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meatcleaver -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 4:06:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Yeah Meat, that and Neo Nazi stuff.  One just got convicted for his writings on holocoust denial.  Isn't it more than just Germany?  I stand corrected if wrong.  If there was ever a candidate for an idea to ban, it would be that, but I philosophically disagree with the idea of banning ideas.  Not being in a library or elementary school is not banning.


I think it is just Germany but there is a move by a couple of countries to ban it through the EU which is worrying and rather stupid, since I'm sure everything must be on the internet somewhere.



Sanity -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 7:00:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie
So now we just have to put up with the madness of those that banned the "Ba Ba Black Sheep" nursery rhymme in case it upset black people and all the other politically correct nonsense that comes up regularly.


And fundys from the Left who try to ban Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and O'Reilly










DomKen -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 7:54:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And fundys from the Left who try to ban Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and O'Reilly

Who, where and when tried to ban books by any of these authors? IOW put up or shut up.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 8:05:12 AM)

Had it been left to me I would have banned Last Exit to Brooklyn by Hubert Selby.

If anyone has read it tell me what's it for other then depraved wank fodder.
Note the depraved. Wank fodder is OK.

Also I would ban any book/film in which the Mafia are shown in what can be construed as a good light.
Goodfellas being an example. I haven't seen it, only the opening sequence where someone is getting kicked, possibly to death
If that isn't Goodfellas then I would ban the film for which that is the opening scene.
Toss Pot Robert de Niro does the footwork.

You Americans and your violent entertainment....really.



juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 8:15:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And fundys from the Left who try to ban Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and O'Reilly

Who, where and when tried to ban books by any of these authors? IOW put up or shut up.


Perhaps he confused the people above trying to get the Dixie Chicks banned on their radio station (Clear Channel) with someone trying to ban them...



Sanity -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 8:36:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Who, where and when tried to ban books by any of these authors? IOW put up or shut up.


Okay, here's one example, friend. And please - don't thank me, I'm just happy to provide you with an education!

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Proposed Ban of Ann Coulter's book Godless
On June 8, 2006, Stender and Assemblywoman Joan M. Quigley proposed banning the sale of Ann Coulter's book Godless: The Church of Liberalism in New Jersey. They issued a joint press release, calling on "..New Jersey retailers to ban the sale of her book throughout the state."
A few days after Stender and Quigley's press release was issued, it was edited on the New Jersey Assembly Democratic Majority website. The word "ban" was replaced with the word "boycott" in two instances (in the title and in the third paragraph).[8] The original text of the press release can viewed on several websites.[9][10][11][12][13]
Stender and Quigley issued the press release in response to Coulter's criticism of the Jersey Girls, four widows of the September 11, 2001 attacks from New Jersey who have criticized U.S. policies in the events leading up to September 11th. Due to this press release Stender and Quigley were both featured on Larry King Live on CNN.
Stender and Quigley's call to ban Coulter's book has been denounced as censorship by some.[14][15] However, others have defended the two by saying that they were merely advocating a boycott, which would allow the book to continue being published uncensored.



Sanity -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 8:43:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Perhaps he confused the people above trying to get the Dixie Chicks banned on their radio station (Clear Channel) with someone trying to ban them...


1. The Dixie Chicks are "artists" and not authors. They're not smart enough to come up with unique ideas on theior own, they were basically just media whores.

2. No one tried to ban them anywhere.



juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 9:45:01 AM)

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1. The Dixie Chicks are "artists" and not authors. They're not smart enough to come up with unique ideas on theior own, they were basically just media whores




So now literature is not art?

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2. No one tried to ban them anywhere.
http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2003/03/17/daily14.html

http://www.freemuse.org/sw14092.asp


ooookkkkkaaaaaayyyyy, I suppose you do not consider breaking up their CDs, burning them in a huge pile (I remember seeing that and thinking "How lovely, a good ol fashioned art burning"). Perhaps you do not remember these things because they were not important to you, but they were important to me because Clear Channel has a lot of power and a lot of radio stations, and the way they use that power is at times reprehensible seeing they use OUR public airways




seeksfemslave -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 9:56:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
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sanity
1. The Dixie Chicks are "artists" and not authors. They're not smart enough to come up with unique ideas on theior own, they were basically just media whores

So now literature is not art?


Dr A K A Demik thinks that his favourite blonde academic has got her wires crossed. !Too many conflicting "sauces" perhaps ?



juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:01:00 AM)

I sincerely do not understand that statement, but having taken literature courses in college, it was indeed considered art by their definition... Harry Potter is very good literature and art btw



seeksfemslave -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:15:29 AM)

The Dixie Chicks are a girlie "pop" group NO?

I'm getting worried,maybe there is something about them I dont know, or maybe there is something earlier in the thread that I missed.
It must be my fault !



