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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 6:13:43 AM   
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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:15:47 AM   
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God hates collars. but yet loves dollars....Hmmmm silly God.


Or, rather, the average church hates collars, yet loves dollars. Unless G*d is one of us, there would be little use for dollars, wouldn't there?

And, as fadeddreams pointed out, the Bible does contain a fair bit of stuff that can be applied to D/s. Bear in mind that the church found "justification" for slavery in the Bible up to the point when it would be too politically unacceptable for the church to keep having slaves.

Although I'm not sure that the part about wives submitting to their husbands being in the Old Testament; I'm fairly certain that is in the New Testament, which was rather heavily influenced by Paul and his line. Bearing in mind that Paul was rather misogynistic, attested to in e.g. the Gospel of Thomas, it makes sense how the Bible could end up tainted by his views.

I don't think this was the case for the quotes about slaves serving their Masters, though. The Old Testament has rules about how to treat slaves better, and the New Testament has statements to the effect that slaves shouldn't take the opportunity to become free, but rather put their heart into serving their Masters with full dedication, as if they were serving G*d directly, something that it is also implied that they do by proxy.

That said, I'm fairly certain the Bible has the intention of discouraging involuntary slavery, something that at least Jewish scholars appear to agree with me on. For further details about this, see my earlier post about this.


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:20:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eh.. faith has never done a damn thing for me personally. It doesn't make me feel better during a crisis, it offers me no answers that I can't just figure out on my own. I don't need it as an ethics framework, either. I guess there's no practical use for religion or spirituality at all in my world.

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:26:23 AM   
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Don't care who responds here, sub, Domme, male, female. Do you practice any form of religion, and if so what? Has your interest in D/s affected your religion, religous practices, or religous beliefs in any way shape or from?
Did your interest in D/s ever make you think about switching religions, or possibly cause you to stop believing in religion, maybe as a contributing factor?

12 years of Catholic school and insomnia over Easter weekend, can make someone wrestle with moral issues...lol.


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:33:21 AM   
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Why do you think God have anything against you being a willing slave? Do it hurt you? Set you back Spiritualy? Do it harm others? If no, why hould God have a problem whit this? The Church might, but the Church i not God, they are a bunch of pepole trying to make money of Him/Her/It. At least in my opinion.


Free will being the most sacred gift of all, I do not think G*d would have anything against one person willingly entering into slavery, and as I pointed out, even involuntary slaves, if Christian, are encouraged to serve their Master with dedication and decline any opportunity to become free. Something about serving G*d by proxy.

The only place in the bible that directly denounces slavery is a mistranslated verse in Timothy; this verse originally states something to the effect that unlawfully making a person a slave, or stealing properly owned slaves, is equivalent to murder.

The part about not denouncing legal slavery, which throughout history has usually included the option of selling oneself into slavery, coupled with a fairly clear intention that unwilling slavery is a Bad Thing(tm), is kind of interesting in the context of D/s, as it pretty much conforms to a good slave ethic: a Master should force slavery upon anyone, but a slave should be dedicated to his/her Master.

If these things are taken to their logical conclusion in a libertarian world that permits a person to exert their free will over themselves without restraint, then following the intent of the Bible ideally leads to a world in which unwilling slavery is prohibited and does not occur, while voluntary slavery is a sacred institution wherein Masters care properly for their slaves and slaves pour their heart into serving their Masters.

And, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, there's this thing about having been given a nature that one has a divine obligation to fulfill. If your soul is crying out to be enslaved, you have an obligation to be a slave, although you have the free will to refuse that obligation. Similarly, if your soul is of such a nature as to crave the posession of slaves, you have an obligation to help these slaves fulfill their obligation by owning them.

Again, free will is the most sacred gift of all, and willingly submitting to another person becomes a sacrament in its own right, while willing slavery becomes a sacred institution.

Yes, I'd say my faith definitely affects my D/s life.


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:39:44 AM   
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Don't care who responds here, sub, Domme, male, female. Do you practice any form of religion, and if so what? Has your interest in D/s affected your religion, religous practices, or religous beliefs in any way shape or from?
Did your interest in D/s ever make you think about switching religions, or possibly cause you to stop believing in religion, maybe as a contributing factor?

12 years of Catholic school and insomnia over Easter weekend, can make someone wrestle with moral issues...lol.


i believe Gawd exists in E/everyone's world, but i don't proletize.  imma devote Catholic and have many, many issues with the Church, but D/s isn't onna them.
 
