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Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 3:26:06 AM   
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i never would have thought the kgb could be our friends.  This is a McNeely documentary.

With the dismantling of the soviet government everything is for sale now days, nukes and including secret kgb documents and tapes.   you can buy u235 and u238 on the net you know.  Of course that is not weapons grade but an interesting side note.

Apparently there is good reason to believe that there are literally shit loads of these nuke suitcaes scattered around this country    Anyway i found this quite disturbing, and it looks like we can expect a lot more sex scandals with our offficials, other officials that commit crimes and will be exonerated, idiocy and double do in government.

It is going to become an epidemic and it is going to be on all fronts.  Democratic, Republican and i expect 3rd 4th and 30th parties too. 

Expect it.


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 3:54:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a silly fear. Soviet Communism has eroded for more than a decade and the opportunities have existed for a while now. Does the possibility exist for a Mcveigh incident? certainly, but that is the only fear one could be genuinely worried about. If one Muslim sect activated here and unleashed such a device, the middle east would be glass and have a 2,000 year green glow within 14 days. Moreover, every swarthy character with a beard would be rounded up into internment camps or executed by people in the street. Complaints from PC liberals? They only exist when it's convenient and safe. We could lose DC, Chicago, and NYC, and the economy would be derailed, but that would do little against the American people themselves (so far as a war-winning objective is concerned).

As far as that Ilumanti conspiracy nonsense is concerned, you have two logical possiblilities. Either it's a meritless crackpot theory, or they always have been in power they already are in power, and thus they won't need to do anything of the sort to retain their slaves.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 4:20:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) The CIA has a standing bit on any fissionable materials which may come on the market, and will pay better than anyone else.

2) Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54 "All four variants share the same basic core: a nuclear system which is 10.75 inches diameter (270 mm), about 15.7 inches long (400 mm), and weighs around or slightly over 50 pounds (23 kg)."




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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 5:42:10 AM   
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they won't need to do anything of the sort to retain their slaves.


here we agree because their slaves willlingly accept their slavery.

Do you remember the fall of the iron curtain?  The end of the cold war with russia? 

How was that accomplished?   i mean what actually took place in russia that a country as powerful as the us was brought down?  Reagon?


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 8:46:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are aspects to building a nuclear weapon which make it rather unlikely that a terrorist group will be able to build a suitcase nuke.

1)  The machining of the nuclear core has to be perfectly ground, a slight variation in the two hemispheres being slammed into each other, either by their machining or an off-center explosive detonator will turn what could otherwise have been a 10 megaton explosion into a 2 megaton explosion.  Kim Jong Il announced a 20 megaton underground explosion a few years ago.  Seismic sensors determined that it was less than 4 megatons nominal yield.

2)  Fissionable Uranium decomposes into non-fissionable uranium in about 25 or so years.  The only way to get it to work again is to grind it up, centrifuge it, take out the fissionable stuff, and rebuild the bomb.  This level of sophistication is generally lacking by most terrorist organizations, as well as the fact that back-scatter radiation sensors in spy planes can pick up where people are centrifuging fissionable materials.  Fissionable plutonium is extremely rare to manufacture, and requires such an enormous level of technology infrastructure to work with that it would be either kill those working on it or be noticable by everybody because of backscatter sensors.

If the Soviet Union built suitcase nukes during the time of Reagan, it is unlikely any of them would actually work at this point.

I imagine the bigger threat is a conventional bomb loaded with radioactive material to make a radioactive dust plume.  Of course, one has to get a dirty bomb of this type into the country past backscatter radiation sensors, and it has to have a volume of radioactive material to make it dangerous.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 9:45:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Experts say they don't think these nukes would even work anymore. There is maintenance that is required on these things.

Perhaps with enough skill they can create a "dirty bomb" or something. But it is highly unlikely these bombs would cause a nuclear blast.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 10:12:32 AM   
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quote:

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they won't need to do anything of the sort to retain their slaves.


here we agree because their slaves willlingly accept their slavery.

Do you remember the fall of the iron curtain?  The end of the cold war with russia? 

How was that accomplished?   i mean what actually took place in russia that a country as powerful as the us was brought down?  Reagon?



Money and communism brought down the USSR. It was a failed economic system that was unable to compete with capitalism. A lot also had to do with Gorbachev and his reforms.

Did they run out of money because of defense spending? We don't know for sure even today. The Soviets never released true numbers when it came to their budget. We can assume however that defense costs were eating up an inordinate portion of their treasury. Some western economic experts say they were spending as much as 40% of the economy towards their military during the 1980s because of the Communist party's obsession in keeping pace with the Americans. This was creating enormous stress on the average citizen. Reagan's surge of funds into the Pentagon provoked the Soviets to find ways to spend more money.
The USSR also had costly problems hit at the worst times....such as Chernobyl. Not only did the clean up cost an enormous amount of money, but that power plant supplied most of Ukraine and Belarus. And it destroyed those economies. It took years after the accident to recover. Chernobyl also occured right at the height of the Afghan war. In fact, one of the reasons the Soviets lost that war was because of Chernobyl. They had to remove thousands of troops from the front lines and instead help with the clean-up.

So it was not one thing or one person that caused the collapse. It was a number of things.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 10:25:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still waiting for you to disconnect your house from the power grid so you'll stop believing every conspiracy video on Google.

U-238 doesn't do anything, btw.  If it weren't mildly radioactive, you could make slides out of it for kids to use.  Hell, it's so mildly radioactive that you probably could without an issue.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 6:09:29 PM   
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Experts say they don't think these nukes would even work anymore. There is maintenance that is required on these things.

