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Real slaves - 4/18/2005 11:22:01 AM   
slaveanwyl


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Status: offline 		Masters i would ask a question

a girl who is prospective 2nd slave told me that i was not a real slave because my Master is involving me in the decision process and because he allowed his alpha slave to go off and explore other areas of the lifestyle and because of this we were not real slaves..

W/we live in a TPE household and Master has full control over every aspect of both girls lives so i fail to see what is a real slave in comparrison to a slave who lives 24/7 with her Master and this is the only aspect her Master has allowed any input into because it effects her ..

and Master is not of the mind to cause disruption to a very happy household..
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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 11:31:14 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		What's the question?

Are you a real slave?

*sprinkling slave dust over you*

Now you're a REAL slave.

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 11:47:07 AM   
LordWraith


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Status: offline 		Greetings All,
Never be to concerned about another person's opinion of your D/s situation, unless that person lives within it. We all have an idea of how a D/s relation should be lived, even if that Relation is M/s, and I am pretty comfortable stating, most every opinion in the world is different.

Concern yourself only with the relation(s) within your own family. Those will be the relations that matter to you. There may be good reason your Master seeks to know your mind, whether he would base his decision on it or not, such things are not yours to contemplate. Rather you could feel blessed and cherrish the fact he did ask.

Lord Wraith
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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 12:31:29 PM   
BobcatsLilMinx


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Status: offline 		Sometimes I think that if I hear the phrase "real slave" or "real Master" from one more person, they'll be finding my very real hands wringing their neck.

Damn, I guess that doesn't make me a "real slave"!

[proceeds to throttle self]

Ok, momentary blip between the Minxes. Point is: You're real, I'm real, we're all "real". We all exist, none of us are sword-swinging characters that stepped out of a fantasy novel.

There are a lot of people out there who will tell you I'm not a real slave. I have my own opinions *gasp!*, I don't treat every Tom Dick and Harry like he's God *double gasp!*, and my slavery isn't the sole point of my existence. *keels over in a dead faint!*

But go and ask my Master if I'm a slave or not. A "real slave" even, if you like.

If your Master is happy with what you give him, thats all that matters. And don't let anyone else tell you different, it's his pleasure with your service and submission that matters, and submitting to him in the way that suits you both the best, and to the best of your abilities, makes you more of a "real" slave than fretting about someone else's opinions ever will.

Minx and Fred
(the one that left before Tom, Dick and Harry got famous)

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 1:32:34 PM   
SweetDommes


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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl

Masters i would ask a question

a girl who is prospective 2nd slave told me that i was not a real slave because my Master is involving me in the decision process and because he allowed his alpha slave to go off and explore other areas of the lifestyle and because of this we were not real slaves..

W/we live in a TPE household and Master has full control over every aspect of both girls lives so i fail to see what is a real slave in comparrison to a slave who lives 24/7 with her Master and this is the only aspect her Master has allowed any input into because it effects her ..

and Master is not of the mind to cause disruption to a very happy household..


If your Master has asked for your input, as a slave, you are obligated to give it to him... Personally, if that is the way that this prospective slave feels, then she must not feel that your Master is a "real Master" either, as he actually cares about your feelings and wants you to learn even if it is not with him, because everyone knows that a "real Master" doesn't give a shit about his property and only wants them there to look at and maybe play with on occation *rolls eyes* [/sarcasm]

Why is it that so many don't understand the concept of improving the value of property, or that a happy slave/sub serves better than an unhappy one? Why is it that so many in this lifestyle (including some who are looking to be slaves) think that slaves are supposed to be gagged at all times except when they are allowed to eat from the dog's food bowl? Bah. It's silly.

Don't worry about what this other person says about how 'real' or 'not real' you are - your Master and you are the only two who can determine that.

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 1:58:19 PM   
passionpromise


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This girl reads the posts and this girl listens and watches and accepts O/other's views as E/each are individuals. Everyone practises in different ways....HOWEVER....this issue of "real slave" and how it is defined has ruffled feathers and to be certain it is not the first time. Firstly the word slave has been around for 1,000's of years. It is most basic form. It is the owned property of someone else that is bought or sold and yes even stolen and can be done with in the soul purpose of its Owner. Yes put on a pedastal or beaten beyond recognition, yes even snuffed. That is simply fact. And sticking one's head into the sand and pretending otherwise is just plain ridiculous. Redefining the word to make it have a pretty attraction gives false pretense to what it factually is...But if it eases your conscience....

