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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:09:21 PM   
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I know some females in the scene were badly mistreated
by some male at some point in their life.   I don't get
why they seem to have little interest in acting out some
kind of role playing revenge fantasy.   Some say they
are afraid of losing control and going too far, but there
could always be a third party present to prevent that
from happening.  I would think that would be theraputic.
Yet, survivors shy away from such a role reversal
dramatization.  I know if I was a female and a victim
of abuse, I know I would to channel my anger onto some
male.



The main reason why i don't like it is because i will have flashbacks and i don't want to relive my past traumatic experiences

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:10:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

--New ideas are always ridiculed.  Then they are labled dangerous.  Finally,
they are so obvious, they go without saying.   The herd is often wrong.



actually your idea is not a NEW ONE.... more than a few idiots have tried selling this idea in the past.

So nice try... but you not as unique as you think... actually.. your dime a dozen... you are the herd.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:21:55 PM   
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I'm confused
Are you practicing psychiatry without a licence? Is this not illegal?
 
Personal comment, i worked very hard for my pieces of paper and resent being told they mean nothing. It would be illegal for me to do my job and previous job without them. It would also be unsafe for me to do my job without the knowledge my studies gave me.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:25:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay WhiptheHip, you have made a bunch of assumptions about those that have been abused but have you ever stood in those shoes?  Have you had true and total fear for your life at the hands of another?  I am not talking about in the kink sense.  I am talking about having someone hold your life in their hands not knowing if they are going to step over that line or not? Have you ever been at the wrong end of a weapon held by someone who claims to love you?  Have you had to make excuses to cover bruises or broken bones?

Everyone has different life experiences and different reactions to things.  To assume all that have been abused feel anger and want revenge is incorrect.  I am sure there are those who feel that way and channel those feelings into their kink but I can tell you a large number do not.  Some of us are better than to let hate and revenge rule our lives.  We are stronger and more intelligent than to blame ourselves for the shortcomings of our previous spouses/lovers/friends/S.O. We survive and move forward. 

I would never, ever, channel anger into play.  Even punishment is not administered until I have had a chance to calm down and think about it in the proper state of mind.

Nothing makes a traumatic event go away but the past is the past.  It cannot be changed or altered but can be overcome.  Don't make such obtuse assumptions about so many people because you are terribly wrong.

Sincerely,
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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:26:10 PM   
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Are you practicing psychiatry without a licence? Is this not illegal?
 


I don't believe he is practicing psychiatry...  I believe the correct term is Amentia... I think he is a Master in the field.

Also... no piece of paper was required to gain Credentials in the field.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:30:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		> The main reason why i don't like it is because i will have flashbacks
> and i don't want to relive my past traumatic experiences

These are two very good reasons.   I mean it.  My suggestion is not for
everyone.  They are primarily for people who can't get past their
past experiences, and feel that by reliving it in such aa way where
this time they are in control, they are sometimes able to chase their 
demons away.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:30:07 PM   
missturbation


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I had to consult my dictionary but

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:32:03 PM   
missturbation


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Status: offline 		they are sometimes able to chase their 
demons away.

Key word 'sometimes'!!
What about those you don't help but create major set backs in?

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:33:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why on earth would I want to act out what I found abhorrent and negative? That would take me down to their level, certainly no feel good factor there, perpetuating something negative wouldn't make me feel better, it would detract from my self worth.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:37:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is not often that I see fit to post here but after taking a gander at the fiorrhea WhipTheHip decided to post (Atrocious grammar and spelling aside), I just can't help myself.

You're obviously searching for justification as to why you're here in the lifestyle.  Stop candy-coating things, and stop with the pseudo-intellectual bullshit.  You're no more a knight-in-shining-armour than the rest of us. 

It is a tragedy that you claim to 'help' these individuals; I believe your alleged activities have done a disservice to those on the receiving end of your 'therapy'; counselling and therapy performed by licensed and trained individuals are a help to mainstream society - what makes any of us any different?  I'm sure there are quite a few therapists and counsellors who are privy to this lifestyle and would be happy to help without being self-serving in doing so.

If you're as omniscient as you would have the unchurched masses believe, you would also be aware that your tagline ('Great spirits... yakkayakka, etc.') was actually attributed to Albert Einstein, not Calvin.





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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:48:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ImperatorMaximus

It is not often that I see fit to post here but after taking a gander at the fiorrhea WhipTheHip decided to post (Atrocious grammar and spelling aside), I just can't help myself.

