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ORIGINAL: velvetears

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

...i tried to do so. i was never successful. so as i said, to have such an impossible demand made of me would naturally make me miserable and feel like a worthless slave to be honest. 

Isn't the worth of a slave determined by the master and not the slave?

edited to add, while the high sex drive slave forbidden to orgasm again might not experience personal happiness or contentment, she will (or should) still be fulfilled because she is able to please her Master by complying with his demands.

And you can categorically say that a slave should be fulfilled, even if she is denied something she needs because she is complying with her master's demands?  This may be according to YOUR dynamic, i don't think you should speak for others because i think a lot will say if they were denied something they felt they needed they would not be fulfilled or happy and most likely leave that situation.

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

You were the one who said you are a slave yet in the same breath you are talking about your needs.  Do you understand that a slave has none?  Your basic argument with her is about wanting your needs fulfilled as she has said she has none.  How can you argue the two?

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

i am done with it.  How many times do i have to reiterate that a slave's only need is to fulfill what her Master deems it to be and you just don't get that concept.  i give up.

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

This thread has degenerated to the point of idiocy. Where on earth would anyone get the idea that a slave's only need is to fulfill her Master's needs? The last time I checked, slaves were still human beings.....and there are NO needless human beings.

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ORIGINAL: Shanghaid
I don't fear giving pleasure.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Your quote above got me to thinking. I wonder if some Dominants do not give pleasure because they fear that doing so will detract from or minimize their Dominance.

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ORIGINAL: minnetar
This is where you specifically talk about slaves and their needs and as i said i thought the slave's purpose was to fulfill her Master's need and not have any of her own but you have a different agenda.

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Your quote above got me to thinking. I wonder if some Dominants do not give pleasure because they fear that doing so will detract from or minimize their Dominance.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you see, i think it does take unusual confidence to be completely comfortable (guilt-free) with "doing what they want to do".

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ORIGINAL: minnetar
isn't a slaves purpose to fulfill her Master's needs therefore she basically has no needs of her own.
No.  Every living being has needs. 
If she has them then isn't she basically a submissive?
No.  See above. 
you are stating a slaves needs like they are rights and doesn't a slave have none other than to please her Master?
No.  As a slave, i have needs just like any other living thing.  Trying to convince a slave she is not one because she has needs is, in my opinion, a ridiculous and erroneous thing to do.  If someone considers herself a slave and she says she has no needs, that's cool.  This slave and many, many others have no need to pretend that, as living creatures, we don't have any needs.  Just differences in slaves, i guess.............slave luci

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: minnetar
fine then you aren't a slave and why debate prop when she is?  You have entirely different mindsets.
minnetar
Wow...it takes a lot of nerve to decide who is and who isn't a slave.  i wasn't aware you had cornered the market on making those decisons.  prop identifies as a slave and so do many, many other people here.  We don't have to measure up to your or her standards or fit your arbitrary definitions to truly be a slave....WTF?...........slave luci

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

You were the one who said you are a slave yet in the same breath you are talking about your needs.  Do you understand that a slave has none?
No, i do not.  And many others don't "understand" your assumption of this either....slave luci

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

i am done with it.  How many times do i have to reiterate that a slave's only need is to fulfill what her Master deems it to be
As many times as it takes to convince you and anyone else who will buy it.  Sorry, just not ever gonna convince me.  i don't "get that concept" because i don't live in a fantasy world.........slave luci
and you just don't get that concept.  i give up

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This slave and many, many others have no need to pretend that, as living creatures, we don't have any needs.

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Absolutely.  And a lot of subs fear that also- that's PART of why they can't stand to ask directly for things or have their master serve them in any way.

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ORIGINAL: tricia
 The way i have chosen ( in the bigger picture) to prioritize my needs is not necessarily a character flaw on my part
Absolutely true.  Prioritize your needs in whatever way works for you.  At least you admit that, as a living, breathing human, you HAVE needs.  That was my only point.....luci