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Lorgrom -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/8/2007 10:10:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Lorgrom quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Riveting documentary about Walmart http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925&q=genre%3Adocumentary&hl=en Now be honest, did anything in this video really suprise you? All they are doing is basic business practices. Would you rather Wal-mart pay thier employees just enough that the employee no longer qualifies for outside aid (which if Wal-mart really wanted to be a dick about it they would)? Imagin how much worse people and famlies would be. Lorgrom: Walmarts purpose is not to be a dick to their empolyes but rather to increase the bottom line. Paying marginally more would not have the desired effect on the bottom line so they will not do it. What they will do is feed at the public trough like the parasites that they are and mouth the rhetoric of free enterprise which is the last thing on their mind. They are the largest retailer in the U.S. why do they need to be subsidized by the tax payers. Let them operate as a free enterprise with no hand outs. No forgiven property tax. No special incentives to locate to this or that location. thompson Well to solve them feeding at the public trough, shoudn't the GOVERMENT remove said trough? As long as the goverment has the troughs, business will use them. That's just a basic business practice. You shouldn't be bitchen at Wal-mart for using a system our goverment put in place. Bitch at the goverment to have the troughs removed. Then Wal-mart will not get the subsidizes your complaining about.

MzMia -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/8/2007 10:20:50 PM)
I appreciate your post julia, though I am well aware of the walmart situation. I shop at walmart, and I enjoy going there. The walmart I go to, I also know a few of the employees there, we have discussed walmart and they tell me, they happen to enjoy working there. Of course for many, this is a part-time job for them. I will continue to enjoy shopping at walmart for the simple fact that I think MOST of all big business is full of crap, so I don't think it matters that much. If you look into the policies of most companies you will find so many things that disturb you, you would not be able to shop or eat or buy anything. So I am not going to target one store, I would just as soon target all of them, and then I would not be able to live. I shop at Walmart, I ENJOY shopping there, I usually spend $100 minimum and have bags and bags when I leave! I have bought large items like vacuum cleaners and used them and returned them with NO hassles! I even bought a nice hiphop dvd and could not find it in the car in my bags and bags I buy there, I went back in and the manager said, NO PROBLEM, go get another one! I love that place, this thread is making me want to go there tomorrow! [sm=mrpuffy.gif]

MzMia -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/8/2007 11:05:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl Englewood here in Chicago is also a predominantly a Black neighborhood and borders a Hispanic neighborhood called Back of the Yards (reference to the StockYards) and Hyde Park (yuppieville central and University of Chicago - where they're planning an Olympic stadium if Chicago gets picked). hey, if you don't want one in CA, send a Wal-Mart here to us! we need the economic growth and development ...we need the big businesses to come to our neighborhood not going to the ritzy part of Chicago which would be out of the way for many of our seniors and disabled who are on a fixed income ...this community is not thriving because jobs aren't readily available for residents here - high unemployment is a major factor. i would like to see my neighborhood grow into something better like they're trying to do on the westside in the Austin community (another predominantly Black neighborhood that has the same problem like Englewood). i grow tired of not seeing businesses taking little or no interest in my neighborhood yet they will first consider other communities like Wrigleyville, Rogers Park, or South Loop for an example. i working with an organization to help businesses see that Englewood is a good place to invest. good luck with your protest however we desperately need businesses like Wal-Mart, Target, etc to invest and rebuild in this community. i would like to see my community grow and prosper not downplayed for murder and high crime on the 10p news. i for one would like to shop and spend money within my own surroundings than put dollars back into the suburban coffers that wouldn't help/benefit my community. build a Wal-Mart here and the people will come. i should run for aldermanic office next time. end of rant have a nice day. I agree with EVERYTHING you have said on this thread, funny the Walmarts that I go to are in very,very nice well-heeled neighborhoods where the average price of the homes there are 400-600K. Odd isn't it? There is NO Walmart in Washington, D.C. and NO Walmart in MOST predominately black or poor neighborhoods in the MD/DC/VA area. I say MOST because the one I enjoy is in Bowie, MD that does happen to have the wealthiest Black community probably in the state of MD. Homes there average between 350-500K All the other ones in this area tend to be located again, only in the nicest areas of town. Ain't that funny? [;)]

