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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:00:38 AM   
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 Please find words that I have posted that agree with what you state about me...

I am not upset by this, rather typical of people that  disagree with my position to state that I have said things I never did... and when did boycotting equal government interference or asking Big Brother for anything? And since when was asking that walmart support its own employees with medical care equal Big Brother being involved in my life?

I will give walmart this, they are for socialized medicine..... laughing my ass off at that... but it is ok, because they are walmart.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:19:51 AM   
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Please find words that I have posted that agree with what you state about me...


     

      It's in the little things, Julia, and, like most wannabe totalitarians, you conceal it well.  Maybe even from yourself.  Bringing you into the light ain't my job though, even if you support laws dictating what sort of bulb should generate it.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:22:39 AM   
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Please find words that I have posted that agree with what you state about me...


    

     It's in the little things, Julia, and, like most wannabe totalitarians, you conceal it well.  Maybe even from yourself.  Bringing you into the light ain't my job though, even if you support laws dictating what sort of bulb should generate it.


Typical, stating things without evidence as if that will make them fact without any proof whatsoever.... I am rather disappointed that you have to attack me based on nothing I have said here... that is your issue, not mine... and here I was thinking that perhaps you were a rather nice person, albeit misguided at times (in my opinion).... nope, I was wrong, and yes I can admit when i am mistaken about things.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:27:54 AM   
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I would like to add, I am not for executing anyone, I do not want to dictate where people shop, I just am here spreading information to people that might want to read it and have a problem with walmart's business practices. If the people attacking me do not have a problem with the reality that is walmart and want to shop there, this thread is not for them. But to attack me personally over my presentation of facts they have not refuted because these facts make them feel bad on some level is rather much.



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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:32:43 AM   
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Golly, I'm for executing folks.  Ok...not shoppers.  At least not all shoppers.  Anyway, on my list of people that the death penalty should be extended to is anyone that commits the common law crime of mayhem whether or not it results in the death of the victim.  So I'm a little off the subject...what of it?  Have you read what's up there????  I don't like Bryant Gumble either.  I would prefer it to be Giraldo Rivera so we could listen to him scream in his mock self righteousness every time the lever to the trap door was pulled. 

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:37:06 AM   
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      I make no claim to being a nice person, Julia.  I try to be, sometimes, and the nice way is normally the first approach to any given situation, but you were definitely wrong in that assumption.

    I'm still building from the impression I formed back when you wanted to apply a military draft of the offspring as a punitive measure against those you don't agree with.  A lot of hate that will show up on the outside of the package eventually.

    And the thing with mocking the belief system of a sibling you coerced into taking 'brain meds?'  I'm an asshole, but that is evil and sick.


     (gotta run to Wal-Mart if I'm going to pick up aspirin for these teeth before the after church crowd gets there.)

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:38:36 AM   
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And the thing with mocking the belief system of a sibling you coerced into taking 'brain meds?


Huh? Is this about my fundie brother? He is not on meds at all.... rather odd statement.

I have another brother who used to be on meds... I have two brothers. And I never coersed my brother to take anything even though he is mentally ill. You are the one bringing up a family tragedy that I posted for some political point... stop while you are ahead before you make yourself look even worse

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:47:59 AM   
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      I'm having a spot of trouble with the 'search' function for some reason (does LA offer tutorials, I wonder) but you described a confrontation and intervention.

  

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 10:53:45 AM   
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Hmmmm... my brother showed up at my home on my son's 5th birthday completely unconnected to reality not wearing shoes hearing voices. He then left my home. I had a choice, let him wander aimlessly perhaps harming himself or others, or calling 911 and having him picked up. I chose to have him picked up... I pray you never have to make that choice Rich, it was a heart wrenching one that I was forced to make to prevent my brother from harming himself. I did not know if he was on drugs or what.

He has a wonderful job, is stable and happy today. He is not a conservative either, nor is he a fundie... I love him dearly.

Bringing up this on a walmart thread to attack me does not make me evil Rich.... one finger pointing out at me, three pointing back at you....anything else you want to dredge up to try to score a point on me? How about my dad dying when I was 13?

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:01:37 AM   
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     Yes, because the awful, awful, capitalist system allowed his business to fail... 

     I suspect you and a toothache are a bad combination and I don't want Mod11 on my who's viewing me list.  Have a nice day.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:03:58 AM   
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I wonder if Wal-Mart sells peace pipes?

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:07:00 AM   
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Happy Easter Rich, I accept your apology for overstepping yourself and using my personal tragedies to try to beat me over the head to win a point on me... you know, all is fair in love and capitalism and all that jazz.

Back to the topic, what does everyone think of walmart wanting socialized medicine... sounds like they are more than willing to create more Big Brother in our life to keep their prices falling

I am for socialized medicine, so that aspect does not bother me much, but the free trade and capitalists supporting walmart business practices,... do you see a contradiction in backing the walmart business model and your belief that government programs like medical care for the poor as in conflict? How do you feel about walmart's support of socialized medicine?

