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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/11/2007 12:53:05 PM   
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He acted like that because he's a man.  Men act like that all the time.  Has nothing to do with anything else.  


Yikes!!  Merely dismissing such unethical and neanderthal-like behavior by stating that's just how they are could be likened to permitting a pyschopath to kill merely because that's just how they are - not a good rationale!

Crossing the line into disrepectful and offensive behavior is never acceptable - even if he is just "a man".

I agree with Mistress V. -- men rarely act like such in my world and if they do, they get the quick boot!


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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 1:06:27 PM   
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Your "Male Dom" friend may very well have simply been a natural dominant. The way he acted towards you was as natural as breathing.


Have to completely and respectfully disagree with you on this one CuriousLord. "Natural Dominant" or not; there are still such things as respect, good manners and common courtesy to a fellow human being...let alone a fellow Dominant. The person MDJour is speaking about sounds clueless to what any of those three things mean. He sounds more like one of those that thinks flipping a Domme is some sort of notch on his whip.

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Slavetrainer2007: I always found a dom couple  being togather is like walking through a mine field.  you have two  dom personalities, this is like putting two bulls in a pen with 1 cow.


That's a shame. I've dated other Dominants and fortunately I've never been treated with anything but respect. Of course, I also show that same respect in return. Having known a few Domme/Dom couples over the years I've seen it work successfully.

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Vendaval: You were far more patient than I would have been, Mistress V.
I favor the bitch slap to the face approach in such circumstances.


I usually agree with you completely Vendaval. However this time I have to respectfully disagree. I personally would have favored a swift kick to his lower brain.


To the OP, I'm sorry you had to go through this. You were absolutely right to call him on his behavior. I doubt a sincere apology is forthcoming. On the other hand, by doing what he did he's shown his true colors both publicly and privately. I would definitely steer clear of him in future. Should he be forced into apology (and from the description I would imagine it would be a forced and insincere apology) he may attempt some sort of revenge in future.

Whoever said "Dominants" like this give us all a bad name was right on the money. Unfortunately, there will always be those that think slapping a label upon themselves gives some sort of justification to their simply being an abuser at their core.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 1:16:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

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Did you go out on a date and inform him of protocols he had to follow? Did he agree to these protocols? Or did you somehow assume that a dom would agree to act like a sub on this occasion.

He treated you like he would a woman on a vanilla date, there seemed to be chemistry, at least on his part, so he made a move hoping you would also find it hot and invite him in for some bed action.

And if you expect men to follow your protocols, it helps to tell them what they are ahead of time and ask them if they consent. If not, don't go. But don't expect a dom to act subly.


Acting like a gentlemen and treating a women with respect, whether in private or public, are hardly expecting submissive behavior.   I'm  unaware of the vanilla dates that you've encountered but no man, vanilla or kinky, should paw, push a woman against a wall and block her departure nor smack her ass in the middle of a room full of people.   I would be sickened if a man treated me as such on a *vanilla date*.... I have standards as should other women.  


Correct,  however the op did not make anything clear, just that he had attempted to handle her. It was not until later posts that the exact details came out.


Unfortunately this is a text based medium. If a post contains no details and references that are unclear, readers are likely to fill in the holes based on their own backgrounds. This was one of those posts, details slowly dribbled out over three pages, clarification still absent in areas causing confusion in the readers.

Of course we read things into it, simply because of the fact that the facts themselves were not there to be read.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/11/2007 4:23:07 PM   
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He acted like that because he's a man.  Men act like that all the time.  Has nothing to do with anything else.  


How very disappointing.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 6:55:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Did you go out on a date and inform him of protocols he had to follow? Did he agree to these protocols? Or did you somehow assume that a dom would agree to act like a sub on this occasion.


I saw the person in question several times in the past year, and he was always on perfect behavior.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 11:14:18 PM   
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This said, I feel as though I can empathize with what may've been one in his shoes- perhaps, he was naturally dominant, and just being himself.

I'mn ot sure how "naturally dominant" equals "completely violating the agreement you made including physically imposing yourself on me."

Perhaps unethical dominant.


