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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/30/2005 6:16:29 PM   
DemonAngel


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Status: offline 		i dont believe you and d are different thoughts.I see that what your both saying comes down to the same thing.

You think one thing, she thinks it another.If you don't match, so what?End of the day, her thoughts are mine.People can look at her as a slave all they want doesn't make her one. I dont have to follow rules because i follow my own.Wanna call that anachy?Fine, coz it don't make it so.I don't follow a community, i just enjoy a bit of conversation now and then.I just don't think its right to try and press for an idea that isn't an exact science.

Its probably why I never post!
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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/30/2005 7:48:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonAngel
I just don't think its right to try and press for an idea that isn't an exact science.


That is my perspective as well Demon.

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ORIGINAL: DemonAngel
Its probably why I never post!
Demon


Well that's a shame! In any case, it was nice to briefly meet you on the boards. I've read a lot about you, all good of course ;)

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 12:04:43 AM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		Scooter, thank you SO much for posting this thread.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 4:34:09 AM   
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Yup - all these assumptions would be correct - but further communication would revela if I was allowed to play outside of marriage - whether the man I am married to is the father of the children - indeed, if I am even the mother - and your view on my art might be something you wouldn't consider art. Its the communication thats the key element - not the label itself. It aids.


What???? What does that have to do with anything????

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No double talk - the rest of what you said has nothing to do with the satement I made, so you have taken the words out of context.


What????

Are there any words in the English language that mean what a dictionary says they do?? Out of over 50 dictionaries on my bookshelves not one of them says "These definitions may or may not be accurate and are subject to change at the whim of anyone using them and are here solely to aid (or assist, you pick) in the correct spelling of each word." (Although I am waiting for that to come into question too)

~~rubs temples and reaches for migraine meds~~

Moving on.....

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If I get married, I can say I am a wife. If My neighbor down the street just stays with her boyfriend once in a while, I don't think she should be able to say she is a wife. She isn't by the standards set, and the understanding of what a wife is. Is it ok for her to say she is a wife? Yeah, it's really no skin off My nose. Should she run around and tell all her friends that being a wife just means that you have to go spend the night at your boyfriend's house once in a while? No, she shouldn't do that.


Excellent metaphor Dusty! And I agree, she shouldn't do that. And if she did I would see it as an insult to someone that lives it 24/7, that has made that commitment and can speak with some authority on what being married means.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 5:46:43 AM   
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Should these women really be able to say that they are the same thing and expect the rest of us to view them as such? Not in my book! Just the mere fact that slave 2 would have the audacity to attempt to identify herself in that manner is insulting to the postion of slave 1. I don't have an issue with what slave 2 chooses to do, only in that she also expects others to believe that the two are the same....they are not.

As long as they are doing as their owners are telling them, yes.

Let's face it, how many slaves would be fulfilled in such a situation? To not be the primary partner? To not have that daily contact? To only be a hole to fuck every few weeks? To be a warm body at beck and call for any particular need you have at the time? While I wouldn't call it "going into slave mode" since I pretty much am like a "24/7 on call" slave (heck I've even had full scenes interrupted and stopped because the Owner called me on the phone in the middle of it and wanted to talk about running errands) I'm not going to presume that anyone's type of service is greater than another's or that any owners preferences in their slaves is greater than anothers.

In a lot of ways I am blessed- while I am not allowed to live with the Owner, I do have boyfriends, I have dates, I go to parties, I get to choose my own wardrobe, I get to make financial decisions on my own. I am allowed so many privileges and responsibilities that it sometimes overwhelms even myself with my blessings.

But yet I am NOT allowed to live with the Owner, I am NOT allowed to call him at my will, I am NOT allowed to come and visit at will, I am NOT allowed to go to certain events with him, and I will NEVER be his primary partner, I will NEVER be the one who gets the glory of keeping his home for him, I will never be the other name on his answering machine. While his primary and I get along well, it is their home, not mine. You have no idea how much sometimes I WISH the Owner would allow me those responsibilities, those securities, those daily boring everyday work things. But that is not my place.

Like most things in life, it's all based on your perspective. Trust me, it's not always easy being a slave with a lot of privileges.

