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He was extremely strong in regards to the 9-11 tragedy.  What about his number of his divorces and his wife's?  Also what about his opinions he voiced while he was mayor that is totally different than what the republican party stands for?  Can he stand up when he changes his mind to adhere to the party line?

minnetar

Dont care about his personal life.  Not relevant to political views.

To get a mandate in the Republican party involves catering to the religious right.  Giuliani is pro-choice and not opposed to homosexual marraige, despite what his party wants him to be.

Sinergy

Sir i care to disagree.  The Republican party will have a hard time endorsing someone based on his personal life.  Oops but how invasive are they in all aspects of life.  Sorry that is how i feel and how judgemental they are.  i apologize but that is my belief.

minnetar

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      Popeye, you just have to get past the immigration thing.  It's a lost cause.

   Any Republican who pledges to deport the illegals will be just as full of shit as any Dem who swears we are getting out of the ME.  Our soft, spoiled, lazy generation of entitlement babies will be fine for running the video game, death machines (assuming whatever idiots in charge keep the control centers well dispersed and concealed) but our new Citizens are gonna get drafted as infantry to pay the admission fee....

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It makes a lot more sense for the Dims to split up.

      Sanity, I have often objected to the use of such derogatory terms by those on the Left.  I find it no less objectionable when it comes from the side I now find myself on.

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Interesting theory about the Democrats being fractured, Sanity.  Doesnt really stand up to analysis, however.

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Which party was it that took control of both houses of Congress in the last election?

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Interesting theory about the Democrats being fractured, Sanity.  Doesnt really stand up to analysis, however.

Except, your very own behavior says otherwise - the fact that you and j.o. both voted third party last time around, and say that Hillary isn't a good prospect to get your vote THIS time around.

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Which party was it that took control of both houses of Congress in the last election?

And which had control the time before that. Things are very nearly 50-50 right now despite the fact that you haven't noticed yet

And a third party run will be a calamity for the Left

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

This does not make any sense.

I was a registered Green.

Please clarify how my behavior implies the Democrats are fractured?  I have not been a member of the Democratic party since Reagan was president.

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We have another election coming up soon.  There will be more Republicans up for reelection.  I suspect a large number of them will lose their jobs as well.

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This does not make any sense.

I was a registered Green.

Please clarify how my behavior implies the Democrats are fractured?  I have not been a member of the Democratic party since Reagan was president.

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We have another election coming up soon.  There will be more Republicans up for reelection.  I suspect a large number of them will lose their jobs as well.

You're right, what was I thinking. In fact, I believe that I will join you.

GO RALPH NADER
 
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Your words seem to indicate that you believe that everyone is truly one party or the other depending upon Right V Left. I would state that this is truly an erroneous belief on your part. Some of us believe that there is no substantial difference between the two parties. It is a little like picking out a football team, which jersey do you like, Republican or Democrat? It really is inane to some of us that think the two party system is ran by the same interests... corporate interests. These interests are busy buying the Democrats as we speak, and soon they will probably end up as corrupted as the Republicans were. There will be a few exceptions (just as with the republicans), but by and large the whores will whore themselves.

Now there will be a Libertarian candidate, and that candidate will attract voters that could be identified as votes "lost" by the Republican party. If you stated that to a Libertarian they would probably tell you, just as we have told you, the Republicans do not represent them, the Republicans never "had" them....

It really comes down to this, do you think the two parties are "owed" our vote? Aren't they supposed to earn that vote by supporting our interests? Both sides sold that out a long long time ago (NAFTA is but one example). So those who feel our vote is sacred tend to not cast it for swine.

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I am not making any statement about Democrats, I am not one, I have not read any information about their cohesiveness or the lack thereof. I have read information about the implosion of the Republican party.

How can I abandon something that I never belonged to?

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Your words seem to indicate that you believe that everyone is truly one party or the other depending upon Right V Left. I would state that this is truly an erroneous belief on your part. Some of us believe that there is no substantial difference between the two parties. It is a little like picking out a football team, which jersey do you like, Republican or Democrat? It really is inane to some of us that think the two party system is ran by the same interests... corporate interests. These interests are busy buying the Democrats as we speak, and soon they will probably end up as corrupted as the Republicans were. There will be a few exceptions (just as with the republicans), but by and large the whores will whore themselves.

Now there will be a Libertarian candidate, and that candidate will attract voters that could be identified as votes "lost" by the Republican party. If you stated that to a Libertarian they would probably tell you, just as we have told you, the Republicans do not represent them, the Republicans never "had" them....

It really comes down to this, do you think the two parties are "owed" our vote? Aren't they supposed to earn that vote by supporting our interests? Both sides sold that out a long long time ago (NAFTA is but one example). So those who feel our vote is sacred tend to not cast it for swine.

I'm trying to agree with you, but you make it really hard to do. First you said that the Democrats are not splitting up, and now you're saying it's time to abandon those whores for another party.

This is so sad! I don't know what to think now!!!

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    If CA was in doubt for '08, if your individual vote might conceivably mean something, would you still cast a token to Ralph? 

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p.s.  Please call me Sinergy.  I tend to prefer people not in a dynamic to just refer to me by name and not make assumptions about what side of the flogger I am on.

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GO RALPH NADER
 

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I am not making any statement about Democrats, I am not one, I have not read any information about their cohesiveness or the lack thereof. I have read information about the implosion of the Republican party.

How can I abandon something that I never belonged to?

You've forgotten what we were discussing, which was your claim that the Republicans will soon split. I said that the Left was more likely to split, and then you proved me right. All the rest is obfuscation and backpedaling on your part, and now you're trying to claim that I didn't understand what you said... funny

Thanks for all the laughs

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I imagine the difficulty you are having is splitting the entire universe into the Left / Right and shoving all Left into Democrat and all Right into Republican dichotomy.

Perhaps if you started to think outside the box, you might not have difficulty understanding what we are saying.

I agree with certain ideas the Democrats have.  I agree with certain ideas the Republicans have.

I disagree with certain ideas everybody has.

I consider myself, for the most part, to exist out on the tree-hugging, pro-choice, owl saving, granola eating, peace loving, liberal wacko fringe. 

How I vote is I do a concerted study of the issues as written, decide how I feel about a particular issue, and vote accordingly.  What I dont do is get a list of how Rush Limbaugh or my Union or the Democrats think I should vote, turn off my brain, and vote according to the list.

I make up my mind how I feel about a particular issue and vote accordingly.

I was also incorrect in my comment about not being a Democrat since Reagan.  I joined the Democratic party long enough to vote against Jane Harman in the last Democratic primary in California.

After the election, it was time to switch to Independent / Decline To State (instead of Green) for a while.

Sinergy