Her orginial post said "Man Handled", without explanation.  I did not (nor have I yet) read the other replies where she may have clarified this.  My response was based off the intereptation that he was rough with her during their sexual encounters.  My response stated that I could empathize with such a feeling- not agree with the course of action taken.

So, no; the two have not been equated in my response.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 11:20:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
Your "Male Dom" friend may very well have simply been a natural dominant. The way he acted towards you was as natural as breathing.


Completely disagree with you on this point. This guy acted like no natural dominant I know. Natural dominants have no need to force themselves on others to "prove" their dominance. And they certainly do not embrarass others in public just because they didn't get their way. This guy acted more like a spoiled brat than anything else. I see no dominance in his actions.

Namaste, Sir Dominic


I'm afraid her orginial post was rather vague.  From it, I concluded there was a possiblity that she meant he was rough on her in intercourse- giving him the benifit of the doubt in consideration as I've come to find many in this community honorable.  In such a case, I would be able to empathize with his feelings.  This is not a statement of approval, but an attempt at empathizing with this fellow, which I find to be fundamental in understanding others.

I used "may" since this may have been the case, or may not have been.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 11:23:01 PM   
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I'm suddenly regretting having made a quick reply to the orginial post!  But, no, I misinterepted her orginial claim.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/11/2007 11:23:53 PM   
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This reminds me of a phrase we coined several years ago, that perhaps has relavence here: "Don't try to "Dom" your freinds"
Regards, Mistress V.


I get by pretty well in life with the motto "Don't try to dom anyone but your own submissives".

It works.  I have nothing to prove.



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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/12/2007 7:16:23 AM   
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To the OP, I'm sorry you had to go through this. You were absolutely right to call him on his behavior. I doubt a sincere apology is forthcoming. On the other hand, by doing what he did he's shown his true colors both publicly and privately. I would definitely steer clear of him in future. Should he be forced into apology (and from the description I would imagine it would be a forced and insincere apology) he may attempt some sort of revenge in future.

Whoever said "Dominants" like this give us all a bad name was right on the money. Unfortunately, there will always be those that think slapping a label upon themselves gives some sort of justification to their simply being an abuser at their core.


Spot on - such was my fear - that revenge would become his tactic - even if reading this query, as he is a member here.    But Mistress V. is surrounded by loved ones and is quite well protected - to the tune of a 357 or some such -- anyway, her curiosity and quest for knowledge needed comparisons and opinions as she was quite caught off guard.  As was I when witnessing one of the episodes.    Of course, he's manipulated the situation so that he has no fault.... and of course, owes no apology.

A true shame.

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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/12/2007 7:20:00 AM   
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Very true and good points.... but I still found issues with the stating of "he treated like he would on a vanilla date" as such implies that man-handling is permitted in even a vanilla dating scenario... and in most women's world... it is not, until such is specified.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/12/2007 7:34:07 AM   
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How very disappointing.


Hey now, you cant use those words with me!  Its true and it can also be said of women.  i've dealt with it my WHOLE life.  As a waitress, a customer i was slightly familiar with threw me over his shoulder and smacked my ass.  All because i talked to the guy?  Or perhaps i unwittingly flirted with him?

i had a boss (who i didnt flirt with) try to jam his tongue in my mouth and squeeze my boob - while i was writing down something for him.  Can we say wtf?

Shall i go on.......  (cos it gets worse) 

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Yikes!!  Merely dismissing such unethical and neanderthal-like behavior by stating that's just how they are could be likened to permitting a pyschopath to kill merely because that's just how they are - not a good rationale!

Crossing the line into disrepectful and offensive behavior is never acceptable - even if he is just "a man".

I agree with Mistress V. -- men rarely act like such in my world and if they do, they get the quick boot!


Well people generally kill because they are pyschopaths, dont they?  I wasnt dismissing it, i was explaining it.  i never said it was acceptable, just not suprising.  Men act like that, have acted like that and will continue acting like that - no good explanation.  One of the reasons i am so wary of the male gender LOL.

Men have acted like that in all of the parts of the world i have been and i am sure they are acting like that in the parts of the world i havent been.  Seems more like a fact of life to me   = )


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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/12/2007 8:03:43 AM   
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Men act like that, have acted like that and will continue acting like that - no good explanation.

