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domiguy -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/28/2007 1:29:01 PM)
She is giving everything up...There isn't exactly a time frame....But my patience would soon dwindle if the word "no" popped into the equation too many times. And yes it is only fitting to receive a nice blow job after anal.

ownedgirlie -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/28/2007 1:49:29 PM)
Going to answer regarding how it was for me: 1) Are you a Dom who likes to get to anal sex sooner or later? He wanted my submission. His use of my backside had to do with the fact that I had not experienced it before, and making it available to him was one of the many ways I expressed my submission to him. He took me anally the very first time he took me physically. 2) Is it the best "hole" of submission? (That was shrud, but if you have a different way of saying it, I'm all ears.) There is no "hole" of submission in our case. Submission comes from my heart and is who I am. He actually prefers doing other things to other holes to elicit a way of expressing my submission. But he will use this one any time he wants, and the pain of it in the beginning (little to no lube or stretching), without protesting, is an expression of submission. 3) Do you, as a dom, look for a girl who is into anal if that is a big plus for you? He will look for a girl who is willing to submit everything to him. It's not about the hole; it's about the submission. 4) Could you live without it if the woman just couldnt? He wouldn't buy into "couldn't." People have the ability to work past fears, traumas, etc. Unless someone physically was unable to provide a particular service, she would be expected to overcome her barriers and hurdles. For some this happens quickly, for others, not so quickly. He would not keep one who was unwilling to work toward that. 5) Do you consider the submissive woman more important than the submissive act of anal control? He considers the submissive heart over the physical. The physical is a way of expressing and demonstrating the emotiona/mental/spiritual. One who was willing to work to overcome barriers as part of her submission would go farther with him than one who was not. If I were to have told him, "I will never give you that, and I will not work to change that position," he would not have kept me - not because he wanted my ass, but because he wanted me to work toward overcoming what I need to, to submit to him fully. Any other thoughts? This goes back to what some say about it's not the "act" that is submissive but the motivation behind it. I had more fear of the belt than of him using my bottom side. I was beaten severely and regulalry with a belt as a youngster. My work to overcome this traumatic fear did more for him than actually striking the flesh. Would you find it within yourself to value her service as submissive and her womanhood, allowing her to know that is what you value first and foremost BEFORE you took her ass? I was very clear that what he wanted was my submission, and that working through my fears to open my backside to him was a way of demonstrating that. Or is the act of submitting her ass, a value you place on her service?? Again, it's not the physical act that shows her value to him; but the motivation behind it.

WhiplashSmile -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/28/2007 2:03:53 PM)
What ownedgirlie posted is how I think and feel about it as well.

Stranger1 -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/28/2007 2:05:47 PM)
Nodding...........what is given up sometimes matters more than what is given.

Suleiman -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/28/2007 5:52:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myobedience quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenix2raven 5. I consider the submissive woman way more important because anal submission isn't all she offers. OMG !! Thank you for being the first one to answer this question... are there amens? or no one else have this opinion? I will agree that there is a certain degree of added spice from that detail, yes.

windchymes -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 5:14:46 AM)
Forbidden fruit always seems to be sweeter. I wonder how desirable anal sex would be to a potential dom if the sub claimed to enjoy it more than anything else, and couldn't wait for him to take her there, immediately?

mnottertail -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 5:54:54 AM)
I think this was answered in the religious dramatization of the title: Anal and the night visitor. Father Casa Della Scugnizzi

RavenMuse -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 12:03:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist I never found it to be a very submissive act; maybe because I enjoy it too much. Now, if you grab the hair, and do some breath play at the same time, it becomes very primal [8D] Knew there was a reason I liked you so much misty [;)][:D]

RavenMuse -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 12:08:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Forbidden fruit always seems to be sweeter. I wonder how desirable anal sex would be to a potential dom if the sub claimed to enjoy it more than anything else, and couldn't wait for him to take her there, immediately? I don't 'get' the forbidden fruit thing. For Me I Own the whole girl and expect to be able to use the whole girl. If she had a particular liking for anal... great so long as she didn't have a dislike of oral or vaginal sex, we'd be quite compatable in that area :)

windchymes -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 3:25:25 PM)
Yes, but you're cool [;)]

IrishMist -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 3:42:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Yes, but you're cool [;)] Isn't that just the truth? [8\|][:D]

RavenMuse -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 4:59:51 PM)
Ah ladys, such flattery .... what ya after???? [;)] Just struck Me I haven't yet answered the OP here... so... 1) Are you a Dom who likes to get to anal sex sooner or later? Sex usualy comes after the point of submission. it will no doubt have been discussed prior, but unlikely to be acted on before submission. I don't DO vanilla and for Me, submission is the real beginning. Once she has submitted, she is Mine, all of her and I will use ALL of her for My pleasure 2) Is it the best "hole" of submission? (That was shrud, but if you have a different way of saying it, I'm all ears.) Whatever I want at that precise moment in time is the 'best'... but if you mean is it the one penatrative option of the three where I have observed the greatest submissive responce in many girls, then yes. 3) Do you, as a dom, look for a girl who is into anal if that is a big plus for you? So long as it is not something they can't do then thats fine. If taking them analy would cause them emotional harm then we are not likely to be compatable long term unless I can help them over the problem. I EXPECT access to ALL My girl, having one option blocked, whichever one it is would become frustrating. 4) Could you live without it if the woman just couldnt? I can live without any relationship at all, so of course I can "live without it"... however it WOULD pose a relationship issue. How big an issue would depend on the relationship. I can't see Me going long term unless I could get her over such a problem. Not just on My side. I don't hide My attitude toward having all of her and if her need to please was faceing not being able to give Me all of her when that is a big issue for Me... that in itself is likely to be harmfull to HER! 5) Do you consider the submissive woman more important than the submissive act of anal control? ABSOLUTELY. But see My answer to 4!