You're obviously searching for justification as to why you're here in the lifestyle.  Stop candy-coating things, and stop with the pseudo-intellectual bullshit.  You're no more a knight-in-shining-armour than the rest of us. 

It is a tragedy that you claim to 'help' these individuals; I believe your alleged activities have done a disservice to those on the receiving end of your 'therapy'; counselling and therapy performed by licensed and trained individuals are a help to mainstream society - what makes any of us any different?  I'm sure there are quite a few therapists and counsellors who are privy to this lifestyle and would be happy to help without being self-serving in doing so.

If you're as omniscient as you would have the unchurched masses believe, you would also be aware that your tagline ('Great spirits... yakkayakka, etc.') was actually attributed to Albert Einstein, not Calvin.







APPLAUDS  LOUDLY... reposted just cause it was so good and don't want anyone to miss it

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:49:14 PM   
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Whip, I'm confused   Are you practicing psychiatry without a licence? Is this not illegal?
 

I do not practice psychiatry.   Laws vary from state to state.  I only know Florida law.
"Practicing a profession without license" generally means charging money for professional
services.  It is not illegal to give free counseling.  In the state of Florida it is not illegal to
charge for counseling. No license is needed.  A psychiatric license is need to prescribe
prescription drugs.  I don't prescribe prescription drugs.  Nor do I run any kind of business
related to psychiatry or psychology.  No money changes hands.  I do not pretend to be a
psychiatrist or a psychologist.  What I do is not considered by Florida law to be practicing
psychiatry. 
 
> Personal comment, i worked very hard for my pieces of paper and resent being
> told they mean nothing.
 
How hard you worked has nothing to do with it.  Many people get degrees and
licenses without working hard at all.   Your pieces of paper do not prove you worked
hard.  Some people work hard and just scrape by, others hardly work and easily
get degree and licenses.  The ones who hardly work may know a lot more than
the ones who have to work really hard.  A lot of students in my college classes
worked really hard and just got by each course with Cs and Ds.  You may know
a lot, you may know little.  The pieces of paper you have mean little to me.  They
may mean a lot to others who think it is really hard to to get degrees and licenses.
 
> It would be illegal for me to do my job and previous job without them.
 
This may be true It all depends upon the state and the job.  Little things
like this make a difference in the real world.
 
> It would also be unsafe for me to do my job without the knowledge my
> studies gave me.
 
Okay.  Other people may have mastered in a few months, what took you
years to learn, but they never bothered to get a degree.  They may have
as much or more knowledge than you.  You have no way of knowing and
neither do I.



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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:57:24 PM   
WhipTheHip


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Status: offline 		> If you're as omniscient as you would have the unchurched masses believe, you would
> also be aware that your tagline ('Great spirits... yakkayakka, etc.') was actually attributed
> to Albert Einstein, not Calvin.

It is too bad you don't know how to spell i-r-o-n-y!

If you were omniscient, you would know your observation has been pointed out
to me many times in the past.  I actually stole the tagline from another user who
correctly attributed it to Einstein, whose every quote I know by heart.  I attribute
it to Calvin for irony and comical effect.  Only those who know the quote was
made by Einstein and are bright enough get the inside joke.  What does that say
about you?

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 3:59:59 PM   
WhipTheHip


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ORIGINAL: missturbation

they are sometimes able to chase their 
demons away.

Key word 'sometimes'!!
What about those you don't help but create major set backs in?


That has never happened.  If it ever does, which I doubt, I will take it under
advisement.  The medicine that cures one person can kill another.  We don't
take a pill of the market just because a few people have a bad reaction to it.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:05:24 PM   
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 They forget 99.99%
of the stuff they had to learn to get the degree.  Most people
with a license or a degree couldn't get them again if their life
depended on it. 

 
With all due respect..you are a complete idiot. That is not an opinion; it's a fact. Let me explain why....
 
Truly you have no idea what you're talking about. While it may simply be your opinion...it is a very wrong opinion.
 
Almost every license ( I can't actually think of any that don't in fact) in the medical fields requires the holder to earn CEU (Continuing Education Units) within a certain time limit of their license expiring. While the boards themselves aren't retaken; they do have to pass whatever testing is required within the CE courses in order to renew the license. There are also competency tests within the CE that must be passed as well in order for one's license to be renewed. 
 
For example, I'm studying radiology with a specialty in Nuclear Medicine. I won't be forgetting what I've learned in order to get my license for several reasons.
 