MzMia -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/8/2007 11:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain Y'll get off of knocking Walmart. My only social life is the Walmart greeter. I go in and out just to talk to her. Every now and then I play the glass thing for 50 cents and try to win a stuffed whatever you call it. If you want to see low end, go to K-mart. They don't even have a greeter. I so fucking agree with this point! Where the hell is the K-Mart Greeter? I get the happy face stickers also, I put them on my hand. I love those fucking stickers, that is how I look when I leave with all my bags.[:D]

SusanofO -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/8/2007 11:21:40 PM)
Ex-Steel & Mz Mia: I like it that I can actually be a "member" at Sam's Club, too! It makes me feel like I'm "somebody" - not just anyone can become one, ya know...[;)] The stringency of the requirements to become a part of this Elite, are well-known. The commercially-oriented, brother-and-sisterhood of it all makes me feel so like a whole person. It's truly what's been "missing" all of these years, from my life. - Susan

seeksfemslave -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 1:44:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave With regard to Wal-Mart bashing surely the way the firm is operated is free enterprise in the raw. Isn't that the American way ? Until it starts to "work" of course ! seeksfemslav:e How can you clasify a company that demands and gets government subsidies to be in business as free enterprise. I thought by definition that was just the opposite. If they and you are for free enterprise then why do they do all the armtwisting to get a govenment handout...looks like welfare for the rich to me. thompson MrT the very next post to the one quoted above answers that point in a way that I had already done. ie legislators decide that overall, subsidies of the kind apparently given to Wal Mart generate positive economic results. I am well aware that even in the jolly old USA free enterprise in its true state may be treated with caution. lol Farming is a good example, tho' were not attempts made to break up IBM under anti trust legislation. Often for big subsidies US corporations come to Europe. Chrysler for example MrT I think you pick on me because you know I am not feeling well. Every morning I find more hair on my pillow. Since I sleep alone it must be mine. Sad what ?. he he he he he he he

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 4:16:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Ex-Steel & Mz Mia: I like it that I can actually be a "member" at Sam's Club, too! It makes me feel like I'm "somebody" - not just anyone can become one, ya know...[;)] The stringency of the requirements to become a part of this Elite, are well-known. The commercially-oriented, brother-and-sisterhood of it all makes me feel so like a whole person. It's truly what's been "missing" all of these years, from my life. - Susan Never thought of it that way...LOL, Comrade Shopper Susan. Meet me there one day and I'll take you to lunch by walking around and eating those sample things all over the store. Power to the people.

justheather -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 5:59:43 AM)
IMO Walmart is bad for the planet because it feeds our country's addiction to consumption. Maybe there are people who cant afford to shop anywhere else (try the salvation army, goodwill, etc, you'd be amazed at the quality stuff you can get there for almost nothing...), but it seems to me that most people shop there (Walmart) because they can buy more with the money they have, not because they can get things they need for less money.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 6:09:04 AM)
Well I'm definately against that....people making their own choices I mean.!!

MsLadySue -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 6:43:50 AM)
I watched the video and it definitely got my back up. I have seldom shopped there simply because I don't find their prices to be lower than my local Zellers. I would love to see some people here in Canada come forward with claims for overtime they were not paid for. Where I'm employed we have legislation, The Employment Standards Act, which ensures companies pay their employees for all hours worked. Our staff would have a field day auditing employee records.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 7:03:26 AM)
Remove the imbedded tax that most companies have to pay by moving to Fair Tax http://www.fairtax.org/ Products will cost less, tax revenue will increase based upon what you spend (the rich spend more so they would pay more), and companies will be able to use that savings to gove better benefits. The stimulation to the economy would be beyond anything ever seen and companies would trip over each other trying to bring their businesses back to the US. Wal Mart would have to compete for the consumers and for the better employees. Orion