SOME men act like that...not ALL men.




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RE: Man Handled.... - 4/12/2007 8:39:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Did you go out on a date and inform him of protocols he had to follow? Did he agree to these protocols? Or did you somehow assume that a dom would agree to act like a sub on this occasion.

He treated you like he would a woman on a vanilla date, there seemed to be chemistry, at least on his part, so he made a move hoping you would also find it hot and invite him in for some bed action.

And if you expect men to follow your protocols, it helps to tell them what they are ahead of time and ask them if they consent. If not, don't go. But don't expect a dom to act subly.


Acting like a gentlemen and treating a women with respect, whether in private or public, are hardly expecting submissive behavior.   I'm  unaware of the vanilla dates that you've encountered but no man, vanilla or kinky, should paw, push a woman against a wall and block her departure nor smack her ass in the middle of a room full of people.   I would be sickened if a man treated me as such on a *vanilla date*.... I have standards as should other women.  


Correct,  however the op did not make anything clear, just that he had attempted to handle her. It was not until later posts that the exact details came out.


Unfortunately this is a text based medium. If a post contains no details and references that are unclear, readers are likely to fill in the holes based on their own backgrounds. This was one of those posts, details slowly dribbled out over three pages, clarification still absent in areas causing confusion in the readers.

Of course we read things into it, simply because of the fact that the facts themselves were not there to be read.



Some of posts are now going to other areas as an offshoot to my OP. But let me just wrap this up with what I hope clears up all the questions by outlining some of the nitty gritty details that I think you're asking for.

Where Celeste43 is asking looking for cliarification of the overall relationship.

The person in question came to Me twice professionally in the past year, bottoming to Me, and was on perfect behavior, no surprises. I don't see anything wrong with a Dom bottoming in private and/or professionally. Not the first and surely will not be the last. These sessions were prior to any sort of personal interaction. Yes, we had chemistry, at least that's what we called it. There's no law against liking someone and following up with them on a strictly personal basis. 
 
Now for further details surrounding the event. I thought he was going to attend with me. Remember my earlier posts referencing his telling me a day and a half prior to said event that his new sub would be there and that would take priority. At that point all bets were off. He was going to be in Dom mode with his new submissive. I was told that this took priority over anything I had anticipated. And I only wanted someone to attend with, not to lead around on a leash, that's not my style. In order for me to be comfortable seeing him there at the event, We agreed to treat each other just as friends. It seemed simple enough. I'm finished with what I have to say, although my lawyer says I should go to the police. I'm just not going to be shown disrespect on my home turf without reprisal. Nor will I sit back and withhold knowledge about someone who could potentially cause harm to someone in the community. And, Yes there’s that post about the email he sent where he threatened physical violence against me. Not cool.
I appreciate everyone's input on this matter, let this serve as a lesson to watch out for the red flags when getting involved with anyone on a personal level. 
Looking to the future, Mistress V.


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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/12/2007 8:56:06 AM   
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Devilslilsister, There is something seriously wrong going on around you... & I'm sorry to suggest this but you need to figure out what you may be doing wrong. For one... you are allowing this bad behavior by rationalizing it to be typical & common.

If these men are behaving in this way by your personal experience (& as everyone has attempted to explain, this is not typical behavior) then you may want to take a good long look at how these men view you & what you can do to stop this from happening before you find yourself in this position.

I'm not saying that you brought this on yourself but there has to be something going on that has allowed or encouraged these things to progress into situations that are crossing the line. Take a step outside of yourself & look at yourself like you never have before & see if there is anything happening that you completely unconscience of doing.

If this isn't the case... move. You are surrounded by idiots.

Did you at least press charges of sexual harrassment on this employer?

I had a boss grab my ass in a kitchen I worked at when I was 16. I worked in a salad department & guess what... chef knives are the common tool in the kitchen. I grabbed the one that was right on the counter where I was about to cut up lettuce... pointed it at him & marched him right up the front counter in front of other members of management as well as customers & shouted as loud as I could... HE GRABBED MY ASS! Even without the knife I wouldn't have just sat back & pondered "wtf?"... take action, don't allow yourself to be a victim.