1. I'm going to use that knowledge on a daily basis. Considering my patients will be relying on my use of that knowledge to treat them it's going to be a bit difficult for me to forget 99.99% of what I've learned.

2. Whatever hospital I'm working for won't be allowing me to work for them for long if I don't know what I'm doing. Can you say Malpractice Liability???
 
3.The Licensing Board isn't going to be letting me get away with forgetting what I've learned because they require me to renew my license on a regular basis. No license = no work
 
4. In order to renew that license I have to pass competency tests that show I know what I'm doing. In other words...I have to prove on a regular basis that I haven't forgotten what I learned. Again, No proof = no license = no work.
 
Soooo....
 
Prior to spouting off in regard to people with licenses I would suggest that you research your babblings first then post when you have the correct information. Then again, after reading your various posts, it's more than evident that you are quite accustomed to spouting off without regard to doing any research into what you claim. 
 
quote:

We don't take a pill of the market just because a few people have a bad reaction to it.


Shall I start a list of all the medications that have been removed from the market because of exactly that. Gosh. I guess that's just a little something I learned while studying for my license.

 
The fool shouts loudly, thinking to impress the world.
Marie de France
 
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Samuel Johnson



*steps down from Her soapbox and smashes it to splinters.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:08:05 PM   
missturbation


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psychiatrist or a psychologist.

No, you pretend to be better than them and to know better than them. To me that shows a huge ego and self delusion you yourself may need councilling for.
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The pieces of paper you have mean little to me.

Considering the fact you have no qualification how would you know how hard or easy it is to get one, or how much knowledge a person has or hasn't got who has a qualification? 
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It would be illegal for me to do my job and previous job without them.
 
This may be true It all depends upon the state and the job.  Little things
like this make a difference in the real world. 
 
Actually i can tell you 100% that it would be illegal for me to do both the careers i am qualified for without my qualifications. Don't even presume to tell me what i know in this regard.
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The more and more you try to self justify your actions the more you are coming across as a moronic egotistical knows nothing but thinks he knows everything kind of ass.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:09:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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you know I have always had trouble with this quote... and it just hit me why..

Does anyone think a Fool would know to be Silent?   He is after all a Fool for a reason!

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:11:40 PM   
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As a female who was abused by a caregiver many years ago, I can tell you that such abuse makes many feel at fault, feel worthless, feel particularly bad about themselves. There is no way to avenge what this person did to me and the hatred I carried for him for so many years was personally destructive to the point of emotional debilitaiton and PTSD. Now that I have come to terms with it I let it go and do not wish to relive it in any fashion.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:13:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Samuel Johnson


quote]you know I have always had trouble with this quote... and it just hit me why..

Does anyone think a Fool would know to be Silent?   He is after all a Fool for a reason!


I understand your point KoM, however I felt it appropriate given the situation.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/12/2007 4:20:07 PM   
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I do not practice psychiatry.   Laws vary from state to state.  I only know Florida law.
"Practicing a profession without license" generally means charging money for professional
services.  It is not illegal to give free counseling.  In the state of Florida it is not illegal to
charge for counseling. No license is needed.  A psychiatric license is need to prescribe
prescription drugs.  I don't prescribe prescription drugs.  Nor do I run any kind of business
related to psychiatry or psychology.


All this is true.  I see a lay therapist who doesn't have a license and her field is sexual abuse and disability issues.  But, and its a big but, she's part of a network of lay counselors and peer-support folks that got off the ground during the 70's Woman's Health Movment and has been practicing 30 years.  She's respected in the local community even though she doesn't have a degree.  She runs a community choir, organizes "trauma talk and tea" groups and does a whole bunch of other community oriented stuff beyond her private practice.  Much of her work is grant supported, which means it is funded by external sources.  So, she doesn't have that piece of paper telling her she's a psychiatrist or a psychologist but she has 3 decades of experience and the support of a variety of agencies and the general therapeutic community.  She's not out there by herself coming up with cures to resolve issues of past abuse.

One time, she handed me a baseball bat and told me to beat a pillow with it so I could get in touch with my anger.  Its sounds alot like what you're suggesting in your op except you suggest I beat a person with the baseball bat.  I tried it, felt silly, and stopped then explained that I didn't feel any anger.

And you know what? 

She listened to me and took my word for it.

Since then, we've talked alot about letting go and moving on and not so much about anger and revenge.

The trick to lay therapy and peer support is listening and learning and being open to other people's points of views.  And being part of a community of  practitioners which helps to weed out the nuts.




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