LadyEllen
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Do I want to see Iran bombed?
I would much rather see us come to some sensible agreement with Iran, given that a sensible agreement is at all possible. Regrettably though, we have what appears to be a raving religious lunatic to deal with on the Iranian side, and far more regrettably, what is almost certainly a weak minded religious lunatic setting the pace on "our" side - one President Bush. Here is the rub, because as Europeans steeped in wars and the blood of virtually every nation on the planet, I find our EU approach far more sane - but our approach counts for nothing because we lack any power with which to bargain in this equation. In our effort to demilitarise Europe following centuries of conflict, and especially following WWII, we have forgotten that to secure peace is to prepare for war, and that in order to exert influence, one has ultimately to be able to back up sensible policy with force where needed.
If in the end, Iran does acquire the ability to pose a threat to us or to our interests, including our friends and allies, then it would be extremely foolish not to act, surely? The time for idealism will by then have long since passed unfortunately, and as things stand we will be defenceless in ourselves and helpless to help our allies. The greatest disservice done in regard to all of this matter though, remains the Bush policy, aided and abetted by Blair to invade Iraq, where Saddam, evil bastard that he was, at least had a lid on the Iranians and was predictable in his madness, in contradistinction to the parties now involved. The way we were taken into Iraq may yet prove to be more disastrous for all of us than we presently have any idea of, in that nothing that arises from intelligence reports can now be believed, and even those responsible for our protection have been found out to have wilfully dissembled in a way that grossly undermines our confidence in anything we are told about threats and consequently our will to prepare to counter them.
Do I want to pay for the bombing?
If it becomes necessary to contribute taxes towards an attack against a force threatening me and mine, of course. In the same way that contributing tax towards social welfare, healthcare et al to protect me and mine is something I regard as requisite of my benefitting from membership of this nation. But would I prefer not to pay because bombing is unnecessary? Even more so.
Do I want the US to pay the bill?
If bombing becomes necessary as above and my nation wont or rather cant contribute, then yes I'd rather like the US to cover it if the alternative is to see the New Persian Empire from the Ganges to Morocco and in control of Suez and much of the world's oil. I'd much prefer, if bombing became the only option, to see Europe take equal share in it, but if the US had to do it alone then I'd be grateful that someone stepped up to the mark to deal with the threat to me and mine, notwithstanding that there are almost always additional ulterior benefits for someone in such actions. Here again is where Bush and Blair, having cried wolf over Iraq, have led us into a situation we may yet come to regret more deeply than we currently anticipate.
The good news
Blair will be gone within a few weeks now by all accounts. Bush will be gone in a year or so. Hopefully this will mean we can make a fresh start on all of this stuff and leave behind the errors of their days so that maybe we can rebuild our own confidence in our leaders and in what they say and do - never implicit trust, but such that when we are told there is a threat we can believe it and support action to deal with it.
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RE: Majority of Euro's Support Preemptive Iran Strike .... - 
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