thompsonx -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 7:30:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway You do all of the arm twisting BECAUSE YOU CAN!!! If you don't like that Wal-Mart can get subsidies are reduced property taxes, etc., write to your Congressman. Don't blame Wal-Mart for taking advantage of laws that are in their favor. Jesus...that's rediculous. Would you take advantage of free health care if you could get it? Ok...I'm opposed to Wal-Mart getting subsidies. I'm also opposed to people who are perfectly healthy, mind you, receiving Section 8 housing when most of us have to pay fair market rent, etc. But as long as Section 8 is available, you can't blame people for taking advantage of it...even though it is certainly at your expense. lockedaway: It appears that you are saying it is ok to be an economic bully. That it is right and proper to use your economic power to pervert the free market system. But to do so and then stand back and claim to be a bastion of free enterprise seems to me to be hypocrisy at its highest level. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 7:34:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave With regard to Wal-Mart bashing surely the way the firm is operated is free enterprise in the raw. Isn't that the American way ? Until it starts to "work" of course ! seeksfemslav:e How can you clasify a company that demands and gets government subsidies to be in business as free enterprise. I thought by definition that was just the opposite. If they and you are for free enterprise then why do they do all the armtwisting to get a govenment handout...looks like welfare for the rich to me. thompson MrT the very next post to the one quoted above answers that point in a way that I had already done. ie legislators decide that overall, subsidies of the kind apparently given to Wal Mart generate positive economic results. I am well aware that even in the jolly old USA free enterprise in its true state may be treated with caution. lol Farming is a good example, tho' were not attempts made to break up IBM under anti trust legislation. Often for big subsidies US corporations come to Europe. Chrysler for example MrT I think you pick on me because you know I am not feeling well. Every morning I find more hair on my pillow. Since I sleep alone it must be mine. Sad what ?. he he he he he he he seeksfemslave: You seem to be saying that it is right to bribe but not to be bribed. I only pick on you because I am lazy and you are such an easy target. I too have suffered the same pillow problem. I have solved the problem by combing out my pubic hair and bringing it up over my back and doing a comb over.[;)] thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 7:38:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justheather IMO Walmart is bad for the planet because it feeds our country's addiction to consumption. Maybe there are people who cant afford to shop anywhere else (try the salvation army, goodwill, etc, you'd be amazed at the quality stuff you can get there for almost nothing...), but it seems to me that most people shop there (Walmart) because they can buy more with the money they have, not because they can get things they need for less money. justheather: I agree. I do not shop at wallmart because I have better sources. thompson

LadyIce -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 7:48:55 AM)
Thanks for the thread, I am on my way out the door to Wal-mart. I wish I had stock in that company, I could retire early.

farglebargle -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 8:25:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyIce Thanks for the thread, I am on my way out the door to Wal-mart. I wish I had stock in that company, I could retire early. Yeah, but then you'd share the moral responsibility for the death caused by Wal-Mart security of their own customer in the parking lot. quote: "About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,' " Portz said. He said another employee brought a rug for Driver to lie on, but one of those holding Driver said he was fine where he was. "After about five minutes, (Driver) said, 'I'm dying, I can't breathe, call an ambulance,' " Portz said. Employees struggled with Driver before he was handcuffed, Martin said. "There was a struggle, and when they finally succeeded after getting him detained in handcuffs, he continued to struggle," Martin said. After Driver was handcuffed, Portz said one employee had his knee on the man's neck and others were putting pressure on his back. "Finally the guy stopped moving" and the employees got off him, Portz said. "They wouldn't call an ambulance." "I looked at him and said, 'Hey, he's not breathing,' but one guy told me (Driver) was just on drugs. I told them his fingernails were all gray, and finally they called an ambulance."

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 8:27:21 AM)
if you want to go to a Target, you either have the option of going to one in the South Loop (homes range from $450,000 to $1.5 mil), the locations near McKinley Park/Bridgeport (working/middle class) or the burbs. there's a Target in a predominantly black neighborhood however you have to travel to the southeast side of town to get there. something like Target or Wal-Mart wouldn't have much competition where i live because there are no mom-n-pop stores here to begin with. oh we have plenty of chicken and rib shacks, liquor stores, currency exchanges and Family Dollar stores - yet no big name or superstore here. don't want the evil entity known as Wal-Mart in your neighborhood or town, send it my way. you may not like how they conduct business at least in this poor neighborhood they would provide something desperately needed - JOBS!

