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CreativeDominant -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 5:42:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petronius


Reading this I am amazed that I keep running into submissives who ask for my picture instead of the results of my IQ test.

Go figure!



~ROFLMCDAO~ [:(]




UtopianRanger -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 5:58:15 PM)

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What is the importance of intellect to you in selecting a partner?  Some, all or none...?

What are the things you look for online that exemplify intellect?  If you previously answered "none", no need to post further.  Go back and look at more pictures.


Since I live in the ''here and now'', I live by one simple rule... I don't care how much money they make... if they can't tell me who Paul Wolfowitz is without using an internet search engine, I'm disappointed.

On the other hand....if they can tell me who he is and then also rattle off a brief description of the Twenty-ninth amendment, I'm excited.[8|]





- R





gypsygrl -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:12:40 PM)

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I completely get what you mean here. It's a deep form of intimacy with my partner and I that we can call eachother vapid dorks all the time :)


Right.  For me, there's something very intimate about being dopey with someone.  It means I trust them enough to let my weaknesses show.  And I can be really dopey.  :)

I have to do some screening of potentials to make sure its not my intelligence that they're primarily attracted to.  I've made mistakes that way in the past.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:12:56 PM)

I will add something...though it is probably a rehash of all that has been said...quite intelligently by most, I might add.

Intellect is not the same as intelligence. While I have two degrees of my own, it doesn't matter to me whether my partner has one or a dozen. I might even look askance at the one with a dozen, perhaps afraid I could not keep up with her or due to fear of the whole over-analysis thing I noted earlier.

I want them both...along with a certain look. But I admit, my standards for looks are not as rigid as some...nor as lax as others. But they definitely are not the most important part.




Griswold -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:13:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

What is the importance of intellect to you in selecting a partner?  Some, all or none...?

What are the things you look for online that exemplify intellect?  If you previously answered "none", no need to post further.  Go back and look at more pictures.

I'd be particularly interested in skipping past those posts which are excessively long, include numerous quotes or, god help us all, links...

but if you have an original thought, feeling or opinion, why not share it as if we were all listening?  No need to write an epic, summarize for us, please.

and so, another good conversational topic is thrown to the wolves.


Intelligence is everything to me.

If you don't have that...you can have the best stack on the planet...I won't even look at you.




patina -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:16:28 PM)

I want someone who is able to hold an intelligent conversation with me.  Smartness does not mean they can talk and be worth listening too.  I have a girl friend who is very smart but is dumber than dog shi% when it comes to having common sense and just talkig to people. 

patina




jauntyone -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:28:34 PM)

Greetings
 
Impossible to answer unless someone can come up with a 'universal' definiton of what intelligence would mean.
 
I wish you well
 
melissa




hereyesruponyou -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 6:48:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blushingflower

When I comment that she's dumb, he'll say that she might just be playing dumb, but that's as big a turn-off to me as actually being dumb.



I don't often get away with playing dumb, but I do admit to playing "helpless" to get a big strong man to do something i don't want to (like unclog the toilet).....  It's not my fault if they fall for it




CuriousLord -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:05:55 PM)

You have to be one of the more intellect-obsessed posters I know.  More than me.. and I've spent the past nine years in college!

At any rate, yes, intelligence is a strong selling point on a slave.  It depends on what I want from one, though.  Looking for only one type of person is rather boring, especially since I tend to keep several at a time, I'm not limited to having to chose one with certain necessary qualities, as another can fill such a position later when she's available.

For intelligent slaves, I typically end up with the artsy sort.  Not the kind you can have an intellectual debate with, but are filled with ideas and imagination nonetheless.  They typically fill my more "partner" roled-slaves, while others tend to be pets.  I can respect them as human, even if not quite equals.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:06:43 PM)

I'd like to echo the responses of most people here.  If a man doesn't stimulate my mind, there is little chance he is going to stimulate my body.




MercTech -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:07:55 PM)

Hmmm, helpless.  I used to think helpless was attractive.  There is an ego boost to "taking care" of someone.  "Male Nurturing" is to fix problems.
But competance has its own attractiveness.  I have little patience with someone who ACTS helpless.  I'm much more likely to respond favorably to a simple request for help.

