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RE: Real slaves - 5/1/2005 6:24:10 AM   
darkinshadows


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: dragonofjapan
I own a car. It is my property. I can do with it exactly what I want. I have noticed when it has no oil in its engine, no amount of beating makes it run better.

Some of the greatest architects, generals, administrators of city states were slaves.

Pushing the "stop" button, never seems to make my CD player play music.

When trying to get the herd moving in ONE direction, it is easier to have all in the herd facing in the same direction.

You are not "real" people, just figments of your own imagination.

Zip


I need an alert for whenever you post, you brilliant man ;)

- LA


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RE: Real slaves - 6/14/2005 5:15:15 PM   
biflover327


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That slut is jelouse and wants your job as #1 thats why if I was to have a second slave my #1 slave while still my sub must be able to switch in order to brutally punish the second in order to keep things in order, its her job!

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RE: Real slaves - 6/16/2005 10:10:50 PM   
StrictNYDom


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It doesn't matter what anyone elxe thinks about you. As a slave, you should only be concerned with pleasing your Master. It's irrelevant what someone else's slave thinks. My opiion...her Master hasn't tought her respect when speaking to another one in the lifestyle...It's not that slave's place to discuss or critque how your Master trains you and permits you to exist. Only worry about obeying and pleeasing your owner.

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RE: Real slaves - 6/17/2005 5:35:03 AM   
MsSilvie


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There is a world of difference between consensual slavery found in BDSM and "real" slavery. Slavery isn't a legal institution in the modern western society. Should master decide to snuff a slave on the courthouse steps, master certainly finds himself in jail for a very long time. No amount of delusional arguments of "she was my property, she didn't have rights" will make any difference. The law in the US recognizes that people have the right to withdraw consent. This is why, for example, a husband can be legally guilty of raping his wife. The case of Nebraska vs. Van is an example of that with that in regards to BDSM.

As far as slaves having rights, again, I believe everyone, by the fact that they are human, has rights. History is full of examples of slaves "dismissing themselves" or otherwise escaping because they wanted freedom. Even if you want to look at examples of laws from different times and cultures where slavery was a legal status, many times, there were provisions that the owners had to provide a certain level of care, and often the slave could purchase themselves, if they had the money to do so.

Again, bottom line, consensual slavery is not "real", it is an agreement made between people that can be broken. In such a relationship, the owner wouldn't have to consult or get the slave's approval for anything. My personal feeling is that it's a pretty shortsighted owner that at least doesn't at least take into consideration what the slave wants or needs in a situation.

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ORIGINAL: passionpromise

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This girl reads the posts and this girl listens and watches and accepts O/other's views as E/each are individuals. Everyone practises in different ways....HOWEVER....this issue of "real slave" and how it is defined has ruffled feathers and to be certain it is not the first time. Firstly the word slave has been around for 1,000's of years. It is most basic form. It is the owned property of someone else that is bought or sold and yes even stolen and can be done with in the soul purpose of its Owner. Yes put on a pedastal or beaten beyond recognition, yes even snuffed. That is simply fact. And sticking one's head into the sand and pretending otherwise is just plain ridiculous. Redefining the word to make it have a pretty attraction gives false pretense to what it factually is...But if it eases your conscience....

In this lifestyle in order for persons to accept the word slave and the lifestyle in social aspects or vanilla life and in an attempt to make people not fear the lifestyle, persons have simply redefined this word (slave). Something similar to the the word "marriage". "Oh yes of course i am slave, but it is voluntary, or it is a gift, or it is when i feel like it i wanna be." "It is always safe and sane and concentual" Well fact is fact. A slave is a commodity, an object, it has a price. It is not always safe, nor is it sane and as slave most definitely not always consensual. So if people wish to use the term "slave" at least use it in the correct context. Understand the true depths of what such a word means. Since when does a slave turn to a Master/Mistress and dictate?..Since when does a slave have the right to turn around and dismiss themselves from their Owner? Since when does a slave have rights period? A girl has no qualms with a Master "extending" certain rights to what is His/Hers out of the value that that slave has shown and proven. But to simply say that a slave "has" rights ....for the life of her...she can not phathom. Perhaps the difference between fairytale lifestyle and fact.
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RE: Real slaves - 6/17/2005 5:58:46 AM   
stormsfate


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Should master decide to snuff a slave on the courthouse steps, master certainly finds himself in jail for a very long time. No amount of delusional arguments of "she was my property, she didn't have rights" will make any difference.


I wanted to point out that consequences for actions do not negate the ability to perform those actions. Much of what we do has the potential to create a cause of action in civil courts, and certainly in criminal courts (as the thread on GM demonstrates). The slavery we speak of here and in most online forums is laced with sayings like SSC, RACK, etc. and most have ideas of what they feel would be abuse.

BUT, an O/p relationship will be what the people involved make of it and will be as "real" as the people involved choose to make it, notwithstanding any consequences that might arise from it. That's an uncomfortable thought for most, abhorrent to others, but then again, as EmeraldSlave2 points out often...if you can imagine it, people are doing it.


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RE: Real slaves - 6/17/2005 6:40:27 AM   
MsSilvie


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ORIGINAL: stormsfate

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Should master decide to snuff a slave on the courthouse steps, master certainly finds himself in jail for a very long time. No amount of delusional arguments of "she was my property, she didn't have rights" will make any difference.


I wanted to point out that consequences for actions do not negate the ability to perform those actions. Much of what we do has the potential to create a cause of action in civil courts, and certainly in criminal courts (as the thread on GM demonstrates). The slavery we speak of here and in most online forums is laced with sayings like SSC, RACK, etc. and most have ideas of what they feel would be abuse.

BUT, an O/p relationship will be what the people involved make of it and will be as "real" as the people involved choose to make it, notwithstanding any consequences that might arise from it. That's an uncomfortable thought for most, abhorrent to others, but then again, as EmeraldSlave2 points out often...if you can imagine it, people are doing it.



I understand what you are saying completely. Again, ability doesn't have a lot to do with legality, morality or even consent, in a broad sense either. People do a lot of things that I never would do myself that they find incredibly exciting and rewarding. All I wanted to emphisize is that consent CAN be withdrawn, legally. "Slavery" in the sense of BDSM isn't "real" at all in a legal sense. It may not be ethically right, if someone has given their word to be a slave, to change their mind and back out. But, as you said, consequences for actions do not negate the ability to perform those actions. Anyone involved in a power exchange at that deep of a level needs to understand what CAN happen, even if it doesn't.

< Message edited by MsSilvie -- 6/17/2005 6:42:56 AM >


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RE: Real slaves - 6/18/2005 7:56:24 AM   
fourpeas


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HAHAHAHAHA

"slave dust" Hey, Emerald, where can I get some of that slave dust. Poor little me, I'm just a submissive...

*laughs*

like fairy dust, but with black sparkles, right?


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RE: Real slaves - 6/21/2005 2:24:36 AM   
ginger21


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

What's the question?

Are you a real slave?

*sprinkling slave dust over you*

Now you're a REAL slave.


Oooo! OOOOOOO! Emerald, I wanna be a real slave, too!!!!

>_< *closes eyes and waits for slave fairy*

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