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RE: Majority of Euro's Support Preemptive Iran Strike .... - 4/11/2007 5:53:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

I have trouble believing this poll, especially the part where it says the Danes are in a majority for a pre-emptive strike, their population was so against Iraq that their government had to withdraw troops. I go to Copenhagen a lot and I don't sense any kind of senitment to strike against Iran. Certainly here in Holland, people are hsotile to any premptive strike and I don't get any pro-war feeling in France either. In fact in France, the politicians are trying to distance themselves from any idea of supporting a war or sympathy towards America during the run up to the general election because they know the population is so hostile. This is one poll I wouldn't trust, it just doesn't ring true, in fact it comes across as way way out of line. I could believe Britain having a majority for a premptive strike but my belief ends there.

I notice it doesn't say what the pro-business think tank is and whether they just polled business people. If they just polled business people, well those people feed off cadavers.


I don't buy it either...this doesn't pass the smell test.

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RE: Majority of Euro's Support Preemptive Iran Strike .... - 4/12/2007 12:08:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

You miss the point ... the United States has never been big on any sort of tariffs at all ... but certainly could. If you think European unity is such that individual countries wouldn't make private deals with the Americans, you are diluding yourself.
 
This is a good read. A French report, by the way. I'm sure you will say that the translation is bad.

http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/12/dossiers/europe_relations_etats-unis_english.asp

By the way ... still waiting for that list of ill effects that you have suffered, because we are so hard to deal with.


I've never said European countries don't make private deals with other countries, they are still independent countries. The deals have to conform to European law.

As for the US not being big on tariffs, it has a tendency to prefer subsidies rather than tariffs to help its industries, both agriculture and aerospace industries are heavily subsidized. However Bush did impose the steel tariff when he first came to power. There have been accusations that the US protects much of its technological industries by claiming state security when it is merely protecting them from competition. Insisting oil and other raw materials must be refined on its territory is an old imperial way of helping its own industry at the expense of competition.

As I have said, the US couldn't impose anything on European countries because retaliation by the EU would mean it would hurt itself too and even if the EU didn't it could have asked GATT for a ruling like the EU and Japan did over the steel tariffs and if GATT found against the US it would have a comparable fine imposed. The world has moved on from the 60s and 70s.

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RE: Majority of Euro's Support Preemptive Iran Strike .... - 4/12/2007 12:44:55 AM   
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But if Iran makes good on their threat to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" we are going to be in a global conflict anyway and it is best to set Iran back (if we can't shut them down completely) while the opportunity is best for us, i.e. while they are saying something stupid like wiping Israel out and, concomittanly, shooting off their mouths about ramping up their nuclear program. 


This is nothing more than a clever disinformation ploy from war mongers that targets ''TV watchers'' to build up support for a preemptive bombing campaign.

No....Ahmadinejad doesn't walk with a halo over the top of his head, but that shouldn't give the green light for social engineers to trick the mindless proles in this country in order shift public sentiment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ





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