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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 8:42:18 PM   
minnetar


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ORIGINAL: velvetears

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...i tried to do so. i was never successful. so as i said, to have such an impossible demand made of me would naturally make me miserable and feel like a worthless slave to be honest. 

Isn't the worth of a slave determined by the master and not the slave?

edited to add, while the high sex drive slave forbidden to orgasm again might not experience personal happiness or contentment, she will (or should) still be fulfilled because she is able to please her Master by complying with his demands.


And you can categorically say that a slave should be fulfilled, even if she is denied something she needs because she is complying with her master's demands?  This may be according to YOUR dynamic, i don't think you should speak for others because i think a lot will say if they were denied something they felt they needed they would not be fulfilled or happy and most likely leave that situation.



This is where you specifically talk about slaves and their needs and as i said i thought the slave's purpose was to fulfill her Master's need and not have any of her own but you have a different agenda.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 8:53:39 PM   
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You were the one who said you are a slave yet in the same breath you are talking about your needs.  Do you understand that a slave has none?  Your basic argument with her is about wanting your needs fulfilled as she has said she has none.  How can you argue the two?

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i said i was a slave?  Please find where i said that and post it.

Do you understand that a slave does indeed have needs. 

That is not the basic discussion at all, it is over orgasm control.  Please don't interject the word argue in here - maybe it's the way you see it, but it is not what is happening.  Learn the difference.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 8:56:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		i am done with it.  How many times do i have to reiterate that a slave's only need is to fulfill what her Master deems it to be and you just don't get that concept.  i give up.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 8:59:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sheesh...I found this truly interesting.  Can always learn something new when people are having a discussion over different ideas and views.

A Dominant whether Master, Top or just plain ole Dom, is no more confident denying a slave, sub or bottom's orgasms than one who demands orgasm on command, or indulges said slave, sub or bottom by allowing him or her to have them.  My Master practices both, as he deems necessary.  Orgasming on command is entirely possible for many people.  Just takes practice and training.  Though I do understand that some people just can't do it, and that is fine too.

Also no person or person's way is really better than anothers.  That is why the right match is so very important.  The only people that matter are the one's involved in their own relationship.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 9:03:16 PM   
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i am done with it.  How many times do i have to reiterate that a slave's only need is to fulfill what her Master deems it to be and you just don't get that concept.  i give up.

minnetar



According TO YOU!!  Who are you to say what a slaves only needs are?? If that is YOUR definition of slavery then fine - don't speak for others.

< Message edited by velvetears -- 5/3/2007 9:04:42 PM >

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 9:08:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread has degenerated to the point of idiocy. Where on earth would anyone get the idea that a slave's only need is to fulfill her Master's needs? The last time I checked, slaves were still human beings.....and there are NO needless human beings.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 9:13:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is true.  It was interesting up until a page or two back and then it degenerated into bickering...lol.  Funny how that happens so frequently at times.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/3/2007 9:14:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

This thread has degenerated to the point of idiocy. Where on earth would anyone get the idea that a slave's only need is to fulfill her Master's needs? The last time I checked, slaves were still human beings.....and there are NO needless human beings.


Thank you mistoferin, i agree and have no idea why the purpose of the posts shifted, i certainly did not want a debate on slave vs sub.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 12:18:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally speaking, I like giving orgasms. It's another aspect of control. I love taking a sub to *almost*there* and holding that plateau until they go crazy.

I would never think to not care. It's part of the overall experience. If I truly didn't care, I'd fuck sheep. (but I do, so I don't...)

This reminds me of an earlier thread about anal sex. I don't put a lot of attention on it but pretty much expect that I'll be having that. Not everyone's first (etc...) experience is 100% positive so sometimes it's a matter of taking things slowly. That said, I enjoy anal sex and have (eventually) mutually enjoyed it with all my subs/girlfriends.

Because I enjoy giving pleasure, as well as receiving it doesn't lessen my power. It expands it. I don't fear giving pleasure.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 6:37:14 AM   
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I don't fear giving pleasure.


Shanghaid, thank you for a responding with a view that is likely shared by many Dominants. They do so because they enjoy giving pleasure.

Your quote above got me to thinking. I wonder if some Dominants do not give pleasure because they fear that doing so will detract from or minimize their Dominance.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 7:25:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Your quote above got me to thinking. I wonder if some Dominants do not give pleasure because they fear that doing so will detract from or minimize their Dominance.