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 8:42:40 AM)
another point i would like to make. while everyone is picking on Wal-Mart because it's an easy bullseye target, i don't see anyone taking up arms against the dollar stores (yes, they have merchandise made in China, etc too) or any other big name store in your area. when you're finished beating Wal-Mart to death, are you go after the other stores and protest them too? it would seem to me a double standard to protest the easy bullseye and continue to shop at the other stores knowing full and well they have merchandise made in China too. even our American flag (depending where you bought yours) was probably made in China. my point is if you're going bullseye Wal-Mart, you might as well take your protest to the highest level and boycott every single American business in the USA. not everything you own is made in the USA.

justheather -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 11:56:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave Well I'm definately against that....people making their own choices I mean.!! I dont agree with the values held by many of the consumers in this country. How does expressing this make me against personal choice? I dont eat at McDonalds, either, because their "food" is nutritionally empty, tasteless, mass-produced, genetically modified waste. Walmart sells junk. McDonalds sells junk. We are a nation addicted to consuming junk. I find this disturbing. Guess that makes me a communist.

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/9/2007 2:30:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl another point i would like to make. while everyone is picking on Wal-Mart because it's an easy bullseye target, i don't see anyone taking up arms against the dollar stores (yes, they have merchandise made in China, etc too) or any other big name store in your area. Wink You won't see Me talking against the dollar stores! I think I have the best damn Dollar Tree in the Valley of the Sun and I make a list each month and then walk in with My $11 and change, knowing I will walk out with ten needed items for much less that I would pay at the drug store. I do still have to pay the sales tax which is entirely too high! For those who say that they dollar stores have junk, I agree...there is some junk. There is also some good and necessary merchandise. A 16 oz bottle of Agree Shampoo that would cost Me $2.49 to $2.99 (or more) at Walgreens is a single buck at the dollar store. I buy shampoo, conditioner, greeting cards (4 for a dollar!), q-tips, toothpaste, toothbrushes, mouthwash, body wash, gift bags, school supplies, office suppies etc. I am not a junk shopper. I don't buy things just because I can. I realize some people do. I am probably like Susan's father in that I get bit of a thrill when I get necessary items for less than the norm. It is very satisfying for some silly reason. I admit I do not shop at Walmart, mainly because there is not one that is that convenient to Me. If I had one closer to Me, I might not like it...I really don;t know. But I will make the trip if there is a good sale on something I need. I am a discerning shopper, and I would always look for the best buy. If they advertise something, such as the computer I am using at this moment, for several hundred dollars less than the nearest competitor, guess where I am going? In fact, I had to get directions to the store which was about 14 miles from Me, after I discussed the purchase with a knowledgeable friend. And I have a 17" flat screen monitor now too! Smile This is the same computer, from the same manufacturer which would sell for several hundred dollars more at Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, et al. Yes, I checked! So for those who say that people just buy junk because they can get more for their money, I agree. You will always have some people who will do that. My brother is a manufacturer's sales rep. He has his own business doing this. One of his companies tried to push him into increasing the sales of more expensive garden hoses to a chain store branch (no, not Walmart!) that services a lower income community. The manufacturer was disappointed that higher end, more expensive garden hose orders were not forthcoming in this area. My brother had to patiently explain to the manufacturer that the consumers in this area could afford the $5.00 hose. Even though they would have to buy another $5 hose next year, they had $5 right now for a hose. Telling them that buying a $15 hose would last them 5 years and made more economic sense did not work. Because they did not have the $15 to spend! So the manufacturer had a choice. Either pull out of the sale completely, because it wasn't good enough for them, or settle for the sale that made sense to the store. My brother is still selling the $5 hoses to that store. There ya go!

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