IrishMist -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 5:03:04 PM)
quote: Ah ladys, such flattery .... what ya after???? [;)] Now Master Raven, you know darn well I would never stoop to flattery [8\|] /whistles and looks away

windchymes -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 5:37:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse Ah ladys, such flattery .... what ya after???? [;)] Anal sex

RavenMuse -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 6:02:30 PM)
une telle honte Mon peu d'amour. There is that pond in the way and I'm now 'exlcusive' to the one lucky girl that I own. Else My dear, both your asses would very happily be MINE [:D]

subtravels -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 6:26:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I think this was answered in the religious dramatization of the title: Anal and the night visitor. Father Casa Della Scugnizzi I think even Menotti himself would have laughed at the reference. Well done.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/29/2007 6:28:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myobedience 1) Are you a Dom who likes to get to anal sex sooner or later? I prefer sooner rather then later but I've been known to be somewhat patient in getting into a womans ass. quote: 2) Is it the best "hole" of submission? (That was shrud, but if you have a different way of saying it, I'm all ears.) I don't consider it any of a womans holes part of her submission to me. Just a nice by-product of owning her. quote: 3) Do you, as a dom, look for a girl who is into anal if that is a big plus for you? Yes, but that is based on a compatibility requirement I have with ALL women I'm intimate with. quote: 4) Could you live without it if the woman just couldnt? No, I wouldn't want to. quote: 5) Do you consider the submissive woman more important than the submissive act of anal control? Not if her submission is based solely on her sex. quote: Would you find it within yourself to value her service as submissive and her womanhood, allowing her to know that is what you value first and foremost BEFORE you took her ass? No. quote: Or is the act of submitting her ass, a value you place on her service?? Also no.

MasterSohun -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/30/2007 8:25:18 AM)
when i was becoming a Dom in the 90s and before i was interested in anal,there came a moment when a fellow Dom told me t possess as lave in her entirety she must surrender her asshole,my fist real slave girl,not just a girl i tied up for sex,was into anal that was part of her submission to me.she was very submissive in this respect.i came to valuethis form of her submission as well as other forms of it.in fact i havent quite had a slave like her since.Do i look for it in other slave girls,YES!i find it sometimes,if i had a slave girl who for what ever reason medical or other couldnt?well there are others forms of a slaves devotion.i would not drop her beciase she couldnt,but i do valur anal an i will look for it still

PONYSEEKER -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/30/2007 10:30:19 AM)
So I was wondering........ 1) Are you a Dom who likes to get to anal sex sooner or later? A little on the later side, I certainly would not expect it right of the bat but I would make the sub aware that it is a requirment and it is something where proof is required at some point before the relationship can advance. 2) Is it the best "hole" of submission? (That was shrud, but if you have a different way of saying it, I'm all ears.) Yes, its one of those things that should be offered up without bondage or force. You should be able to get on your knees and elbos place your cheek to the floor and have no concern or hesitation with what may happen next. 3) Do you, as a dom, look for a girl who is into anal if that is a big plus for you? Not specifically, she has to be able to do it but wether or not she likes it is irelevent. 4) Could you live without it if the woman just couldnt? If that situation evolved years down the road due to medical then yes however if a sub told be strait up that she didnt do that then I would look ellsware. 5) Do you consider the submissive woman more important than the submissive act of anal control? Not sure I understand that question compleatly. The sub is allways more important than any one individual act however I firmly believe that the work NO should not be a part of a subs vocabulary and when a relationship is evolving if the word NO comes to mind durring scenes than you are a poor match. If its something you cant do then you should make it a hard limit and only attract Doms that are not into it. Dont false advertise. I can tell you up front that unless you have some kind of medical issue or some kind of mental reason to say no then there is no reason to assume that you are any different than any other sub in which case if you are having difficulty taking it than that is a training issue and its something you can overcome with proper training. Like I said if you are using the word No then its not a good match and defeats some of the purpose of all this.

Aswad -> RE: in regards to anal and the sub (4/30/2007 7:05:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myobedience 1) Are you a Dom who likes to get to anal sex sooner or later? Sure. I prefer anal sex. I could go without penile-vaginal intercourse indefinitely, although I'd prefer to vary occasionally. quote: 2) Is it the best "hole" of submission? (That was shrud, but if you have a different way of saying it, I'm all ears.) Not necessarily. But it is what someone once called the "most honest hole", which is to say that it isn't particularly receptive to penetration unless the other party is hot for you at the time of penetration. Overriding that absence of adequate arousal can have some D/s qualities to it. For me, though, the main thing is that it is more pleasurable, and that I can, if I should want to, cause a significant amount of discomfort and/or pain by varying the technique used, without leaving a mark or causing injuries. quote: 3) Do you, as a dom, look for a girl who is into anal if that is a big plus for you? Nah. I'm looking for the D/s dynamic, mostly, and I'd accept that as a hard limit, for instance. That said, if it isn't a hard limit, I'll be working on it. [:D] quote: 4) Could you live without it if the woman just couldnt? Yes. But, fortunately, my nephandi didn't have any objections to it. quote: 5) Do you consider the submissive woman more important than the submissive act of anal control? Unless there's some sort of objectification (in the sense of dissociating the "function" from the person) involved, the woman is more important. It's about people, and their dynamic, after all.

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