But, go ahead with your stereotypical ideas of what a slave does and what a slave is. To me, as long as the slave is fulfilling what the Owner requires of the slave, as long as the Owner has the ultimate authority, it works for me.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 6:13:20 AM   
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But, go ahead with your stereotypical ideas of what a slave does and what a slave is. To me, as long as the slave is fulfilling what the Owner requires of the slave, as long as the Owner has the ultimate authority, it works for me.


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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 6:55:46 AM   
DemonAngel


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Status: offline 		Hello there Angelika.Beautiful name by the way.Pleasure to meet and read you too.d always informs me of the posts, especially the ones shes learning from and yours always come up and its good to see shes getting positive leaning from your words.i have some time off so have time to post a couple of bits.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 9:51:55 AM   
SenorX


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Status: offline 		Regardless of what some say, I feel that this is an excellent thread and threads as yours herein, ScooterTrash, and those I have placed herein, are necessary to help those who are just starting to be oriented into D/s and BDSM in order to allow them to see that there are some de facto standards that have been established and acceptable, and we need to preserve those traditional definitions that have been established long before ANY of us were even a twinkle in someone's eye.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 10:01:11 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Then you don't understand the purpose of a dictionary. As I've said before, they don't determine usage; they merely report it. If dictionaries determined usage and language never changed, then we'd all still be speaking the language of Shakespeare--oh no, we'd all still be speaking Old English--oh no, we'd all still be speaking proto-Germanic.

Language is determined by the people who use it. Dictionaries can help you by giving you an idea of how other people who read and write have used and understood words. But if you don't like what a dictionary says, it's not like there's some Red Brigade that's going to take you out back and shoot you.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Are there any words in the English language that mean what a dictionary says they do?? Out of over 50 dictionaries on my bookshelves not one of them says "These definitions may or may not be accurate and are subject to change at the whim of anyone using them and are here solely to aid (or assist, you pick) in the correct spelling of each word."


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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 2:51:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonAngel

Hello there Angelika.Beautiful name by the way.Pleasure to meet and read you too.d always informs me of the posts, especially the ones shes learning from and yours always come up and its good to see shes getting positive leaning from your words.i have some time off so have time to post a couple of bits.

Demon


Trust me, the admiration is mutual and I'm glad that you are spending some time around these boards. My warmest welcome to you.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 6:45:23 PM   
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Like most things in life, it's all based on your perspective. Trust me, it's not always easy being a slave with a lot of privileges.


I think what scares me most is that I almost understand this...
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Then you don't understand the purpose of a dictionary. As I've said before, they don't determine usage; they merely report it. If dictionaries determined usage and language never changed, then we'd all still be speaking the language of Shakespeare--oh no, we'd all still be speaking Old English--oh no, we'd all still be speaking proto-Germanic.

Language is determined by the people who use it. Dictionaries can help you by giving you an idea of how other people who read and write have used and understood words. But if you don't like what a dictionary says, it's not like there's some Red Brigade that's going to take you out back and shoot you.


This on the other hand completely escapes me... Are you going to tell me in all seriousness that the words accumulated in the countless dictionaries through out time have not merely evolved, but that have radically altered???? And what a dictionary states the definition of "brigade" is (Military unit composed of 2 - 4 battalions or regiments or batteries & forming part of a division.) could mean hundreds of millionaires throwing money at me instead??? That I have been missing out on the slow and mindless slaughter of the english language for all these years because I was so gullible as to believe what those devilish and deceitful DICTIONAIRIES had to say?? I am completely taken aback, I have to relearn the language that I grew up with!! We need to have massive dictionary burnings all over the country! Someone should petition to have those evil books removed from schools before more people are taken in by them!!!

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Dictionaries can help you by giving you an idea of how other people who read and write have used and understood words.


PRECISELY!!!! If I say the word DOMINANT then most civilized individuals in the lifestyle would not take it to mean submissive! There are pre-established meanings to the terms used in wiitwd with the intention of giving each person an idea of how other people who read and write have used and understood them.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 7:15:29 PM   
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Then you don't understand the purpose of a dictionary. As I've said before, they don't determine usage; they merely report it.
I was going to say something but got to laughing too hard..or was that laughing? Hmm, maybe not, maybe I should look it up..OMG, there is no place to look up the meaning of laughing any more...I'll wait for the film at 11:00, surely they will report it, but no...it might be rumors and propaganda.

