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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 4:01:34 PM   
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i do believe that a total ban on  semi-automatic and automatic weapons needs to be done.


Would you care to explain why you have those beliefs?

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 4:04:07 PM   
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At the risk of doing a little bit of America bashing I must point out the following...

A common defense for having the populace walking abroad armed to the teeth is that people who are inclined to commit murder and mayhem will do so whether carrying a gun or not, therefore law abiding citizens need arms to protect themselves from the "bad guys"

The question that might be asked is why are there so many "bad guys" in the US. ?

I know from discussions on other Web sites that many Americans dont know .and will not believe that Europeans dont shoot one another at the same rate as do .Americans.


seeksfemslave:
Carrying two handguns and a dagger is hardly being  "armed to the teeth"
"Armed to the teeth" implies substantially more fire power than that.
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 4:09:56 PM   
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Automatic weapons for all intents and purposes are banned.  Why would you ban semi-automatic weapons?
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 4:18:13 PM   
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According to this assault rifles AND other longarms were linked to 694 deaths in the US in 2004

in 2005 the US experienced almost 17,000 murders (which includes firearms and non-firearms)


Assault rifles have no effect on the US society whatsoever... except to sell media stories to the sheep.

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 4:22:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

At the risk of doing a little bit of America bashing I must point out the following...

A common defense for having the populace walking abroad armed to the teeth is that people who are inclined to commit murder and mayhem will do so whether carrying a gun or not, therefore law abiding citizens need arms to protect themselves from the "bad guys"

The question that might be asked is why are there so many "bad guys" in the US. ?

I know from discussions on other Web sites that many Americans dont know .and will not believe that Europeans dont shoot one another at the same rate as do .Americans.



Seeks, one word, immigration.
Seems we don't have enough home grown "bad guys" so the lefties think we should import them from third world countries because they're "underprivilidged."
And after they get here they want us to pay for them as well.
Just like all their "feel good" legislation on guns you can see how well this is going to work out can't you?
All "feel good" legislation , rules, laws etc are doomed to failure right from the git go.

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:12:03 PM   
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Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense.  Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:16:41 PM   
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Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense.  Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.

Sinergy

Sinergy:
I do not see any difference between a three day for bullets and a three day wait for a gun.  If I want to kill someone,all waiting three days is gonna do is make me madder.
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:17:33 PM   
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Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense. Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.


The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"

fin'



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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:21:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense. Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.


The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"

fin'



farglebargle:
I am all in favor of gun control,gun control means using both hands.
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:25:58 PM   
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Thank you for posting this information.  After a tragedy such
as Virginia Tech, our society asks many questions and searches
for possible solutions.  Open discussion is vital to a democracy.


NOT a democracy a republic!!!  come on! 



Real0ne, a bit of a thread hijack here, but out of interest, what is the difference in practice.


a republic has its foundations in law.   (the constitution), yes there is a point where it transforms into a democracy at the 75/25 ratio, but until then it is purely a republic.   i do see your point that is a biot of both but the foundation is law, not rule by mob.    as it is in a democracy   A democracy can vote to take your land, a republic cannot unless the nations laws are amended and that takes a 75/25 vote.  So the democracy has to be seriously unified across the whole nation.

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:29:40 PM   
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Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense. Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.


The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"

fin'




hey i am for gun control too!  1/2" group at 300 yards, that is pretty good gun control.


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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:31:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense. Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.


The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"

fin'




Hitler was for art too...

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:32:41 PM   
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Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense.  Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.

Sinergy

I have to disagree.  The gun can still be used as an effective club if the bullets are missing.

Now on to my topic statements.   In my opinion gun control doesn't do squat.  If someone wants to kill another person or even threaten them they can use just about anything....a knife, rock, branch, sharpened pencil, or a dull pencil for that matter.  I worked at an inpatient psych facility...one of many careers lol.  Trust me ANYTHING is a weapon.  So why do we waste so much time, money, and energy on pursuing  it.


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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:38:52 PM   
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The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"



Goodwin's Law triumphs again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

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As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


I know this is only page 2 of this thread but it is really part of one multi-thread discussion, so the case holds.

Hitler was also for cheap cars, dogs, vegetarianism and urban landscape painting. Not sure what this proves either, fargle, but it makes for tidy reparte.


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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:45:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


Was reading an interesting article this morning about a movement to require a 3 day waiting period and background checks to buy ammunition.

Made the point that guns dont kill people, bullets do.

Made a lot of sense. Criminals can waltz in to a gun store, buy a trunk load of bullets, sell them to people in parks and near schools, and nobody is any the wiser.

Not sure how I feel about the whole thing, but the article did make a good point.


The entire subject of Gun Control sums up this simply:

"Hitler was FOR GUN CONTROL"

fin'




Hitler was for art too...


Yeah, but did he send 6 million DISARMED artists to the ovens?

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:49:34 PM   
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As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


I definitely have to give you that one.


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Hitler was also for cheap cars, dogs, vegetarianism and urban landscape painting. Not sure what this proves either, fargle, but it makes for tidy reparte.


All quips aside, what was really meant by that statement is that was one of the fundamental measures Hitler used as dictator to bend the people to his tyrannical will (after all, at his most popular his party only had thirty-some percent of the vote). The first things he did were control the press and regulate firearms. 

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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:49:36 PM   
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A democracy is not mob rule...How you arrive at that is beyond my comprehension.  Lets say for sake of arguement that the U.S. was a democracy and not a republic.  Could the people in that democracy vote to over turn the constutution or the bill of rights even with a 99/1 ratio?  The answer is a resounding no.  The only way to change the constitution or the bill of rights is with a constitutional convention.  Leave the "mob rule" rhetoric to rush & co.
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The only way to change the constitution or the bill of rights is with a constitutional convention. "

Uh... There IS an accepted Amendment Process which doesn't require a Constitutional Convention.



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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:53:21 PM   
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RE: Interesting stats on guns and crime - 4/20/2007 5:58:09 PM   
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Real0ne:
A democracy is not mob rule...How you arrive at that is beyond my comprehension.  Lets say for sake of arguement that the U.S. was a democracy and not a republic.  Could the people in that democracy vote to over turn the constutution or the bill of rights even with a 99/1 ratio?  The answer is a resounding no.  The only way to change the constitution or the bill of rights is with a constitutional convention.  Leave the "mob rule" rhetoric to rush & co.
thompson


democracy is considered mob rule because if 100 people get together to say they want your land and 51 vote yes and 49 vote no say bye bye to your land.  Thatr is democracy, we do not live in a democray, sort of, where lawws prevent that from happening, thus the benifits of a republic, dont tell me i have that all f'd up because i really dont feel like researching tonite.  LOL


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