This topic reminds me of a button I saw worn, "Intelligent women turn me on.  Very intelligent women take me home."

Ruminating,
Stefan




needDomme -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:17:17 PM)

I have an advanced degree and in my opinion, academic credentials are only indicaticve of hard work and achieving an academic goal. Nothing more.

need




mstrj69 -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:26:18 PM)

   There is a difference between being helpless and not being knowledgable.  To me helpless would be someone who can not move or do anything no matter how hard they try or don't want to try.  Lack of knowledge just means that you could do it if you were properly taught.  You can compare that to newbies or someone who needs help changing a light switch




subsa -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:35:18 PM)

as most have said intelligence is pretty high up there for me in choosing compatible friends/partners.  but there are many different types of intelligence.  i like to be challenged in an intellectual way.  so i am often interested in people who exhibit intelligence in areas that are not my strengths.  as far as being educated...most employers will tell you, the degree proves you can learn but says little about how intelligent you are.  however, having (or not having a degree)  is a tool for shortening the process of finding an employee (or a partner).  it cuts down on the applicants.  that's not to say that there are no extemely intelligent people without degrees; of course there are.  many things in life can get in the way of getting an education.  still, it can be a measuring stick of sorts.   it may not be fair but who said life was fair? 
last point...intelligence and common sense are not even close to the same thing in my estimation.  i value both, but the question here was about intelligence not common sense. 




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:43:41 PM)

To me it is as simple as finding someone compatible on many levels..of course you want someone intelligient!..why would anyone say I do not desire intelligience, I want someone stupid!..sheesh!..and of course intellectual appeal is variable upon every single individual..So in essence what I am saying is give me someone that I can talk with,laugh with,share thoughts and ideas.I have no desire to compare IQ levels, degrees,or a head full of trivia...just someone with whom I can share and learn from all at the same time and never run out of things to talk about. As someone said..engage my mind and the rest will easily follow...Tempting




Olorin -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:44:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I confess: Shallow queen that I am, I lust after guys who embody the old saying "Nothing upstairs, but what a staircase."


I must confess your honesty is refreshing. When popular opinion gets around to admitting that that's the rule, and not the exception among women's attitudes about intelligence, I'll get off my snarky high-horse regarding the capacity of people for self-deception.




LadyPact -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:53:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrj69

  There is a difference between being helpless and not being knowledgable.  To me helpless would be someone who can not move or do anything no matter how hard they try or don't want to try.  Lack of knowledge just means that you could do it if you were properly taught.  You can compare that to newbies or someone who needs help changing a light switch


Actually, isn't that what the general rule is to designate the difference between ignorance and stupidity?  That being that ignorance is the lack of education, stupidity being unwilling to use it?




SusanofO -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 7:53:33 PM)

I will say that one drawback to being halfway intelligent, that I've encountered personally (although rarely w/someone else I considered really intelligent) is that another person may seem to think that if I expand a conversation, by bringing up alternate points of view, or different ways of looking at something (and not in a defensive way, or because I don't want to do something their way) they almost always think I am being "obstinate" or "difficult" or "challenging". This really bugs me, because - even though I am a Switch, when I am in submissive mode, I am about truly as submissive as it is possible to be.

So actually, while degrees, and being near someone who can broaden one's horizons, etc. are all good reasons, IMO, for wanting an intelligent partner, I think one of the main reasons I consider it important, is simply because I don't want many things I may say, to be automatically construed as fodder for an argument, simply because I am expressing an alternate POV, or trying to just keep a conversation going. I don't want it seen as out-right disagreeing or arguing with them, when that simply isn't the case.

Now sometimes, what the other person says is truly the result of a misunderstanding, or because they have a concern, etc - but I almost always know when that is the case, so that's not what I refer to here. I know the difference, and I never begrudge anyone a chance to be heard under those circumstances, and expect the same treatment in return. I am truly fair-minded, IMO (really).

I used to think that maybe what I am referring to happened, because someone was maybe just not very diplomatic, but since it has happened even w/people I consider to have nice manners, I can say that isn't true, really. I also considered whether I was at fault, but since I usually (95% of the time anyway) have nice manners as well, I don't think that is/was the problem.