This was in 1983 & the laws around sexual harrassment are much more defined & supported today than they were then. He was arrested. As to a financial recovery for pfft, 'pain & suffering'... never even crossed my mind. I quit the job & went to work somewhere else. The point is... I didn't allow myself to be a victim of unwanted physical advances. I didn't then, I won't know & like that 104 yr old lady that took several shots to her head when she was "man-handled" by a mugger... I won't take it then either.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/13/2007 6:54:15 AM   
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Devilslilsister, There is something seriously wrong going on around you... & I'm sorry to suggest this but you need to figure out what you may be doing wrong. For one... you are allowing this bad behavior by rationalizing it to be typical & common.

If these men are behaving in this way by your personal experience (& as everyone has attempted to explain, this is not typical behavior) then you may want to take a good long look at how these men view you & what you can do to stop this from happening before you find yourself in this position.

I'm not saying that you brought this on yourself but there has to be something going on that has allowed or encouraged these things to progress into situations that are crossing the line. Take a step outside of yourself & look at yourself like you never have before & see if there is anything happening that you completely unconscience of doing.

If this isn't the case... move. You are surrounded by idiots.

Did you at least press charges of sexual harrassment on this employer?

I had a boss grab my ass in a kitchen I worked at when I was 16. I worked in a salad department & guess what... chef knives are the common tool in the kitchen. I grabbed the one that was right on the counter where I was about to cut up lettuce... pointed it at him & marched him right up the front counter in front of other members of management as well as customers & shouted as loud as I could... HE GRABBED MY ASS! Even without the knife I wouldn't have just sat back & pondered "wtf?"... take action, don't allow yourself to be a victim.

This was in 1983 & the laws around sexual harrassment are much more defined & supported today than they were then. He was arrested. As to a financial recovery for pfft, 'pain & suffering'... never even crossed my mind. I quit the job & went to work somewhere else. The point is... I didn't allow myself to be a victim of unwanted physical advances. I didn't then, I won't know & like that 104 yr old lady that took several shots to her head when she was "man-handled" by a mugger... I won't take it then either.


I couldn't agree more!!   If all men around me were treating me in the manner as described by lilsister, I'd reassess the energy that I was putting out which drew them to the conclusion that such was permissible.   Not that it is her fault, at all.   All people must assume their own personal liability.   But I surround myself ONLY with those who are worthy and when someone treats me with disrespect, there will be ramifications.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/13/2007 10:31:22 AM   
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How very disappointing.


Hey now, you cant use those words with me! 


Well DLS, I can because it is how I feel. It may have no effect on you, but still it is my feeling.
 
As broad and generalizing your disgust is it is also very accepting. You have created a standard expectation and find acceptance with that statement. I am sure you meant it to be scathing, but all you are really doing is lowering the bar and enabling that behavior.
 
I have more Domme friends than sub/slave friends or Dom friends because we see eye to eye. Our views and approaches are very similar and we both believe people should hold themselves to a higher standard than what is largely accepted. Many here know I have some odd views that are not typical of my gender, however I don’t feel that gender is the decisive factor. It is our potential as a human that is the factor. Our cultures teach us about limits and boundaries, not in a BDSM sense, but in a cultural and evolutionary sense. I ever strive to excel beyond the cookie cutter sense we have of ourselves through learning and growing in all ways. You cannot ever be too smart, too educated, too enlightened, too well mannered, too too too too cubed to infinity.
 
Take a step back from yourself and ask yourself have you fallen into a boundary or limit in your own evolution and settled this “behavior” that you find offensive, yet acceptable, within your grasp. You can change this perception and not remove it from your grasp, where it is perpetually grasping you, but rise far above it.


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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/13/2007 1:13:11 PM   
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DLS, I encourage you, as does Troll in his response to you..... Set the bar a little higher! I preach this all the time to the young ones around me. Hey, nothing wrong with accepting and benefitting from the advise of those who have gone before. Peace, Mistress V.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/15/2007 3:08:21 PM   
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I'm trying to think how I could possibly care less.

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RE: ManHandled.... - 4/15/2007 8:04:48 PM   
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