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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 10:32:05 AM

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perhaps another thing that may be going on is that witty and playful sarcasm doesn't always translate well into type....maybe it comes acrossed different then intended when read on the boards.... just a thought

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 10:41:18 AM

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I will note that for the most part this sort of innanity does not seem to happen amongst packs of .... men.
No, they assuredly don't turn girly and pant, they just have major pissing contests and insult each other. i know you spend alot of time in the off topic section of these forums. Have you SEEN some of the comments these men lob at each other? (No offense to anyone in particular - just a rebuttal here). If that's not "innanity" i don't know what is. They get downright mean! i think all groups can have conversations that turn innane and silly. i'm not so sure that's a bad thing.

It also does not seem to happen so much in discussions where dominants add contributions.
Again, i'm not sure what data this is based on. Observations of folks you've met in person or what? 'Cause if it's from the forums on here, i think the assumption that female submissives are as a whole "sillier" or need to be "moderated" by a dominant person to have serious conversations is just incorrect.

(Perhaps the better question would be... why do I find it so vastly annoying?)
Um, i really don't have a clue. And not sure why i find this post so annoying except that it kind of assumes submissive females need someone "smart" and "domly" to keep them thinking straight.........slave luci

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:02:02 AM

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Hi puella,

It drives me crazy, I often just wait for them to break out the lollies and water balloons.

It is more prevalent here on one forum than others but I used to see it in chat rooms all the time too.

The thing is that behavior gets rewarded, if it didn't they would stop doing it.

I don't think it has -anything- to do with looking for someone(or havng someone who does) to take care of you or with not wanting responsbility..I fit that category and I would stick flaming needles in my eye balls before I would engage in that type of behavior.

That type of silly immature "girliness" is rewarded in some way or they would stop doing it.

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Disclaimer: I have always maintained that I am (to some degree) a misogynist....

I have been greatly saddened to observe that if you get any number of female submissives together (and yes, it does seem to be more prevalent in the subcategory of submissive women, specifically) invariably, if there is not another element moderating the behavior (of either dominance by men or women), to reign in it all in if you will, the level of discussion will degrade down to giggling, sighing or panting girlieness, no matter the staidness or gravity of the original morsel tossed out for discussion.

Pat your hackles back down, girls... there are obvious exceptions to this observation.

However, that being said, I will note that for the most part this sort of innanity does not seem to happen amongst packs of dominant women, men or even to such a degree with submissive men. It also does not seem to happen so much in discussions where dominants add contributions. Which prompts me to ask... WTF?

(Perhaps the better question would be... why do I find it so vastly annoying?)

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:38:12 AM

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I have been greatly saddened to observe that if you get any number of female submissives together........the level of discussion will degrade down to...........panting girlieness, no matter the staidness or gravity of the original morsel tossed out for discussion.

You haven't seen them when I toss my cock into the bargain...........they're like a bag of cats.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:43:23 AM

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I'd much rather be giggling and girly than discuss Kierkegaard if it comes down to that. I have spent more than enough time in my life displaying adult sophisticated cocktail party banter and behavior to know I don't enjoy it and much prefer letting down my hair and being natural. And I don't discuss politics, too damned much vituperation.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:48:37 AM

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I have to agree with Chewsie on this one. For whatever reason the childish behaviour is appreciated by some and rewarded. It always reminds me of middle school.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for fun and silliness but sometimes it gets very sickening.

(this from a woman that was helping a 2 and a 4 yo make mud for their Tonka trucks to drive thru and making "forts" with chairs and sheets, the other day)

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:55:56 AM

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I have to admit to often being annoyed by the silly giggling back and forth banter that usually has nothing to do with the topic at hand. i know i should, and generally do ignore it, but sometimes i just have to comment.
I just wonder why...if people want to have a direct back and forth giggle/silly session with friends, they don't just do so in a chatroom? I've noticed the same thing on the yahoo message board i belong to, people writing a direct comment to an individual, yet the email goes to all on the list, i really don't feel the need to be privy to their personal correspondence with eachother.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 11:58:47 AM

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I'd much rather be giggling and girly than discuss Kierkegaard if it comes down to that. I have spent more than enough time in my life displaying adult sophisticated cocktail party banter and behavior to know I don't enjoy it and much prefer letting down my hair and being natural. And I don't discuss politics, too damned much vituperation.

i agree with this....i have raised my kids, done the sports, and cheerleading...been a PTA board memeber and a Sunday School teacher.....i AM an adult...now i dont know if i am one of the ladies you speak of or not...but i am having fun being me...i do that HOPFULLY without stepping on anyones toes or offending anyone(onebody has the right to do that) other then that....tough cookies....i am who i am...and yes that means silly at times...i've earned it.....