Main Entry: dic·tio·nary
Pronunciation: 'dik-sh&-"ner-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nar·ies
Etymology: Medieval Latin dictionarium, from Late Latin diction-, dictio word, from Latin, speaking
1 : a reference book containing words usually alphabetically arranged along with information about their forms, pronunciations, functions, etymologies, meanings, and syntactical and idiomatic uses
2 : a reference book listing alphabetically terms or names important to a particular subject or activity along with discussion of their meanings and applications
3 : a reference book giving for words of one language equivalents in another
4 : a list (as of items of data or words) stored in a computer for reference (as for information retrieval or word processing)

Main Entry: 1ref·er·ence
Pronunciation: 're-f&rn(t)s, 're-f(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 : the act of referring or consulting
2 : a bearing on a matter : RELATION <in reference to your recent letter>
3 : something that refers : as a : ALLUSION, MENTION b : something (as a sign or indication) that refers a reader or consulter to another source of information (as a book or passage) c : consultation of sources of information
4 : one referred to or consulted: as a : a person to whom inquiries as to character or ability can be made b : a statement of the qualifications of a person seeking employment or appointment given by someone familiar with the person c (1) : a source of information (as a book or passage) to which a reader or consulter is referred (2) : a work (as a dictionary or encyclopedia) containing useful facts or information d : DENOTATION, MEANING

OK, I looked these up in a "dictionary" and this was the "report". It says they have the f**king meanings in them...BUT NO, WE CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON THAT? Gezzz....how damned childish can this get? What's worse..the majority of what we are talking about has nothing to do with a dictionary's "report" anyway. (goes off to see if there's something slightly more intellectually stimulating to read)

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 7:27:47 PM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		Emerald,
The post that you are responding to here was not aimed at you but I am glad that you have replied. You are one of the people on these boards that I understand the least and I don't think that has been any secret. We do come from entirely different perspectives but I would hope that that fact would not impede being able to at least understand each other a little better. In reading your response I have a bit of a different take on you and your situation than I have previously.

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Let's face it, how many slaves would be fulfilled in such a situation? To not be the primary partner? To not have that daily contact? To only be a hole to fuck every few weeks? To be a warm body at beck and call for any particular need you have at the time?

Actually, in real time, not a single one that I know or have ever known. Personally, it would make me feel a lot like yesterday's trash. Just the mere fact that you recognize that most would not be fulfilled as you do tells me that you can identify with the feeling of unfulfillment as a result of such a situation.

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While I wouldn't call it "going into slave mode" since I pretty much am like a "24/7 on call" slave

This I agree with. You have not said you are a full blown slave, a 24/7 slave, or even just a slave. You have said that you are an "on call slave". I think that is a very important distinguisher. It explains to me very well how you identify. It also tells me that you too can see the differences.

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heck I've even had full scenes interrupted and stopped because the Owner called me on the phone in the middle of it and wanted to talk about running errands

I understand completely how frustrating that can be. Now please try to imagine for a moment that those types of interruptions as a 24/7 live in slave could be a part of your everyday reality...maybe 20 or 30 times a day. Your hands are full of chicken goop because you are right in the middle of preparing dinner....but that is the exact moment he wishes for you to rub his back. You are three entries from being done balancing the checkbook....but that is the exact moment he would like some chocolate cream pie. Your body just this very second got submerged into the warm water of the bath you have been looking forward to all day....but that is the exact moment that he needs you to run up to the store. You are right in the middle of cleaning the oven....but that is the exact moment he needs you to come hold the flashlight. Your ass has just hit the cushion on the couch for the first time in 12 hours.....and that is the exact moment he needs a cold drink. Endless, countless interruptions. To smile through them all takes astronomical levels of devotion.

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In a lot of ways I am blessed- while I am not allowed to live with the Owner, I do have boyfriends, I have dates, I go to parties, I get to choose my own wardrobe, I get to make financial decisions on my own. I am allowed so many privileges and responsibilities that it sometimes overwhelms even myself with my blessings.

I don't see that as a blessing. If I were in a relationship of that type the message I would get is that he simply didn't care enough to care.