In this lifestyle in order for persons to accept the word slave and the lifestyle in social aspects or vanilla life and in an attempt to make people not fear the lifestyle, persons have simply redefined this word (slave). Something similar to the the word "marriage". "Oh yes of course i am slave, but it is voluntary, or it is a gift, or it is when i feel like it i wanna be." "It is always safe and sane and concentual" Well fact is fact. A slave is a commodity, an object, it has a price. It is not always safe, nor is it sane and as slave most definitely not always consensual. So if people wish to use the term "slave" at least use it in the correct context. Understand the true depths of what such a word means. Since when does a slave turn to a Master/Mistress and dictate?..Since when does a slave have the right to turn around and dismiss themselves from their Owner? Since when does a slave have rights period? A girl has no qualms with a Master "extending" certain rights to what is His/Hers out of the value that that slave has shown and proven. But to simply say that a slave "has" rights ....for the life of her...she can not phathom. Perhaps the difference between fairytale lifestyle and fact.
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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 2:32:54 PM   
darkinshadows


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As this is a question to Masters, Demons response to this question simply was...

What right has any person, to dictate how true or real my own slave is? I command my slave, anyone elses thoughts are not mine or her regard. If a slave who I was considering bringing in as a second to my alpha(If I wanted one) would accept my decision or not be mine. Her thoughts would be mine, and I would settle for nothing else. Peace or no peace, my decisions is final.

Peace and Love

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 2:34:59 PM   
darkinshadows


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passion, let Angel greet you to the forum. Please feel welcome.
It occurs that your Master has allowed us to be blessed by your presence.

Wonderful first post. Thank You!
I could not have said better... looking forward to more!

Peace and Love

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 3:43:43 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: passionpromise
Since when does a slave turn to a Master/Mistress and dictate?

Hmm I generally agree with you but what was described was hardly dictating anything, merely offering input and perspective- which the master obviously was encouraging, so to NOT give input would be disobedient.

quote:

..Since when does a slave have the right to turn around and dismiss themselves from their Owner?

I dunno, it hasn't been mentioned in this thread so far.
quote:

Since when does a slave have rights period?

Again, hasn't been mentioned in this thread.

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 4:38:45 PM   
lil1v


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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl

Masters i would ask a question

a girl who is prospective 2nd slave told me that i was not a real slave because my Master is involving me in the decision process and because he allowed his alpha slave to go off and explore other areas of the lifestyle and because of this we were not real slaves..


Please tell me your Master isn't accepting this moron into your household... Any one who says you aren't a real slave is only showing how little respect they have for your Master.

Besides who is to tell you what you are other than your Master? who else has that right? NO ONE.

I think I'm going to help Minx out on her strangling the next person who says "real slave" or "real Master"..

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 6:12:52 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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quote:

Masters i would ask a question

a girl who is prospective 2nd slave told me that i was not a real slave because my Master is involving me in the decision process and because he allowed his alpha slave to go off and explore other areas of the lifestyle and because of this we were not real slaves..

W/we live in a TPE household and Master has full control over every aspect of both girls lives so i fail to see what is a real slave in comparrison to a slave who lives 24/7 with her Master and this is the only aspect her Master has allowed any input into because it effects her ..

and Master is not of the mind to cause disruption to a very happy household..


What do you really care what some girl from the internet says to you? If you are confident in your station and are confident in your Master, that's really all that should matter.

Good luck,
Lily

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 7:02:24 PM   
FuriousAngel


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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

What's the question?

Are you a real slave?

*sprinkling slave dust over you*

Now you're a REAL slave.


OMG! I near choked when I read this! Comedy! Nobody told me there was slave dust!

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 7:05:03 PM   
SweetDommes


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quote:

ORIGINAL: FuriousAngel

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

What's the question?

Are you a real slave?

*sprinkling slave dust over you*

Now you're a REAL slave.


OMG! I near choked when I read this! Comedy! Nobody told me there was slave dust!