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:05:05 PM

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Maybe I misunderstood the OP....but I thought we were referring to real time conversations and not silliness on message boards and in chat rooms.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:07:45 PM

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I have a bunch of male friends I am comfortable enough with to do idiotic things with, whether chemically induced or otherwise.

A perfect example was getting plowed one night back in high school and being toilet papered by my "friends." Those bastards even took pictures.

I would tend to think this sort of behavior results from familiarity (breeds attempt: Oscar Wilde (I think)) and being comfortable around the people one is with. Men in general tend to have more fear of being embarrassed than women do, and it takes a lot more to get them to lower their guard and relax.

Throw somebody one feels has altitude, like some man or a Dominant into the mix and everybody reverts to their hyper-controlled, dont upset the Teacher, mode.

Just me, etc.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:34:45 PM

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Damn it, I missed your cock again!

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:44:26 PM

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Hello mistoferin,

Actually, I was referring to the message boards here on collarme (though I can only imagine how much more vastly annoying and slappable an offense it would be at a play party or gathering or what-not). I only know a handful of people here offline, and so, would not dream of commenting on their behavior there, as it is not something I would have observed. Everyone needs down time, silly time, etc, I do not begrudge myself or anyone else that. That is not what I am talking about. Not at all what I am talking about, actually.

Very specifically in my OP (or so I thought) I referenced a collective set of behavior that seems to degenerate more and more when the numbers increase and when (though it galls me to say it) when there are no 'superiors' contributing to the thread in a more suitable manner for the topic at hand.

Something jogged my memory when I was thinking of this of a topic in the Ask a Mistress forum a while back, where a sub-male wanted to become a dumb, ditzy blonde. When probed as to why, he replied that that was the most feminine, girley type of female... I wonder if this is not in some way related to the behaviors I am talking about... this sort of cloying, sicophantic, sickly-sweet, head-bobbing yes baby-dollie, ,silly she-beast type of behavior.

That was a mouthful... where is NG's cock? heh

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:53:47 PM

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ahhhhh....well thank you for clarifying puella. I don't get to the lower boards often, mostly because a little silliness is a good thing but one could overdose on it there. I can assure you that it is not a problem that is exclusive online though. I have seen many discussion groups of submissive women at munches quickly dissolve into uncontrollable giggles and silliness. I'm all for having a good time but I can only handle that type of silliness in small doses.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 12:55:54 PM

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Hehe, if only it were confined to the stupidity section...

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 1:00:55 PM

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Juat another observation...vanilla women are the same way. Put a group of them together in any social situation with men there, and they also revert to the giggly, silly, helpless female. And the guys just eat that stuff up! One reason why I'd never go out with women.....i'd be with the guys, and we'd be laughing our asses off! Of course, i was never the girlie type anyway, and that type of behavior used to drive me nuts! I'm with the "shake some sense into their heads" group!

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 1:13:48 PM

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Damn it, I missed your cock again!

Third time lucky eh. I'll give you the nod next time ;-)

On the OP, I struggle with women behaving like pre-pubescent girls, and blokes too, and simply lose commitment after 10 seconds of small talk.

I think it's an interest and curiosity thing rather than sexual persuasion or gender - if you're actively engaged in trying to overthrow the government and install a stateless, anarchist society built on voluntary co-operation, freedom and mutual harmony, and some woman wants to talk endless shit about endless pairs of shoes, then you've just got to accept that it's two trains chugging away on lines that will never cross.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 2:10:02 PM

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I've noticed it when a group of vanilla gals get together and the chatter is flying unrestrained. Nobody is saying anything but everyone is happy as hell yacking about nothing? Let em have their fun cause it's obviuos they're having a blast....???? (scratching head in wonder)

Now on the other hand....NOTHING worse than a bunch of men sitting around bs'n and the testosterone is flying! Throw in a few beers and the boys really start the bullshit and ya need hipwaders to get thru all the bs.....

It goes both ways I think?

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 2:44:22 PM

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It does, but my OP is not about the chest thumpers... I will let one of their own address that.

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 3:35:13 PM

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Maybe this is why I rarely come across as ~sub like~ ... sure I can get silly at times but silly or empty headed is the last thing I want to be noticed for. (yes another note for silly being an attention getter)
((of course that doesnt mean that those who give attention to silly are what I would want to attract anyway!))

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RE: How not to make friends and alienate like peoples.... - 4/24/2007 4:21:58 PM

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I believe the genesis of the whole "Im just a girl, giggle, hair flip" phenom is a desire to see girlish and carefree, in most instances. I, personally, don't find it attractive. I didn't find this behavior attractive when I was actually a teenager, I find it less so as an adult coming from other adults.

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