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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/20/2007 3:11:53 AM   
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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/20/2007 8:58:20 AM   
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...this thread has more than run it's course

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Ya got me!  My most frequent oops, proving you're the better grammarian, speller, boy scout, whatever.

I love you too, babe.  Keep swinging.


Damn straight you do.  Now give meh some lovin' before FukinTroll gets here.

I find the intellect of two such beautiful Egos falling in love so romantic.
Now excuse me whilst you both go get a room and I shall fly away before I someone decides on a punishment...
 
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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/20/2007 11:55:54 PM   
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Similar intellect is important. Degrees are not. I say so because I've known a lot of people with and without degrees and I have an advanced degree myself.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 2:17:17 AM   
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I would like to somewhat echo, Olorin's comments. I find it very interesting to see how many people say they are attracted to someone of higher intelligence.

I think this is something like the ugly guy who is attracted to the super model. He may be attracted to her beauty, but what is she going to find in him?

You might be attracted to someone with greater intellect than you, but what is he going to find in you?

For me, I look for someone of comparable intelligence.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 3:12:42 AM   
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I have a friend who is a nurse anesthetist. She is married to someone who is not degreed and works the line at Ford. He has no desire to ever go to school and is what you'd term "unskilled labor." He's never going to sit down and hold an in-depth conversation with someone regarding anything someone else might call "intellectual." He knows his limitations and admits them straight out.

On the other hand, he is a genius with his hands. He can look at something and build it right then and there - no plans needed. He repairs anything mechanical and all the neighbors go to him when things go wrong around their houses.

They have been married for over 25 years - happily, I might add.

We've all known each other since we were too young to be talking about in here. We were classmates when we gathered into groups called the Robins and Cardinals and Bluebirds to read and do our math. She was a Robin (the high reading/math group). He was a Bluebird (the low, but special ed wasn't law yet group). When she told us who she was dating, we all looked at her in horror. She saw the measure of the man, not the measure of his intellect.

So, to the person who said someone can't have a relationship with someone else that is not on par with them, I'd say "only in your experience." Because my friends prove that notion wrong each and every single day.

For those who say "intellect matters," and for those who say say that while they are constantly being told that intellect matters but rarely find someone who appreciates them for their intellect, I'd have to say that it's all a matter of degrees (not the earned kind) and that there is always more that enters into that whole "intellect matters" argument than just intellect.

I appreciate intellect. However, I've met some very smart people who hold higher degrees that I would not be interested in - even intellectually. To me, how one displays their intellect matters too. You're smart and enjoy telling everyone how smart you are? I'm not interested. You're smart and act in a condescending manner to others because you have degrees, etc? I'm not interested. However, if you're smart, you know it, you hold it in quiet confidence, and don't brag about how smart you are, then you're going to start to look good. You do all that with your intellect and then work to help others, you're looking better. You do all that with your intellect and still have a warm place in your heart for those who are not, my heart's beginning to beat faster. You do all that and work to make SURE people around you treat others with respect, regardless of their intellect, and you stand a good chance at finding me at your feet.

I'm weird like that.

It's not ALL about intellect. But then again, there is a place for intellect in the big soup we call relationships too. And just like making sure the soup has the right amount of salt for each individual person, intellect is the same way. Attraction based on intellect is the same way. I It's alll a matter of degrees.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 5:05:44 AM   
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I'm disappointed I didn't provoke more disagreement, so at the risk of sounding like a petulant brat, I'll reiterate my earlier claim. I'm not necessarily agitating for attention; it's just that I seem to disagree with the underlying assumption of most of these posts, and so far no one has said anything that leads me to change my mind.

I'll say this. I don't disagree that among people who actually think about this kind of thing (which, by hypothesis, includes practically anyone posting on this thread) intelligence is important. I'll simply contend that most people don't think. Not about relationships, not about psychology, not about themselves.

I'm certain I can't be the only intelligent person here who's found his or her intellect either a liability or at least an asset overwhelmed by other liabilities. In either case, my experience has certainly not been that intelligence is an overriding positive. Maybe all of you are simply better people than the norm (which I don't doubt) but I can't agree that intelligence is a plus among the majority of people.

I'ld be happy to be convinced otherwise - I'ld be happy to move to wherever it is that it IS true. But I would be curious if someone could at least address my pessimism....



Intelligence can be a liability in this type of forum. I have been told my intelligent is intimidating to men. But I am not looking for an insecure man who is easily intimidated - esp by me! CM isn't as bad as other sites which assume you are only there for a quick hook-up, kleenex relationship (I am horny, and I want someone to play with/use now and then no more), meet-n-beat of the week, or primarily sexual connections. At least on CM, there is more emphasis on relationship as a goal. 