I think the problem is really that the other person - 

**Jumps to a conclusion, about something I say, and their conclusion, for some reason, is never flattering when they do this. They don't bother to check out, when they do this, if whatever they've concluded I said is what I really meant, or even if there is another way to look at whatever the topic is (regardless of what my particular POV may be).

**It's more like they've decided there is one way, and only one way, to see things. And I consider this to be somewhat stupid (sorry, but I truly do). And I am not mean, or a snob.  

I am not talking about instances where it's obvious a Dominant is in the right, such as a request for task to be done, or me questioning them asking something of me as far as that goes, etc. Like I said before, when I am submissive, I am pretty darned submissive.

It's more like it happens just when we're having a general, regular conversation thing. I see it as somewhat an obstacle, although I can work around it, and it isn't something to incredibly dislike someone for doing, IMO (unless they get really mean in response to me). But - it can be just generally really annoying to hear, and watch, people jump to conclusions (especially if they are unflattering ones) based on what is really their own lack of imagination, IMO.

Sorry if that sounds offensive, it isn't meant to be, at all.  And sorry if it sounds whiny. It doesn't really happen that often, but when it does, it's annoying - and is the main reason I seek an intelligent partner. 

- Susan




Olorin -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 8:02:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I will say that one drawback to being halfway intelligent that I've encountered personally (although never usually w/someone I considered really intelligent) is that they seem to think if I expand a conversation, by bringing up alternate points of view, or different ways of looking at something (not in a defensive way, or because I don't want to do something their way) they almost always think I am being "obstinate" or "difficult" or "challenging".

*snip*
I think the problem is the other person - 

Jumps to a conclusion about something I say, and their conclusion is never flattering. They don't bother to check out if this is what I really meant, or  even if there is another way to look at whatever the topic is - even without my particular POV. It's more like they've decided there is one way to see things. And I consider this to be somewhat stupid (sorry, but I do). And I am not mena, or a snob. But it can really bug me. 

- Susan


Susan - excellent point. I have this problem at my job - any time I want to discuss something, or suggest alternate points of view, it is typically taken as me trying to "start something" (whatever that means). This is especially true about politics, sure, but really just about anything else - any time you try to be prudently skeptical, try to establish some reason for holding your beliefs or trying to find what reasons others have, you're trying to pick a fight.

I'm in trouble at work today and I might lose my job; I've been hating it for several months now. One good thing if it happens - I'm tired of being treated as if just being myself is somehow an affront to decorum. Whatever happened to honest inquiry as a legitimate conversational mode?




SusanofO -> RE: Intellectual Appeal (4/18/2007 8:08:23 PM)

Olorin: I am so sorry to hear that. I've really tried to figure this out, too, and in no way do I consider myself to be un-diplomatic, or generally a "prickly personality". I guess I've concluded some people just can't handle it when other people think, and then I get to suffer for it, sometimes, too - instead of vice-versa, or just plain two people being nice to eachother, instead.

I do know that many times at work it is simply easier (and in some cases, smarter), to "go along to get along". I get along /w people fine on a job, usually. But I know there are circumstance where I've really found this phenomena hard to stomach - especially if it means some project is going to have mediocre results, when they could be spectacular, instead, IMO. Frankly, I see this phenomena as a Management's problem.

Actually, I haven't personally really suffered for it, more like I've just been annoyed by it, mostly. But - your experience tends to tell me this pheomena can indeed be a serious problem. My heart goes out to you, I'll say some prayers.

Good luck (although if the people who work there are really that closed-minded, then maybe you really are better off elsewhere). Still, what an atmosphere to have to battle, simply because you've got a working brain. Sorry that happened to you.

*In retrospect, I had a really stupid boss once (and I mean stump-material, and she was truly bitchy besides). It was really hard for me to get anything of substance done at that job, and I eventually left. I've had some truly wonderful bosses as well.

But w/the boss I refer to, I had to spend hours and hours, explaining stuff to her (and other people) that she was supposed to be in charge of, and then she'd sabotage me at work, because I made her paranoid (even though I was nice at work, and even to her). This happened when she really didn't IMO, need to feel "threatened", because she was obviously my boss, and therefore the one with the true authority, as far as "rank".
That situation really sucked, too, so I hear you.  Good luck.

- Susan  




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