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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:47:14 AM   
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Eh.. faith has never done a damn thing for me personally. It doesn't make me feel better during a crisis, it offers me no answers that I can't just figure out on my own. I don't need it as an ethics framework, either. I guess there's no practical use for religion or spirituality at all in my world.


Good for you. Religions are codified so that they can offer solace and guidance for those who need it, but spiritual experience is internal, not external. That said, if someone finds solace and/or comfort in a religion that they don't find on their own, that's good for them.

And as for guidance, there are worse guides to ethics than scripture, unless of course you read it literally, without accounting for the passing of two or more millenia since the original context.

I think that, if you are familiar with them, you can agree that following the guidelines in the scriptures, even literally, back in the time when it was written, would improve quality of life. Doing so now, when we have evolved spiritually (in the Japanese sense of this concept; seishin-teki kyoyo, refining the heart), is counterproductive, yet (pardon the use of math for this argument) constructing a vector from the point before the Bible was written, to the point where its guidelines are followed, and continuing this vector into infinity, is IMO a good blueprint for future guidelines.

Reading the Bible, and seeing how some do so, it gets pretty frustrating sometimes, as it becomes apparent that people are following the words, not the intention. No wonder Zen chose to emphasize direct experience, rather than leaving a written record.


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:47:40 AM   
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Don't care who responds here, sub, Domme, male, female. Do you practice any form of religion, and if so what? Has your interest in D/s affected your religion, religous practices, or religous beliefs in any way shape or from?
Did your interest in D/s ever make you think about switching religions, or possibly cause you to stop believing in religion, maybe as a contributing factor?

12 years of Catholic school and insomnia over Easter weekend, can make someone wrestle with moral issues...lol.


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I do speak with God quite frequently....And it's true...God hates you. I mean he really, really hates you!!!!

And God does like money....However he is currently using all monetary contributions to hoard gold.

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 7:55:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		thank you for the clarification....just goes to show how meaningless life is. i feel much better now that my suspicions have been confirmed.


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:15:03 AM   
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if there is a God, he hates me.
Why do you think so?
 
The Creator may seem indifferent, but he does care. He just may not intervene, as that would defeat the purpose of his creation.
 
The Divine grants your wishes whenever feasible. What did you wish for that you are unhappy? Why do not you love yourself?
 
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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:17:17 AM   
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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:19:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		oh Michael, that's just nonsense.  I don't think God zeros in on any one person.

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:20:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		No need to thank me!....I thought you might feel better knowing that all of the awful things that have befallen you were not due to blind luck of just bad timing...But part of a much larger divine plan....You are really screwed....It definitely sucks to be you!!!

At the least I hope you find some peace in the realization of how much The Almighty despises you.

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:21:34 AM   
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if there is a God, he hates me.



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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:22:03 AM   
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No need to thank me!....I thought you might feel better knowing that all of the awful things that have befallen you were not due to blind luck of just bad timing...But part of a much larger divine plan....You are really screwed....It definitely sucks to be you!!!


i'm glad you are here to set the record straight...i would have gone my whole life guessing...now that i know for sure...maybe i can rest in peace



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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:23:23 AM   
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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:25:14 AM   
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And, Michael, I don't think you or anyone else is all that damned important in God's eyes.  He has a lot more to worry about than fucking up your life.  I'm not picking on you, but Jesus man...why not go and visit those who really do have it bad?  I'm serious.  Then, you'd find something to be thankful for.

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:36:29 AM   
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And, Michael, I don't think you or anyone else is all that damned important in God's eyes.  He has a lot more to worry about than fucking up your life.  I'm not picking on you, but Jesus man...why not go and visit those who really do have it bad?  I'm serious.  Then, you'd find something to be thankful for.


Look dude, I can't speak for the big guy...But I would consider this to be a very, very bad idea....It would almost be like you were taunting God....Let's say you actually find someone worse off....Then you're going to think something like, "Wow...I do feel better! At least I have my legs and eyes."....

Trust me....If you want to lose your eyes and legs then take bandit's approach....Dude, if I were you I would lay low....'Cuz God hates you and I think the dude derives some sort of pleasure out of seeing you in misery.

Oh by the way!  Happy Easter!!!

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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 8:41:57 AM   
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That is simply rediculous....The Lord prefers that I wear darker colors...Because he feels that a single dark color, preferably black, is more appealing and gives me a little more of  a slimmer look.   Only slender and beautiful people can go to heaven


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RE: Does God exist in your world? - 4/8/2007 9:51:40 AM   
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