Sanity -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:17:56 AM)

No julia, trained seals aren't the same as authors, and declining to put such trained seals on your show isn't comperable in any way to banning books. And if you really think that the government should decide what gets airtime and what doesn't, I suggest you go start your own country




juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:26:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

The Dixie Chicks are a girlie "pop" group NO?

I'm getting worried,maybe there is something about them I dont know, or maybe there is something earlier in the thread that I missed.
It must be my fault !


They are not a pop group, they are a country western trio, with pop cross over, they sound very blue grass which is thought to be an American artform, like jazz is. I am not fond the the genre personally, but the sisters in the band are classically trained musicians, not pop canned bubblegum crap like so many others. Now seeing that their music is very respected by their peers, I will let those with musical acumen decide was is art and what is not... I have no expertise in this arena



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The Dixie Chicks are a thirteen-time Grammy Award-winning female country music/rock music trio from the United States comprising Emily Robison, Martie Maguire and Natalie Maines. They are the highest-selling female band in any musical genre, having sold 30 million albums as of June 2006.[1]

The new Dixie Chicks lineup consisted of group leader Martie (Erwin) Siedel (fiddle, mandolin and vocals), Emily Erwin (guitar, dobro, banjo and vocals), and Natalie Maines (lead vocal and in concerts, guitar). Natalie added a strong and distinctive voice to the sisters' musicianship and harmony vocals, and the combination clicked.




Sanity -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:27:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I sincerely do not understand that statement, but having taken literature courses in college, it was indeed considered art by their definition... Harry Potter is very good literature and art btw


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you got ripped off bad. All they taught you in that college of yours was twaddle.



juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 10:34:27 AM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art#Forms.2C_genres.2C_mediums.2C_and_styles

The creative arts are often divided into more specific categories, such as decorative arts, plastic arts, performing arts, or literature. So for example painting is a form of plastic art, and poetry is a form of literature.
An art form is a specific form for artistic expression to take, it is a more specific term than art in general, but less specific than “genre.” Some examples include, but are by no means, limited to:



Alumbrado -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 11:02:46 AM)

Not girlie pop (perhaps that poster has them confused with Shonen Knife [8D]), and definitely not bluegrass ( no 'high lonesome' )...


The females are the 'front persons', the entire band includes legendary Austin musician Lloyd Maines, who has played for Uncle Tupelo, David Byrnes, Joe Ely, Wilco, et al. as well as several other musicians with a wealth of experience and talent between them.

Current lineup:
http://www.dixiechicks.com/06_band.asp





popeye1250 -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 12:06:07 PM)

U.M.'s books that never made it.

1. "Eggs, toilet paper and your school."
2. "Daddy's new wife Robert."
3. "Daddy drinks because you cry!"
4. " Strangers have the best candy."
5. "The little sissy who snitched!"

I had to laugh when Harry Potter came out.
I was thinking to myself, "how long will it take the holy rollers to jump on this book?
Not long.
They're funny they're so predictable!
The thing is is that the "Politically Correct" people are in the same camp as the book-banning holy rollers.
Strange bedfellows indeed!



Musicmystery -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 12:49:44 PM)

Hi folks,

I think we've run into some definition difficulties, as well as some grey factual areas.

Please consider:

-the Dixie Chicks weren't banned per se. They were boycotted. Banning a work comes from government, while boycotts are a consumer oriented activity. Yes, connected issues, but certainly the distinction is significant.

-at least for the purposes of this thread, may we agree that "art" is any creative endeavor--literature, visual arts, music, dance, and so forth--and further that artists may choose to entertain, provoke, protest, or any number of things to attempt to futher human thought.

Thank you for all your ideas.

Tim




popeye1250 -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 1:28:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Hi folks,

I think we've run into some definition difficulties, as well as some grey factual areas.

Please consider:

-the Dixie Chicks weren't banned per se. They were boycotted. Banning a work comes from government, while boycotts are a consumer oriented activity. Yes, connected issues, but certainly the distinction is significant.

-at least for the purposes of this thread, may we agree that "art" is any creative endeavor--literature, visual arts, music, dance, and so forth--and further that artists may choose to entertain, provoke, protest, or any number of things to attempt to futher human thought.

Thank you for all your ideas.

Tim




Yes, good point between "Banned" and "Boycotted."
"Art" is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
I'm not a fan of censorship at all.
That's just another slippery slope.
The holy rollers and P.C. people must be real miserable bastards.
If it's "fun" they don't seem to like it!
Hmm, maybe being miserable is "fun" to them?



juliaoceania -> RE: Banning Books (4/22/2007 6:32:28 PM)

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-the Dixie Chicks weren't banned per se. They were boycotted. Banning a work comes from government, while boycotts are a consumer oriented activity. Yes, connected issues, but certainly the distinction is significant.


Clear Channel, a very conservative company with ties to republicans and vested interests at the time in what the FCC decided with Michael Powell at the head of it, banned The Dixie Chicks...

edited to state it was not Clear Channel but Cumulus Media, which also hosted the smashing ceremony where Dixie Chicks CDs were smashed.




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