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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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the fact that these detainees were captured by the military and since it was during a military action they are not "under arrest" and thus have only the right to plea their case of not being a combatant to a military court.

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ORIGINAL: Eric15237

UM, have you had your vision checked, or are you becoming unhinged as you are losing the debate. Either way, the answer follows the question immediately. If your intent was to take a jab at my scholarship becasue I have not translated from an original script, please realize that it would make scholarship if an understanding of the world could only begin from a complete translation of all the original texts.

You are really quite toglodyte in your world view, or weltanshaung if you prefer.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Did you ever notice how Fargle signs his posts? This is his signature:

"It's not every generation that gets to watch a civilization fall. Looks like we're in for a hell of a show."

The above quote is what Fargle argues for. The above quote is what Fargle wants to sit back and see. Fargle argued about constitutional rights and for whom they apply and he got nailed. So what does he do? He says "oh no...I was referring to the Declaration of Independence." Very dishonest. Fargle wants to argue against his country. Fargle want to argue against what is in the best interests of his country. The Constitution set forth the duties of the government, does it not? Who does the government owe those duties to? American citizens. So now Fargle wants to say that terrorists get to rely on our Declaration of Independence. Disgusting. Vile. Pernicious.

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ORIGINAL: Eric15237

I think you've got it mostly right (IMHO). However, I don't think it's accurate to say the Bush Administration has dragged their feet. If you look at the process and heartings to date, it's the many challenges to the detention in the first place and challenges about jurisdiction that has kept the military lawyers at work rather than any deliberate delay.

I'm unsure that we are required to provide unlimited numbers of military attorneys, judges and courts to rapidly process those at Guantanmo. There is no relevant language for "right to a sppedy trial" in these extra-jurisdictional matters.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Eric, you are being overly generous in calling him academic. "In New York, every one gets a speedy trial". Did you read that? lololol Everyone gets a speedy trial in every State.