Perhaps with enough skill they can create a "dirty bomb" or something. But it is highly unlikely these bombs would cause a nuclear blast.


The maintenance that is required involves remanufacturing the uranium.  It decays over time from fissionable U-238
to U-235.  Have to go in and get rid of the U-235 and make a new core.

A dirty bomb would scatter radioactive particles, but would not cause a nuclear detonation.

Sinergy

p.s.  Backscatter radiation is a technique where a sensor picks up radiation from radioactive materials.  It is a passive sensor.  These are used at most ports and entryways into the US.  To get one large enough to do anything would require tons of explosive materials and probably another ton or more of radioactive materials.  This would not pass a backscatter sensor undetected.


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 6:22:49 PM   
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I'm still waiting for you to disconnect your house from the power grid so you'll stop believing every conspiracy video on Google.

U-238 doesn't do anything, btw.  If it weren't mildly radioactive, you could make slides out of it for kids to use.  Hell, it's so mildly radioactive that you probably could without an issue.


He's going off grid....didn't you read his post on perpetual energy?

He's going to be wealthier than Bill G.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 6:30:07 PM   
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He's going off grid....didn't you read his post on perpetual energy?

He's going to be wealthier than Bill G.


I don't think so.  The government's probably going to sabotage his generator since they're trying to keep oil from tanking.

If you play MMORPG's, that pun goes three ways.  It's just that kinky.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 6:39:48 PM   
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He's going off grid....didn't you read his post on perpetual energy?

He's going to be wealthier than Bill G.


I don't think so.  The government's probably going to sabotage his generator since they're trying to keep oil from tanking.

If you play MMORPG's, that pun goes three ways.  It's just that kinky.


Motherfuckers.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 8:11:01 PM   
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I imagine the bigger threat is a conventional bomb loaded with radioactive material to make a radioactive dust plume.  Of course, one has to get a dirty bomb of this type into the country past backscatter radiation sensors, and it has to have a volume of radioactive material to make it dangerous.

Sinergy

Edited to deal with a fat finger.



would be a hell of a heavy bomb to shield it lol


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 8:17:57 PM   
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He's going off grid....didn't you read his post on perpetual energy?

He's going to be wealthier than Bill G.


I don't think so.  The government's probably going to sabotage his generator since they're trying to keep oil from tanking.

If you play MMORPG's, that pun goes three ways.  It's just that kinky.


well i suppose that wasnt totally true.  i am reversing the grid actually.  the generator i ordered is 17,000 and will generate enough juice that it will run my house heat it, cool it in summer, and finally crank juice back on to the grid so i wil have a nice little check coming in each month from th epower company.   the whole rig with all costs included will pay for itslf in 2 years and from then after that its pure profit.


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 8:26:34 PM   
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the generator i ordered is 17,000


17,000 what?

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 8:54:22 PM   
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I imagine the bigger threat is a conventional bomb loaded with radioactive material to make a radioactive dust plume.  Of course, one has to get a dirty bomb of this type into the country past backscatter radiation sensors, and it has to have a volume of radioactive material to make it dangerous.

Sinergy

Edited to deal with a fat finger.



would be a hell of a heavy bomb to shield it lol



I made the point about how many tons of explosives and how many tons of a hardcore radioactive material would be required to do anything.

I dont see it happening any time soon.

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 9:21:58 PM   
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the generator i ordered is 17,000


17,000 what?


bucks lol


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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 9:35:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		..you spent 17 kUSD on a generator?  What does it run on?

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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 9:41:39 PM   
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CATERPILLAR XQ GENSETS:

TRAILER-MOUNTED, SOUND ATTENUATED PACKAGES, EACH WITH WEATHERPROOF ENCLOSURE, CRITICAL GRADE EXHAUST SYSTEM, AIR INLET LOUVERS WITH AIR INTAKE BAFFLES, CHARGING ALTERNATOR, ELECTRIC START, RADIATOR, FAN, FAN DRIVE, SAFETY SHUTDOWNS, CATERPILLAR GENERATOR END, BATTERY CHARGER, AUTO OR MANUAL START, ELECTRONIC GOVERNOR, 110 VOLT GFI RECEPTACLE, AND DUAL CIRCUIT BREAKER.

MULTI-VOLTAGE 60 HERTZ: 277/480 VOLT 3 PHASE, 120/240 VOLT 3 PHASE, 120/208 VOLT 3 PHASE, OR 120/240 VOLT SINGLE PHASE.

XQ105 3,000 TO 6,000 HOURS $17,000.00 TO $23,000.00

That's 105KW, btw...



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RE: Ok So Suitcase Nukes Are Real After All? - 5/2/2007 9:44:58 PM   
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I made the point about how many tons of explosives and how many tons of a hardcore radioactive material would be required to do anything.

I dont see it happening any time soon.

Sinergy




Well if the network mcnee works for is even resaonably credible those kgb tapes they bought pint out they are bringing it in across the mexican border.

So this is kgb info, our government forcing the borders to stay open, they can replenish any time they want and haul in tons of materials.

This really wreaks of cue de ta, now that i think about it.  Well that and alex who begged people to write their congressmen and warn them not to blow up the twin twin towers nearly 2 months before it happened in i think july of 2001 is also predicting another disaster to attempt to bring this country under marshal law to implement a full ploice state take over...

i do hope he is wroing this time but i sort of have my doubts unless we stumble on the right thing that scares them off for a while.

i am guessing it may not happen now with this admin any more because gw has drawn to much fire, thats why the sex scandal, typical mo for the eyes wide open.  anyway i am ramblingt LOL


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