I'm willing to bet there are.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 7:43:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar
This is where you specifically talk about slaves and their needs and as i said i thought the slave's purpose was to fulfill her Master's need and not have any of her own but you have a different agenda.

minnetar

I know I'd never accept a slave who had no needs or desires of their own.  I want someone who stays true to who they are- and doesn't just fall into the first collar that rolls along.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 7:46:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Your quote above got me to thinking. I wonder if some Dominants do not give pleasure because they fear that doing so will detract from or minimize their Dominance.

Absolutely.  And a lot of subs fear that also- that's PART of why they can't stand to ask directly for things or have their master serve them in any way.

But for me, that's why I said in the beginning I couldn't play with Prop.  I WANT her to be feeling what I want her to feel.  And sometimes I WANT my partners to feel pleasure and happy from my direct physical ministrations.  She wouldn't.  She'd enjoy serving, but she'd be very conflicted and unhappy over the focus on her and her pleasure.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 8:14:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you see, i think it does take unusual confidence to be completely comfortable (guilt-free) with "doing what they want to do".


I just want to interject that I think this is the heart of the issue in the thread.  I'm perfectly fine with believing and knowing that there are some dominants that want to get off (orgasm, have sexual pleasure) with absolute disregard for whether the submissive is sexually aroused, enjoying it, experiencing pleasure.  And those dominants are doing exactly what they want to do by disregarding their submissives pleasure or enjoyment.

What I think though is that you/daddysprop don't seem to understand that there are also some dominants that are doing PRECISELY and EXACTLY what they want to do when they do XYZ action to make their submissive orgasm or just experience some physical enjoyment. 

C~


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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:18:04 AM   
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isn't a slaves purpose to fulfill her Master's needs therefore she basically has no needs of her own.
No.  Every living being has needs. 
If she has them then isn't she basically a submissive?
No.  See above. 
you are stating a slaves needs like they are rights and doesn't a slave have none other than to please her Master?
No.  As a slave, i have needs just like any other living thing.  Trying to convince a slave she is not one because she has needs is, in my opinion, a ridiculous and erroneous thing to do.  If someone considers herself a slave and she says she has no needs, that's cool.  This slave and many, many others have no need to pretend that, as living creatures, we don't have any needs.  Just differences in slaves, i guess.............slave luci

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:21:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar
fine then you aren't a slave and why debate prop when she is?  You have entirely different mindsets.
minnetar
Wow...it takes a lot of nerve to decide who is and who isn't a slave.  i wasn't aware you had cornered the market on making those decisons.  prop identifies as a slave and so do many, many other people here.  We don't have to measure up to your or her standards or fit your arbitrary definitions to truly be a slave....WTF?...........slave luci


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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:23:46 AM   
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You were the one who said you are a slave yet in the same breath you are talking about your needs.  Do you understand that a slave has none?
No, i do not.  And many others don't "understand" your assumption of this either....slave luci


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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:26:22 AM   
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i am done with it.  How many times do i have to reiterate that a slave's only need is to fulfill what her Master deems it to be
As many times as it takes to convince you and anyone else who will buy it.  Sorry, just not ever gonna convince me.  i don't "get that concept" because i don't live in a fantasy world.........slave luci
and you just don't get that concept.  i give up


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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:46:56 AM   
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This slave and many, many others have no need to pretend that, as living creatures, we don't have any needs.


I've never believed in the "i am a slave in my relationship, therefore, i have no needs" theory.
 
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Absolutely.  And a lot of subs fear that also- that's PART of why they can't stand to ask directly for things or have their master serve them in any way.


But, first and foremost, i have need to live my life true to my nature and who i am.  In my case, to live a life consistent with my perceptions of myself .  To submit to someone who i can respect and who can fulfill all my womenly desires and meet all of those submissive needs. Those needs may be different than some.  The way i have chosen ( in the bigger picture) to prioritize my needs is not necessarily a character flaw on my part.




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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 5/4/2007 9:50:47 AM   
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 The way i have chosen ( in the bigger picture) to prioritize my needs is not necessarily a character flaw on my part
Absolutely true.  Prioritize your needs in whatever way works for you.  At least you admit that, as a living, breathing human, you HAVE needs.  That was my only point.....luci






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