But I have to admit, having an IQ above 150-160 limits the potential pool somewhat (but then so does not having a Barbie body). I'm not bragging nor would I give it up. I survived the type of spinal meningitis that kills or mentally retards more than 98% of all who contract it. It's a blessing to be alive, not be retarded, and be intelligent. I didn't ask for a high IQ, but I'm not turning it down either. It doesn't make me better than anyone else, nor does it make me worse- just different. Intelligence for me is social, personal, interactive, curiousity, people - much more than degrees. I enjoy mental stimulation (when I can find it) that is real, hands on, reality type information, discussion - passionate, zesty and fun! Hypothetical or classroom knowledge is interesting on occasion, but I seek it out much less. I went to college and am shy of a bachelor's by a few credits. I am discriminated against in my job - there are those who finished their degree who get more doors open for it. Side by side, I perform above their level (and my job description) but I'm fortunate to have gotten as high as I have so far without a degree - it's rare. But my path has some very interesting twists and turns that I wouldn't give up!

When I look at my working retirement plan to be my own boss, develop several independent income streams and provide service to people, going back to school takes a back seat.

I wish I had the patience for those who type 'r u' and don't know the difference between their, there, and they're and to, two, too (and dominant and dominate - grins)....and I know the difference between misspelling and making typo errors.... But someone who can communicate well is someone who gets my attention, especially if they communicate well in the written form (My hats off to many on the forums, I am drawn back here time and again because of you). An intelligent dominant would use my skills as an advantage, lol! If all else about a person blew me away, lack of communication skills can still be a problem if it affects how they get along in the world with other people. Intelligence is the capacity to think, learn, interact and relate to people - it's never about putting others down to make yourself look better. Humility and compassion are huge components. Periodic self-review or self-evaluations are also something I look for - I'm not perfect, but have I done the best I can do? Have I harmed no one? What can I do to improve? In the nilla world, I've dated the whole socio-economic-educational spectrum...from men with GED, to PhD's; blue collar, minimum wage, white collar and several millionaires. I found intelligent, interesting men at every level, but if they couldn't keep up, attention waned.

I was also taught that others perceive us by the way we present ourselves. So in my family, bad spelling, bad handwriting, sloppy communication was the same as wearing wrinkled, dirty clothes with holes in them - not acceptable. If you take pride in  yourself, being sloppy isn't allowed (gotta love the growing up as a military dependent experience!) It was thoroughly ingrained and I can't  undo it!

But maybe it all boils down to expectations - I'm looking for intelligent, like-minded people to interact with, and am open to a man who is a good match for a relationship should it happen. I need someone who is passionate outside the bed as well as in it. As a man said, most men are here for sex.

Wildy who is sincerely humble (and proud) and interested in hearing your story!

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 5:09:10 AM   
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"She saw the measure of the man, not the measure of his intellect.
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For those who say "intellect matters," and for those who say say that while they are constantly being told that intellect matters but rarely find someone who appreciates them for their intellect, I'd have to say that it's all a matter of degrees (not the earned kind) and that there is always more that enters into that whole "intellect matters" argument than just intellect."


Juliet,

Very well said - thank you!

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 6:48:11 AM   
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I think that intelligence is sexy, actually.  I love it when someone writes to me, and I have to look up a word that they've used, and then think about it and apply it to what they're saying, so that I can better respond.  And yet, on the same note similar to what juliet wrote, there are quite a few people out there that are at an incredibly high intellectual level...and are the most boring, monotoned, lifeless people to ever walk the earth.  Brilliance is brilliance, I'll say that--but rolling the intelligence, and the humor, and the casual playful banter, and the sex appeal, and the control factor, among other things, all rolled into one...is what appeals to me more than anything.


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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 8:32:30 AM   
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But I have to admit, having an IQ above 150-160 limits the potential pool somewhat (but then so does not having a Barbie body).


lol... You know... I don't even KNOW my IQ... but then, I don't want to. It means nothing beyond the perceived ability to learn. I'm curious, insatiable when it comes to knowing and experiencing new things. I also appreciate learning in tiny steps and can celebrate learning to tie shoes as heartily as I can someone receiving their Master's Degree.

What's fun for me is that the person I wound up with...can celebrate someone receiving their Master's Degree and tying shoes with equal abandon as well. I think he's brilliant. Sometimes, that brilliance comes from the degrees he's earned and sometimes, his brilliance comes from his ability to appreciate the little things in life. It's the thirst for learning - at whatever level - that just kicks it for me.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/21/2007 8:52:19 AM   
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Intelligence is one ingredient in a personality. Intelligence isn't a virtue. It doesn't make someone a good or bad person.

When judging someone's worthiness online I tend to look for clues that the person has a suitable attention span. The conclusions people reach depend on their ability to pay attention and put two and two together.

Some people pay attention more intelligently than others. A compatible attention span is almost more important to me in any type of relationship than intelligence and even morals. If we're all paying attention then we can tell for sure if we want to spend time with each other.

Intelligence is like stupid human tricks. I may pat you on the head and give you a cookie for being a smart boy but it won't make me want you if you don't pay attention to the things that matter to me.


