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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 9:47:16 AM

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Thanks, MzMia.

domiguy: Well, hehe I am not sure anyone has ever died from acne, but there is a case to be made that psychological suffering can be no less "serious" than physical suffering. Psychiatrists are considered, after all, to be medical doctors, and although it is an extreme circumstance, people do commit suicide over things like grief, and severe emotioanal pain (although I don't think my niece is close to that, she is suffering because of this situation, IMO).

I know you were just teasing - but as far as cosmetic fixes go, that is one reason why I think it can be so hard for some people to decide where to "draw any line" (although unfortunately, the folks who would be "liberal" in this sense rarely seem to work for insurance companies, hehe). I say no "line" really needs to be drawn, as long as it's not my money someone else is spending. I am just not that judgmental about that kind of thing, overall.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 9:57:42 AM

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Susan, I watch TLC and other similar channels.
You would be surprised at how many young adults, actors, models, etc. have had surgery,
and often at an early age.
This is hardly the dark ages, good luck.
As I said before, I had minor surgery years ago by a top surgeon whom I researched prior to surgery.
I am glad I had it and I plan on having a few other "minor" procedures down the road , when you get into certain
circles you don't find many that have NOT had something done!
This is the 21st century...to each his/her own, many procedures can be done without even having general anesthesia.
The number of men having everything from liposuction, to hair transplants to nose jobs is rising in
record numbers!
I was listening to a radio show on Black people and cosmetic surgery, this one guy was a policeman,
he went and had liposuction and did not tell his wife until after he had it!
LOL, take care.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:03:59 AM

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I think there is absolutely nothng wrong with cosmetic surgery, if people want it, and it makes them happier, and their life easier for them.

This is kinda funny, if a bit off topic: I once asked my Dermatologist why she picked that as her medical specialty. She said it was because nobody has "emergency" Derma-brasions, etc. (as in late at night, get your doctor out of bed, like would maybe happen if they were an Obstetrician, instead, hehe). I thought that was kind of amusing for her to say.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:08:01 AM

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You know, I did not want to sidetrack the conversation, but surgery of any type is a major thing.. there are some that are more risky than others, but in my mind getting any surgergical procedure done nothing to be casual about. I really learned this through my own surgery. It took months to heal from because of swelling I had. It could have led to my death, I could have been disfigured.

Piercings, tats, anything that breaks the skin is nothing to take lightly... "Everyone is doing it" is not true, not everyone is doing it, nor wants to. I asked my Daddy if I should have anything done... his response... NO! It just is not worth it in his mind, the expense, the risks, the possible bad outcomes...

Lipo is an example of a surgery that can go horribly wrong...

I am not saying people should never get things like this done. I am saying that it is not anything to take for granted that it will be as you think it will be, that bad outcomes happen, that people that have these things done can become obsessive about surgery, and that in worst case scenario people can die.

I lost a tooth recently and I need to have an implant because of my prior jaw surgery. I would rather have had a bridge, but because of my situation I have to spend another 4k on my mouth... and I could have a bad outcome... we are talking about drilling my jaw. It is nothing I am casual about, I can tell you that for sure.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:09:39 AM

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My dermatologist is only a few years older than I am and she does just about every procedure there is to do.
It is AMAZING what can be done these days, she always gives me tons of free samples.
You are right many people also have a spa, but I would only deal with a top notch Dermatologist with a good
track record. I was so thankful that she is on my list of providers under my insurance, can you say $20 co-pay per
office visit?
She has been in Ebony and Essence magazine and looks marvelous--> I mean she looks GOOD.
I told her, if she can stay in practice another 40 years we can do this together. *I tend to make people laugh*
In fact, I need to make an appointment. Check her out! I sure the hell am--> heading to the phone..see ya!

Alluring Looks: Pure Allure Sep/Oct 2004

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:11:37 AM

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O always think my nose is too big and my eye lids are too droopy and think about some surgery but only to think I have lived this long with the problems, so I guess I'll go the the grave with them.I believe if it makes you feel good go for it...bounty

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:14:50 AM

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I agree julia, but I live in area with top doctors, I think it is always up to the individual.
But I will say, there are SO many things that you can have done these days that are
minimally invasive. I am thinking with a top dermatologist Susan's niece might only
need a few minor/regular procedures.
It is just amazing to me, what can be done, without major surgery.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:39:05 AM

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Well I do agree, there is a derm in town who has a bad rep, and I'd not consider going to him for that reason. The one I went to lived close to me when I was growing up, and I knew her, and I trusted her implicitly. But yeah, when you are talking about your health and your permanent appearance, researching who the doctor is, and how good their work is, is a great (and probably necessary) idea.

It is amazing the strides that have been made, even over the past decade, as far as cosmetic surgery being less an "ordeal" than it once maybe was for many. My Derma-brasion was a major, very painful ordeal and it took at least 4-6 weeks, as I recall, to recover. Laser surgery (which has largely replaced the Derma-brasion technique) may be as "major" a deal, in some cases, but mostly not, and it is certainly much less painful, overall, I've read.

I don't know if it is a symptom of "cosmetic" surgery being thought of as anything more casually approached, necessarily, but - I will say I do think it's nice, that it is more affordable that it once was, as far as doctors taking things like "payment plans" etc. Especially since insurance won't, a lot of times, cover the cost. If my niece had to pay for this, she probably could, although much like a college student loan, I see no reason she needs to be saddled with that expense, if someone is in a position to help her with it, instead.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 10:54:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I agree julia, but I live in area with top doctors, I think it is always up to the individual.
But I will say, there are SO many things that you can have done these days that are
minimally invasive. I am thinking with a top dermatologist Susan's niece might only
need a few minor/regular procedures.
It is just amazing to me, what can be done, without major surgery.

MzMia, that's true about being minimally invaisive.
A few years ago I had both of my shoulders operated on using arthroscopic surgery.
There are only small scars about as big around as a pencil.
About 15 years ago a friend had the same operation done and he had a foot long "Frankenstein" scar from his shoulder halfway down his chest. And it took him about twice as long to heal due to all the tissue damage.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 11:11:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I lost a tooth recently and I need to have an implant because of my prior jaw surgery. I would rather have had a bridge, but because of my situation I have to spend another 4k on my mouth... and I could have a bad outcome... we are talking about drilling my jaw. It is nothing I am casual about, I can tell you that for sure.

I completely agree that these are not things to be casual of. However, if you do the research and make sure the person knows what they are doing, it's not too bad.

Really IMO the issue here has nothing to do with acne, or surgery or even the daughter involved- it's about two sisters who need to learn how to work together and not put eachother down.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 12:54:02 PM

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susan,

I see you have a zillion replies here but I am still going to toss in my buck .45

I think your offer was wonderful. Anything that will help smooth out a bump here and there in the road of life is a good thing. Now your sister may not think appearance is important, however so much of the world revolves around it. Your niece may even feel the same, yet again the world is vain and shallow and I understand the gesture you are making is a good one. If someone were truly anti-appearance they would be barefoot in burlap. It is the degree in which appearance affects us that varies.

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RE: Need some feedback - am I wrong here? - 4/10/2007 2:43:53 PM

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Thank you for your kind comments, Troll.

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