You never asked

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 8:38:35 PM   
junecleaver


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quote:

What's the question?

Are you a real slave?

*sprinkling slave dust over you*

Now you're a REAL slave.


Me next!

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RE: Real slaves - 4/18/2005 8:40:52 PM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		You can barely go five posts without having to hear something about wannabe's and fakers. It seems like some are more concerned with people they consider fake than actual BDSM discussion.

However you choose to enjoy BDSM is real for you and your partner. Unless whatsherface has a copy of the ten BDSM commandments, I'd ignore her.

On a side note, that's very rude of her. You should tell your Master about this behavior. When she insults his property, she insults him.

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RE: Real slaves - 4/19/2005 4:40:02 AM   
LordODiscipline


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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl

Masters i would ask a question

a girl who is prospective 2nd slave told me that i was not a real slave because my Master is involving me in the decision process and because he allowed his alpha slave to go off and explore other areas of the lifestyle and because of this we were not real slaves..

W/we live in a TPE household and Master has full control over every aspect of both girls lives so i fail to see what is a real slave in comparrison to a slave who lives 24/7 with her Master and this is the only aspect her Master has allowed any input into because it effects her ..

and Master is not of the mind to cause disruption to a very happy household..

Please, inform this girl (this 'prospective second slave') that she is making a subjective determination about your relationship with your owner; and, that as such:
1. she is completely out of line,
2. completely berefit of the manners that God granted a gnat, and
3. completely out of contention for consideration in the relationship.

~J

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RE: Real slaves - 4/19/2005 7:01:39 AM   
cellogrrlMK


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BobcatsLilMinx

Sometimes I think that if I hear the phrase "real slave" or "real Master" from one more person, they'll be finding my very real hands wringing their neck.

Damn, I guess that doesn't make me a "real slave"!

[proceeds to throttle self]

Ok, momentary blip between the Minxes. Point is: You're real, I'm real, we're all "real". We all exist, none of us are sword-swinging characters that stepped out of a fantasy novel.

There are a lot of people out there who will tell you I'm not a real slave. I have my own opinions *gasp!*, I don't treat every Tom Dick and Harry like he's God *double gasp!*, and my slavery isn't the sole point of my existence. *keels over in a dead faint!*

But go and ask my Master if I'm a slave or not. A "real slave" even, if you like.

If your Master is happy with what you give him, thats all that matters. And don't let anyone else tell you different, it's his pleasure with your service and submission that matters, and submitting to him in the way that suits you both the best, and to the best of your abilities, makes you more of a "real" slave than fretting about someone else's opinions ever will.

Minx and Fred
(the one that left before Tom, Dick and Harry got famous)


Minx, I just want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts! They show a wisdom beyond your years (yeah, I know, you're 21 but hell, you could be my daughter!)

This post is great! Not just as good advice to everyone, but the last paragraph is near and dear to me personally. You rule, thanks for helping me start my day

cello

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RE: Real slaves - 4/19/2005 10:16:48 AM   
slaveanwyl


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in answer to your question is he acceptng her, i very much doubt he will cannot say much but trouble was brewing emails to Master saying one thing and chats to me saying another good job i archive chats for Master is all i can say..

love anwyl

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RE: Real slaves - 4/19/2005 10:22:43 AM   
slaveanwyl


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Status: offline 		LordODiscipline Sir

thankyou for your comments Sir , the fact is Master has given me the job of talking to her and i dislike her very much after yesterdays antics , spoke to me nicley and for quite a while then mails Master and says i was awful to her good job i had archived my chat and sent it Master i cant have a sister slave who is intent on disrupting what i have with Master but Master is dealing with her now Sir

thankyou again Sir

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RE: Real slaves - 4/19/2005 12:18:58 PM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		Good for you anwyl - I always archive conversations with potential boys - for much the same reasons (although partly because then I can just tell Holly to read them and I don't have to remember every thing LOL). We have had a couple of instances where the boy was behaving one way towards me and another way towards Holly, and me archiving it convinced her that he would never work out because he was only submissive towards her. Archiving things and saving e-mails is a very good idea IMO ... it can save a lot of time and trouble down the road when things happen.

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