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But yet I am NOT allowed to live with the Owner, I am NOT allowed to call him at my will, I am NOT allowed to come and visit at will, I am NOT allowed to go to certain events with him, and I will NEVER be his primary partner, I will NEVER be the one who gets the glory of keeping his home for him, I will never be the other name on his answering machine. While his primary and I get along well, it is their home, not mine.

Once again, the message I would get from those things would be that he simply did not feel I was of enough value to him to allow me close enough to enter into his inner circle.

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You have no idea how much sometimes I WISH the Owner would allow me those responsibilities, those securities, those daily boring everyday work things.

This sentence speaks volumes to me about your personal level of fulfillment.

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Like most things in life, it's all based on your perspective. Trust me, it's not always easy being a slave with a lot of privileges.

I am sure that it is not an easy road to hoe, based upon what you have shared with me here. However, it is really not something I can fully understand because I have never been a slave with lots of privileges, at least not the type of privileges you have. On the flip side though, just as I am trying to understand your reality, please also try to understand the reality of others who are out there doing this every single second of every single day, through all of the good times, the bad times, the interruptions, the sweet tender moments, and all of the moments when their Master is just plain being an asshole. Can you not see that the road they are on might be just a bit more demanding of them?

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But, go ahead with your stereotypical ideas of what a slave does and what a slave is.

I don't see my views as stereotypical. I do see them as traditional. I don't think I am in a minority in them. I also don't have and keep them with the purpose of disrespecting you or anyone else...they are simply mine.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 7:51:24 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Actually, in real time, not a single one that I know or have ever known. Personally, it would make me feel a lot like yesterday's trash. Just the mere fact that you recognize that most would not be fulfilled as you do tells me that you can identify with the feeling of unfulfillment as a result of such a situation.

For most yes, I know a handful of other slaves who would/are fulfilled in this similar situation.

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While I wouldn't call it "going into slave mode" since I pretty much am like a "24/7 on call" slave
This I agree with. You have not said you are a full blown slave, a 24/7 slave, or even just a slave. You have said that you are an "on call slave". I think that is a very important distinguisher. It explains to me very well how you identify. It also tells me that you too can see the differences.

Well I do consider myself "a slave" and I do say so in my profile on here, on yahoo, on aol, etc. I'm just not a live-in slave.

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Now please try to imagine for a moment that those types of interruptions as a 24/7 live in slave could be a part of your everyday reality...maybe 20 or 30 times a day.

Absolutely, I lived with my former owners, a married couple, as their slave for a year. I know exactly how that is different from my current situation. When there's 2 owners, 5 cats, 7 ferrets and dinner to take care of, it's lots of fun. :)
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To smile through them all takes astronomical levels of devotion.

I would say knowing that someone else is doing them and what your place is and what it is not takes the same.

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I don't see that as a blessing. If I were in a relationship of that type the message I would get is that he simply didn't care enough to care.

Goodness, doesn't care? He lets me love others because he doesn't care? He lets me grow as an adult because he doesn't care? He allows me to live independently, to dress gorgeously, to type bountifully, respects my maturity enough to live within his guidelines...because he doesn't care enough to give me so much happiness?

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Once again, the message I would get from those things would be that he simply did not feel I was of enough value to him to allow me close enough to enter into his inner circle.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to convey that I am not in his "inner circle." I very much am. I'm simply not his primary.

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This sentence speaks volumes to me about your personal level of fulfillment.

As long as you understand that my personal level of fulfillment is "more than I ever imagined possible and increasing all the time" then we're clear.

We've all got bad days, days we're not happy with what we have, days we are conflicted. I'm honest enough to admit to that and to understand the long term fulfillment that I have far outweighs that.


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On the flip side though, just as I am trying to understand your reality, please also try to understand the reality of others who are out there doing this every single second of every single day, through all of the good times, the bad times, the interruptions, the sweet tender moments, and all of the moments when their Master is just plain being an asshole.

Just because I do not live with the Owner doesn't mean I don't experience each of those things- I do.

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Can you not see that the road they are on might be just a bit more demanding of them?