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:17:40 AM   
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1) neglect for healthcare for employees


Nobody, corporate entity or otherwise, is obligated to provide healthcare for anyone. Employees became thus voluntarily, with full knowledge that the job did not come with health benefits. Responsibility for their healthcare is their own.

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2)driving mom and pops small town america out of business


Driven out of business by lower prices, greater selection, better service... and so on. People go out of business. Measures to soften the landing for such failures is fine, but Wal-mart superceding less efficient businesses is no reason for scorn.

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3) crime in Walmart parking lots


You can't be serious. Let's worry about crime in Orange Mound first.

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4)factory worker abuse in china and india


As shitty as conditions are in Chinese/Indian factories, the pay is much better. It is an objective step up. There's also the sovereignty issue...

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5) sexism and racism at their stores


Easily prosecutable on an individual basis, or if found to be institutionalized, on a corporate basis. If a court finds them guilty of discrimination, they pay up.

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6) union busting


Corporations can't collude, why can workers? And if workers are going to collude, why do they need some gang charging them money to do it? American unions are absurdly prone to corruption.

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7)subsidies that walmart gets from all levels of government


Subsidies of industry are the product of a corrupt government. I think they should all be cut off.

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8) citizens fighting to keep walmart out and winning.


Good for them. If they keep it up, eventually Wal-mart will be gone, and Target will be the new ruler of America. Maybe if they work hard enough, they can freeze their tiny towns in time, where life will always be perfect because nobody can buy Chinese shoes for 5 bucks.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:19:39 AM   
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FB, to my understanding, it is well established in law that a corporation has legal rights.


Privileges, actually. But yes. Their "rights" are EXACTLY what The People decide they are.

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A corporation does have stockholders who can be hurt when we attack the rights of the corporation.


No-one said there weren't risks to becoming an Artificial Legal Entity. The had an obligation to themselves to examine those risks. If they didn't, why the hell should I care?

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Wal-mart stock, symbol WMT, is held by many small investors. It is not a privately held corporation created to limit liability or what have you. I trade stocks actively. I can tell you that I would be upset if a corporation I owned stock in, even if only temporarily, was attacked unfairly.


T.S. & F.U. Who the hell cares what happens to your investment if you are too crappy an investor to keep the company you are responsible for under control. The choices are simple. Disincorporate, or Obey The People's Regulation.

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Many of you in retirement 401K plans at your job may even own Walmart via your fund.


Caveat Emptor. If you invest in shit, you will earn shit.


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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:22:01 AM   
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Corporations can't collude, why can workers? And if workers are going to collude, why do they need some gang charging them money to do it? American unions are absurdly prone to corruption.


I am soooo glad my Daddy is in a union, the strongest union in America... he is a longshoreman in LA, and their union is not corrupt, it is very democratic...

As for the rest of it, I take it you have no problem with walmart business practices... Good for you! Hopefully those falling prices will not fall on your head!

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:24:09 AM   
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1) neglect for healthcare for employees


Nobody, corporate entity or otherwise, is obligated to provide healthcare for anyone.


There are many nations where The People have decided that it's the role of their Government to provide healthcare. As The People, should WE, rather than the insurance companies get a voice in government, I'm sure we'd do the same.

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2)driving mom and pops small town america out of business


Driven out of business by lower prices, greater selection, better service.


Up until "better service" you almost had a point. Unfortunately, when you suggest that Wal-Mart offers better service than a local mom&pop, you're obviously drinking the kool-aid.