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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/22/2007 4:58:14 PM   
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But I have to admit, having an IQ above 150-160 limits the potential pool somewhat (but then so does not having a Barbie body).


lol... You know... I don't even KNOW my IQ... but then, I don't want to. It means nothing beyond the perceived ability to learn. I'm curious, insatiable when it comes to knowing and experiencing new things. I also appreciate learning in tiny steps and can celebrate learning to tie shoes as heartily as I can someone receiving their Master's Degree.

What's fun for me is that the person I wound up with...can celebrate someone receiving their Master's Degree and tying shoes with equal abandon as well. I think he's brilliant. Sometimes, that brilliance comes from the degrees he's earned and sometimes, his brilliance comes from his ability to appreciate the little things in life. It's the thirst for learning - at whatever level - that just kicks it for me.

juliet




The number means little to me either - I think they kept testing it out of surprise that I wasn't mentally retarded (obviously wasn't dead). And in high school, I was always being pulled out of class to be tested for something or another. It's an area that I was treated as being different from others - not a good thing in high school. It's never been the most important part of who I am and I don't go parading it around or overlording people with it - I won't join MENSA. I don't require a partner to have a minimum level of IQ or anything. I agree with you and Lilonyx, it can be sexy when it's part of a whole - passionate, fun, with humor, with a similar thirst for learning. etc. And now (except for this type of discussions) it's a part of me that I downplay a lot. There's a lot of me that you have to scratch the surface to find out - and most aren't interested in making the effort. Which is good, because I'm more interested in those that do take time to look beneath the surface.

I do enjoy the challenge of being around other interesting people and having those deep 2-bottle of wine discussions that continue to 3 or 4 am. Passionate discussions that expand the mind, present new facets to consider without getting feelings hurt are fun, debating for the sheer fun of the debate without attachment to the outcomes - and rare, with no regard whether based on intelligence, intellect, edcuation or experience.
Humbly,

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/22/2007 7:00:50 PM   
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For me, I look for someone of comparable intelligence.


While I hate to knock up a thread that's gone past its lifetime, this is just a good point.

It's so utterly hard for people to understand things beyond them, and the one more intelligent, as DarkDreams said, would be left with  little to see in the other.

This said, there are exceptions to my agreement on this point.  Not to sound like an egotistical bastard, but I don't find many slaves quite up to my level.  I'm well practiced in the art of restraining myself- to basically leave much of my brain out of situations, conversations, and general usage.  It's quite possible to bring yourself down to others' levels, if only you're willing to forget yourself for a while.  Just make sure you don't forget entirely. ;)

I've had a couple of good slaves like this.  A previous slave, I was fond of, because I didn't have to go down much to be on the same level with her.
One I've had before was mentally retarded.  Half special-ed classes, half not.  (Well, she was something more of a pet.  I kept telling her to go away, but she won the spot through persistence.  And clinging to my leg.  Litearlly.)  She was an interesting experience.  While I could never quite get down to her level, well, do people who keep dogs expect an intellectual equal?  She wanted to be a pet, and she was.  It worked, despite a disparity in intelligence.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 9:20:57 AM   
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Intelligence is very important to me. I don't want to belong to an airhead. As for what I look for to determine that online, I have to be honest and say I haven't figured that out yet. When 'uhmm' is every fourth word out of you mouth is a huge red flag, but so very few people type it out and make it difficult to ascertain who the space cadets are.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 9:36:15 AM   
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I want to say that you all have made some very astute observations on the issue personally I feel that like previously stated an I.Q. is just a number plain and simple the true spark is in the indiviual. I for example have a 105 nothing to brag about either way but within is a intelligence that can not be measured. Look at all those savants doing genius things but with a childs understanding it is astounding. We all proffer what is inate what is learned is a bonus. Don't get Me wrong I am not saying I don't like intelligence I am saying though that I.Q. is a secondary intelligence for the most  

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 10:37:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDreams123

I would like to somewhat echo, Olorin's comments....For me, I look for someone of comparable intelligence.

-DarkDreams


That's it and the reason for all the online psych tests that match you with a partner.

I'm going to edit this to say you can be degreed out the yazoo in some boring scientific subject and not be educated in my mind. I want abstract, philosophical, literary and artistic thinkers.

The point is that we all seek intelligent people in fields we appreciate. Personally, I don't want the person with a PhD in the best composition of highway roadbeds or something.

< Message edited by ExSteelAgain -- 4/23/2007 10:44:45 AM >


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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 10:53:18 AM   
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I generally have no interest in someone who cannot think and express themselves choherently.



Margaret makes me kind of hot too.  Curvy freethinking women dressed in tight shiny black outfits are in dangerously short supply.




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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 11:06:26 AM   
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Everyone is Dumb,

but in differing subjects.



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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 4:34:45 PM   
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Everyone is Dumb,

but in differing subjects.



I like that.  How does the saying go?  A jack of all trades is a master of none.  Or something like that.  I dunno.  I'm just onyx.


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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 8:23:19 PM   
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Everyone is Dumb,

but in differing subjects.






...kill this thread.  Make it quick, and do it now.  Aim high.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/23/2007 8:28:58 PM   
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Very interesting thread.

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