Why do you say more demanding? After all we both agree that very few slaves would be fulfilled in my sort of situation. How can we determine which is "more" demanding? My situation is unique, in the end so is every slaves. I wouldn't be so arrogant to tell a slave that my lot is harder than theirs. We're all just as open to being given or sold as the other.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 5/31/2005 8:53:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a little tiresome, because once again the people who are trumpeting the authority of dictionaries don't know the principles by which dictionaries are put together. We've already gone over this on the "TPE" thread. It's not "childish," Scooter; it's how dictionaries are compiled. It's called LEXICOGRAPHY. Look that one up too.

Oh, and Jewel, I listed several words on the other thread that don't mean anything close to their original meanings. Look up the etymologies of words like "dangerous," "doctor," "scholar," "embarrassed"--and then ask yourself again whether usage doesn't vary drastically from one era to another. How do YOU explain the fact that we don't speak Proto-Germanic anymore?

Lam

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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

OK, I looked these up in a "dictionary" and this was the "report". It says they have the f**king meanings in them...BUT NO, WE CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON THAT? Gezzz....how damned childish can this get? What's worse..the majority of what we are talking about has nothing to do with a dictionary's "report" anyway. (goes off to see if there's something slightly more intellectually stimulating to read)



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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 7/2/2005 8:09:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, i cannot agree with Lam more. i spent my whole career working with words and there were times a single phrase or word was dispostive of a matter. in layman's terms, i succeeded in arguing black was white.

As i read scooter's post "defining" the various types of submissives, etc, i found myself annoyed. i'm a real person, with real emotions and experiences, and with good fortune, i will form a bond with a Dom who is also a real person. i already know from my Dom friends, real Doms fall everywhere across a continum..and from submissives and slaves, i have been given a similiar impression. The truth of the matter is, people just do not behave in a manner that lends itself to catagorization.

As for the hysterical concern over a potential harm to a "newbie" reading one person's definition and not seeing a second definition; pardon me, but what bulls**t. i started a thread on acting responsibly when dealing with serious matters, such as potential legal problems, and the response was non-concern for the most part. Most people felt that disclosing they were amateurs and their post was simply their opinion was sooooooooo onerous a burden that they could not be bothered.

So i'm to believe that the community is in hysterics over the possibilty that a newbie might get a definition wrong, but could care less whether someone relied on bad information in making a serious decision.

Sings "One of these things doesn't belong; one of these things is not like the other."

Once again, tip of the hat to Lam.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 7/2/2005 8:38:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

As usual, there's a false set of alternatives here: either words mean something eternal, immutable, and universally understandable--or else words mean nothing at all and no communication is possible.

It should be pretty obvious that the real world exists somewhere between those asinine extremes.

As someone who has actually worked on compiling a dictionary, I find it strange how everyone misunderstands what lexicography is all about. Dictionaries don't DETERMINE usage; they REPORT it.

Lam


I don't disagree, but how can it be reported if it hasn't already been determined that this is the widely accepted (and acceptable in many cases) usage? The purpose of a dictionary, IMO, is to see proper spelling and pronunciation and a definition or definitions, depending on context, of the use of the word.
Eventually defnitions can expand with consistent and accepted usage. Hence:
This site is really "cool".
She is one "hot" babe.
But the original definition of cool is still cool. And the original definition of hot is still hot.



if i called a boy "queer", i'd be committing a horrible social blunder ...now.
but back in the 60's if i called a boy "queer" the meanng was..damn is he strange.

agrees with LnM totally....its lexicon vs dictionary.

when i was in Zimbabwe, a term used alot by americans was "bored"..... the useage there was not the same as ours and it got ALOT of white folk in big trouble.

oh well...the debate will never end.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 7/2/2005 11:29:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		First, nobody in the SF kink scene refers to BDSM as "the lifestyle". That refers to "swinging", in the classic suburban NASCA sense.

"Top" and "Bottom" are common terms. "Slave" seems to be associated more with the pro domina business. "Pain slut" is a term heard once in a while, and it's not insulting.

I don't know enough about terminology on the gay side; someone else will have to address that.

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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 7/2/2005 11:32:57 AM   
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RE: Lifestyle words, terms, phrases & acronyms - 7/2/2005 2:44:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since this thread has been resurrected, I'm posting a link to an interesting book about how dictionaries are compiled:

http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=052178512X

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