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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:28:48 AM   
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Ok i admit i havent read the 5 plus pages of post on walmart bashing. Walmart is a vital part of the american economy like it or not.  Its the largest chain department store in the world.
To OP:
I have worked at walmart ( granted it was over a decade ago). Even then  while they paid minimium wage their benefits for  even their part time workers was better than any other store i have seen. 
I shop at walmart because im not an idiot. im not going to a  mom and pop store and buy something  i can get at walmart  for 75% of that or less. I work hard for my money so why donate it to mom and pop?
Some things about Walmart that people dont realize:
1) If you took away all the walmarts right now the unemployment rate would rise  by a signicant  %. Walmart , while supplying low end jobs does supply alot of jobs, which is important in small town america where i live. We dont even have a super walmart( ours is the old  style before "super") and it employees more people than both grocery stores put togather plus has benefit packages.
2) Walmart is not  typically  the primary household income.  It is an addition to  the primary household income to most families.
3) Here is an example of a mom and pop store compared to walmart in prices. I have to drive 30 miles to a superwalmart that sells groceries. I wanted to see if it was worth the time and gas to drive  30 miles to do my shopping their. I made a shopping list. I bought only the stuff on the shopping list. It costed me $147.xx . I took the same shopping list to my favorite local store ( which is part of a chain but individually owned)  and bought only  what was on the shopping list. I spent $218.xx. I saved $75 by driving 30 miles to buy the same  thing i do locally. So why shop at mom and pop? so mom and pop can get rich and i go broke?
4) The unions hate walmart because walmart is not union. Unions are a joke, period. "give me money and ill let you work"....Thanks. As someone said the only reason  Unions are on walmart is because they want the money. Unions arent like  how they use to,  they dont protect workers  they protect the hand that fills their pocket. Ive had such dealings with unions. Ive seen people wronged by a business( go directly against the union rules) and the union did nothing about it. Why? because the business  handed them money to turn their heads.
5) This whole getting goods made in china  etc  and bad treatment of workers their. I hate to break the news to you but their is bad treatment of workers everywhere. its called the difference between being rich and poor.  As for everything made in china or india or korea. are you going to assemble walmart goods for 30 cents a day? I doubt it. The fact is if they paid americans to do it they would have to pay american wages. Which means they would have to raise the prices because they now have more overhead and they have to make a profit.  So the $7 an hour your making to make walmart goods is now passed to the customer which is you by the way  and now  your $7 is even more worthless because what use to cost $7 now cost $11. Its called economics. Making  goods in poor countries is acutally better for americans because it keeps inflation down. America like all first world countries has evolved. We are the market not the poor country that makes the goods for the market. 
4) Anytime you have a parking lot with 100 plus cars in it their is going to be crime on occassion.  Almost ever walmart i have seen has  security cameras outside.  What more do you want them to do have their own police station ( and actually in high crime neighborhoods they have a police substation)  and guard towers?

5) sexism and racism take  place everywhere. not just at walmart.  in  almost ever company. even  in BDSM. i had a sub ask me how i felt about jews. i was confused how am i suppose to feel? A jew is a jew, a  muslim is a muslim. She told me she was jewish, which dont bother me in the least. but apparently it bothers some people. It makes me think, why do people care so much about   labeling other people and stereotyping them? black is black and not all black people are the same you have your trashy  hoodlems but  their are  alot of classy and respectable black people too. Muslims ,not all muslims want to kill each other  and people from the west.  The sad part is that we are so quick to label people and so quick to  sterotype them. Just like we ourselves are sterotyped. You are sterotyped.  Come to my community dressed in leather and pvc. They are going to think  your cultist that violates womens rights and  tortures others  for your pleasure.. to them you are a satanist( sp?)  and pure evil. but how many of you are?  probably near 0. So while a little off topic, remember next time you stereotype someone  and define their race, religion or anything else as bad. remember your on the same side of the fence, because you are judged the same way.  And if you dont like to be judged  by a stereotype associated with your label, maybe you will think not to define someone else that way. And i see it here in the forums. I see the cones get defined as newbie. Yes they may be new to THIS site but  they could of been practicing BDSM before you were even thought about.

6) as i said i have a walmart store here. But the city board with much debate just passed a resolution to allow walmart to build a supercenter here.  its going to hurt the mom and pop stores here. but how many people benefit from mom and pop stores? mom and pop. you dont. you neighbor dont.  your community dont... just mom and pop. So you are sacrificing the good of the community for the sake of padding mom and pops store owners which make up less than 1/100th of the community. Building a supercenter here means a few things. One bigger store more jobs. 24 hour store more round the clock jobs. Which is great for a family with kids. 1 parent can work nights the other days.  Theirs not many places here you can work nights and for some families 1 person needs to work evenings /nights( highschool kids have evenings sewed up at most places)  our current walmart employees 25-30 people at least. superwalmart will almost double that number( depending on what else they put in it). lower prices means instead of spending that extra $75 on groceries they can spend it on school clothes or  school supplies or other things they need that arent as important as food. What a 4 person family spends on food a month, the difference between  the mom and pop and walmart can pay an electric bill or  1/2 the house payment or rent.  and that  is vital to low income small town families. While city people may make $13-$14 an hour  working at  a gas station , where i live, my trade( carpentry), barely pays that ( non union) and thats for a professional.  Walmart is a vital part of the american economy. And whether you like it or not, things would be worse if it didnt exist.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:29:38 AM   
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Up until "better service" you almost had a point. Unfortunately, when you suggest that Wal-Mart offers better service than a local mom&pop, you're obviously drinking the kool-aid


This is true...I love going to mainstreet USA to shop where it is still possible. Where Daddy lives the mainstreet is being revitalized, it is very bohemian in feel, and I love going there.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:29:47 AM   
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Happy Easter Rich, I accept your apology for overstepping yourself and using my personal tragedies to try to beat me over the head to win a point on me...



    Please find words of mine to this effect.

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RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices - 4/8/2007 11:31:57 AM   
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