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Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:17:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was just reading an article in Yahoo News that said if the Socialists lose the election on Sunday there will be wide-spread violence throughout the country.
Any of our European posters know anything about this?
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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:20:16 PM   
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If you want to discuss there is a cool little French community political forum online. I'd be happy to take you there and...

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:28:23 PM   
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I was just reading an article in Yahoo News that said if the Socialists lose the election on Sunday there will be wide-spread violence throughout the country.
Any of our European posters know anything about this?


Yeah, I'm leading the charge. Any of these conservative fuckers get in my way and I'll chop their knackers off with my scythe.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:30:01 PM   
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Yep. Especially as I'm half Frog.

If you want to discuss there is a cool little French community political forum online. I'd be happy to take you there and...


Sure, I'm game.
But why would there be violence in France if one party loses?
Isn't that kind of poor sportsmanship?

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:31:03 PM   
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*whispers, opining towards tiny Sarkozy and his napoleonic complex*

Do us a favour, NG, chop that wannabe king's effing head off, will you?

I drool in anticipation.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 2:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not that it's poor sportmanship. It's that France, once a good country (regardless of what Bushites may say), has turned into a decrepit no man's  land with nothing left but a remnant of culture and culinary good taste. All that made the country good (social system, healthcare, education, fun foreign policy) has turned to ash. All that made the country crap (racism, fascists, the future president french-kissing Dubbya, and new economy suckers) has blossomed as if it had been showered with fertilizer bought at bulk price from Monsanto.

France needs a bloody good revolution again (hell, that's what we... sorry, they, specialise in). It's the only way to turn things around. Remember the lyrics to the national anthem? Oh you probably don't know them... well I'll share with you later *wink.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 3:14:07 PM   
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I was just reading an article in Yahoo News that said if the Socialists lose the election on Sunday there will be wide-spread violence throughout the country.
Any of our European posters know anything about this?


Normal pre-election scare tactics. Chances are the socialists will lose because they haven't really got any policies and Royal has started to look like a potential president too late. France seems ready for a big change and it seems like the right have won the argument.

France has a history of rioting and direct action and politicians let it run and let the crowds burn of steam, it really isn't a big deal. When Brits riot, there really is a problem but to the French, rioting is a phase you go through before accepting the inevitable.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 3:32:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Socialists are going to lose big time. Segolene Royal (Socialist canidate) lost the debate the other day and lost her temper. Now she has resorted to scare tactics in order to get votes. She's finished.
She had little chance to beat Sarkozy anyway.

Will there be violence and protests. Probably. Socialists always protest and demonstrate when they lose elections. Nothing new about that.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 3:40:45 PM   
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Socialists are going to lose big time. Segolene Royal (Socialist canidate) lost the debate the other day and lost her temper. Now she has resorted to scare tactics in order to get votes. She's finished.
She had little chance to beat Sarkozy anyway.

Will there be violence and protests. Probably. Socialists always protest and demonstrate when they lose elections. Nothing new about that.


I watched the debate live and don't need a translator to tell me who won and who lost. I thought Royal was the most impressive she had been and had the measure of Sarkozy who didn't impress that much and at times seemed more concerned about not losing his temper than taking part in the debate. But then he was out in front in the polls and could afford to play a defensive game. It will be a surprise if Royal wins but I wouldn't count it out. When the French go to the polls and think about what Sarkozy's policies will mean, they might balk at vting for him.

Oh and in France, it is not unusual for the right to riot and take direct action. It is a national pass time.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 3:46:11 PM   
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Meatcleaver
When Brits riot, there really is a problem but to the French, rioting is a phase you go through before accepting the inevitable.


Except when they stopped meat imports from the UK. lol.  

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 4:05:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		This just makes me laugh...

The elitist, peace loving smarter than the room, French left. So civilized, so well mannered, so advanced socially and politically. So... so... tolerant!
 
Islam is wreaking havoc on the French culture and language so the people ARE staging a "bloody good revolution"  kitten and hoping to elect someone who will do something about it. 


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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 4:23:08 PM   
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This just makes me laugh...

The elitist, peace loving smarter than the room, French left. So civilized, so well mannered, so advanced socially and politically. So... so... tolerant!
 
