lotto..but they did :)

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:29:08 AM   
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I absolutely believe in ghosts... and I used to live in the middle of the desert near a military base in Cali... I'll just say, yes, I believe in UFO's as well.
 
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Very early one morning well before sunrise I was driving through Southwestern Idaho, just east of Boise, near the Mountain Home Air Force Base, when a very large, bright and shining object in the sky commanded my attention. It hovered completely motionless for a moment, then practically instantaneously it moved to another position, hovered there, moved one more time, hovered, and then it shot off to parts unknown. My butt hole puckered up pretty good when that happened, and part of me thought I was gonna die. The thing was awfully close, and the feeling I got isn't really something that I can explain very well. It was awesome to see it, it was life changing, it was scary as hell... and it wasn't something that people would necessarily believe, but since it happened to me I have to believe.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:36:49 AM   
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Not just ghosts, but also things like psychic abilities, curses, and stuff like that?

Has anyone actually seen a ghost?

Yes to everything you asked.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 6:50:20 AM   
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YES I believe,WE own a 150 year old farmhouse and in the master bedroom WE see a young woman in period clothes appear then disappears through the wall ,I explored while remodeling and found there use to be a door where she walks.She never looks at us ,just goes on about her business,I believe in reincarnation and have lived and died several past lifes...the dejvu we some times experience comes from living a past life..ITS not most of the dead we need to worry about but the living..as always just this ol" masters views on things..bounty

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 7:33:50 AM   
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I've seen ghosts I believe in pshycics I've seen their works and I've therefore no reason not to believe in them and well curses.. I don't think it would be far fetched to believe in curses but I've never thought about those kind of things though.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 9:20:15 AM   
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And now you see why I havent posted on this thread until now.

I had a premonition it would descend into this sort of argument.

E


Yeah but Lady E when you have over the top believers you will always get the wind up merchants, it makes for great viewing!

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 9:26:51 AM   
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I had a premonition it would descend into this sort of argument.

Nice touch, LE.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 9:27:48 AM   
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I've seen ghosts I believe in pshycics I've seen their works and I've therefore no reason not to believe in them and well curses.. I don't think it would be far fetched to believe in curses but I've never thought about those kind of things though.


Curses tend to work on the suggestible mind, people really really dont realise how powerful the mind is. When you read something that someone wrote about you no matter what you say or think it DOES affect you, when you are upset your immune system is lowered making you vulnerable to illness, people still dont understand that alot of physical ailments really do stem from how we think not vice versa.

Can a 'curse' harm you if you dont know about it?  What i mean is if you started getting warts for example, if you thought 'oh well we can catch them from certain things' you would just get on with it until they dropped off however what would you think if someone said to you 'i'm going to curse you!' but wasnt specific about EXACTLY what was going to happen? Most people would associate it with the warts. The deeper the person is the more vulnerable they are to suggestion as they think way too much about open possibilities. Also i am wary of people who 'generalise' about what is going to happen to you, P.T. Barnum used to do that as a circus psychic act, he would say things like 'you havent reached your potential yet' things we can all apply to ourselves, you have to be open sure but rationality is incredibly important.    

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 10:05:16 AM   
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I don't get my pants in a knot though someone says to me I'm gonna curse you and yes you're right people can believe in stuff so badly that they succeed in whatever they didn't think they could and then thank the...whatever they think helped them doing it without realizing they could've done it on their own it's just a question about state of mind, it's similar to praying I suppose.
I already know how far the mind can take you but that doesn't mean that the supernatural doesn't exist. And if you excuse me I'm going put a curse on myself and walk under a stair see you later, if I survive

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 2:29:03 PM   
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I'm a practicing witch - I think it goes without saying that I believe in it.

Only I see it as "natural". We are "taught" that it isn't normal - therefore it becomes supernatural.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 3:19:00 PM   
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Ghosts...seems rather rediculous....Psychics are total B.S. it would seem there wouldn't be a lottery or Vegas...Pure charlatans.....U.F.O's it does seem like too many credible people have had an encounter which can't be properly explained...So I put some relevance to the fact that we are not alone...And I like the idea of it.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 3:26:59 PM   
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YES I believe,WE own a 150 year old farmhouse and in the master bedroom WE see a young woman in period clothes appear then disappears through the wall ,I explored while remodeling and found there use to be a door where she walks.She never looks at us ,just goes on about her business,I believe in reincarnation and have lived and died several past lifes...the dejvu we some times experience comes from living a past life..ITS not most of the dead we need to worry about but the living..as always just this ol" masters views on things..bounty


Bountyhunter, is she hot?
What does she look like?
Maybe you can capture her!

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/3/2007 3:29:48 PM   
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I tired to go down on a ghost before, I just ended up with a mouth full of webs and spiders....Very similiar to my experiences of meetings the subs off of CM.

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RE: Anyone believe in the supernatural? - 4/4/2007 12:41:45 AM   
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meatcleaver: So because this kind of experience has not happened to you, specifically, that is the reason you believe it can't possibly happen to anyone else? That is downright stupid.

- Susan


I have never said the experiences are stupid but the interpretation of the experiences are stupid.

Our senses only perceive a tiny fraction of what is happening around us (less than 1% if I remember rightly) because our senses are adequate for our survival and no more. That leaves an enormous amount of activity going on in our environment that we don't know about. It isn't strange to me that at some points something happens to bring our atttention to something we don't normally sense or perceive. However, to make the assumption that the supernatural exists because one can't think of an explanation  is to jump the gun and down right lazy thinking. I would bet my life on the fact no one will ever produce credible evidence that the physical laws of the universe are being broken.

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