Islam is wreaking havoc on the French culture and language so the people ARE staging a "bloody good revolution"  kitten and hoping to elect someone who will do something about it. 




What's this Sarkozy guy all about?
Yes, the Socialists remind me of spoiled children.
"Gimme, gimme, gimme!"
If Sarkosy gets in will he start deporting muslims?

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 4:56:51 PM   
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Islam is wreaking havoc on the French culture and language so the people ARE staging a "bloody good revolution"  kitten and hoping to elect someone who will do something about it. 



Obviously Islam is getting a worse press in America than in Europe. I can only assume the American media is exaggerating the problems in France. The problem in France isn't Islam, it is enclaves of poverty and if those enclaves were christian, they would have the same problems.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:09:02 PM   
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Islam is wreaking havoc on the French culture and language so the people ARE staging a "bloody good revolution"  kitten and hoping to elect someone who will do something about it. 



Obviously Islam is getting a worse press in America than in Europe. I can only assume the American media is exaggerating the problems in France. The problem in France isn't Islam, it is enclaves of poverty and if those enclaves were christian, they would have the same problems.


Here we go again. I suppose you also think poverty is the cause for violence and terrorism? I've read study after study by countless sociologists and that claim has been completely debunked. Poverty does not lead to terrorism. That's a myth. Keep in mind that many of the 9/11 hijackers were educated...Mohammed Atta was educated in Germany as a matter of fact. Money was not their motivating factor. It was their religion.

10% of the French population is muslim. 55% of those immigrants do not have a job at all! They are living off the state. And the non-immigrant French population has a declining birthrate. It's simple mathematics. France has a problem. A serious one.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:26:35 PM   
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Here we go again. I suppose you also think poverty is the cause for violence and terrorism? I've read study after study by countless sociologists and that claim has been completely debunked. Poverty does not lead to terrorism. That's a myth. Keep in mind that many of the 9/11 hijackers were educated...Mohammed Atta was educated in Germany as a matter of fact. Money was not their motivating factor. It was their religion.

10% of the French population is muslim. 55% of those immigrants do not have a job at all! They are living off the state. And the non-immigrant French population has a declining birthrate. It's simple mathematics. France has a problem. A serious one.


Rioting is not terrorism. I'm aware terrorists are usually middleclass well educated nihilists but the rioters in the French suburbs were not middleclass, educated or nihilists, they were enclaves of a poor underclass who merely want to be on the inside of society and not on the outside. EDIT Not all the rioters were muslim, there were many christians and many whites too.

There is a significant majority of the 10% muslims that are well educated, have good jobs and believe in a secular France. I've lived there. My ex wife's cousin married a muslim in Paris and their children are not brought up in any faith and none of his family have a problem with that, it is just normal.

One of those Islamic fundementalists that are invading French society. Notice she is not wearing a scarf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL89VlQFypQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivCYa2QiP6U

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:41:59 PM   
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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:49:53 PM   
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Does each country in the E.U. have a different welfare or Dole system?


Yes.

Every citizen of the EU has the right to work in any other EU country (some new members are restricted for a few years) and if resident there has every right to the welfare and health system of that country. All EU citizens have a right to free emergency healthcare and there are other basics that citizens are entitled to. Some countries are more bureaucratic than others but all have reasonable systems. I've lived in five EU countries, Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and of course the UK. All have their positives and negatives.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:53:51 PM   
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Does each country in the E.U. have a different welfare or Dole system?


Yes.

Every citizen of the EU has the right to work in any other EU country (some new members are restricted for a few years) and if resident there has every right to the welfare and health system of that country. All EU citizens have a right to free emergency healthcare and there are other basics that citizens are entitled to. Some countries are more bureaucratic than others but all have reasonable systems. I've lived in five EU countries, Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and of course the UK. All have their positives and negatives.


Meat, good!
I have Irish citizenship.

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 5:58:35 PM   
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Outrage!

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RE: Violence in France again? - 5/4/2007 6:04:55 PM   
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Do you mean you're going to shamelessly take advantage of our kind, foolish european system :-) ?

Outrage!


Kittin, of course!
I'll become a socialist and be drawing a monthly check from every country in the E.U.!
It's ok, Meatcleaver's paying!
"I have to take off for a few days, I have two months worth of checks waiting for me in Germany and Holland."

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