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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 7:54:46 PM   
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For the OP - be as common as you like.



Yeah some Bottoms would rather she be as common as possible so they can be the Princesses in the relationship. LMAO


LMAO too... I wouldn't call someone a bottom so easily. That was a pretty judgemental way of putting things. Because some do things differently doesn't mean they are less, only tops or bottoms or princess types.


Say what? Is there something wrong with being a Bottom in general? Bottom or not, your friend there with the displayed back seems to preach alot about dominant women but really I wonder about how much experience he does have under his belt in r/l to speak on the issue? We'll probably never know for sure.





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There is nothing wrong with being a bottom. There is however something wrong in deciding who is what and managing to sound insulting at the same time.. just as your last post does.  Gee... go figure...

And... my friend with the fabulous back... doesn't need me defending him, which I wasn't doing. I was commenting on your words.




Heh, here's a likely answer. if you don't mind, I can decide who is what based on what they write if I'm so inclined, ty. It's just an observation. You make them yourself all the time too. And yeah I called him a princess but you laughed. You got your panties in a bunch I called him a bottom. See to me I see a bottom based on what the man with the displayed back posts here on these forums. (And a fabulous back to you, to me it's lame and too showy and too "look at me people,yeah" corny, arrogant like"). Now Bottoms are all good but FTR, I never described a bottom in any sort of negative light. In fact it was you that said calling your friend a bottom was being judgmental. Say what? So what I think he's a bottom, why is that being judgmental? Why do you care so strongly to make sure he isn't called a bottom by anyone here? Whats wrong with bottoms? Why is that being judgmental? The word bottom does not imply anything negative so why did that come to your mind? It sure didn't come from me.


I'm sorry to have offended your sense of aesthetics with my avatar pic, BoJenga, and am painfully resigned never to receive an amorous cmail from you.

I don't really care about whether a 'bottom' is a good or bad thing to be.  However, just as a matter of interest, could you explain to me firstly, why you thought I was a "bottom", secondly, why you believed me to be a 'princess'?  This time, if you don't mind, quoting the entire relevant section(s) from my posts? 

You see, I have a strong suspicion that you got completely the wrong end of the stick. This suspicion was strengthened when you made the choice not to answer my reply to you, and a second time when you decided to take issue, instead, with Lockit criticising you for being judgmental about me.  As LadyConstanze has said in a different context, miscommunication is at the root of many problems.  You and I have very different styles of writing, and I'm wondering if the difficulty might be in miscommunication here, too. 

I should mention, also, that I'm more than confident that Lockit feels no need whatsoever to defend me against you and your friend. 

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 8:18:19 PM   
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When a woman hit upon my favourite kink recently without being told, it was like I was suddenly switched into fifth gear.  But I've heard that femdoms do often want such a list of 'hot buttons' in advance, regardless.  Perhaps this is simply because it gives them more of a sense of power and control. 

I'm beginning to think that this could very much cut both ways, depending on the femdom, in short . . .


It definitely depends on the femdom.

I'm pretty disturbed by some of the stuff I've read in this thread. According to some here, the only way for a woman to be confidently dominant is to forego negotiation with her partner and disregard his kinky interests and desires. I guess that this may work for some doms and subs, but it's not The One True Way. There is no One True Way - that's one of the fundamental truths of kink. We've all got differing interests and goals, and we seek partners who share our vision.

Frankly, I'm pretty appalled at the narrow-minded attitude of many posters to this thread. I'm really pretty disgusted that femdommery is defined by so many as a selfish attitude toward kinky play. Is domliness all about what you do to him? Isn't a good part of it about what he does for you? Does "what he does for you" have to be all about sex/play? It's fine and dandy that some femdoms are only interested in femdomly topping in the context of a scene, but I think it's a big mistake to assume that play-oriented stuff is what femdomliness is all about.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 9:15:15 PM   
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Thanks, MmeGigs for returning us to Earth.

Hardly anyone has even thought to consider that the nature of the relationship between the two people in question might not be D/s. The OP said "I've been asked by a friend to be his femdom". Almost all the posts are automatically assuming that ithe only successful outcome is "true femdom" and "true sub". Hell, we don't know what "femdom" means to her, or to him. They might be interested in D/s, S&M, B&D, top/bottom, or some other variation. Of course it's important that she doesn't feel pressure to do things she doesn't enjoy, but they both seem so inexperienced, it hardly matters who comes up with the ideas for experimenting.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 9:21:12 PM   
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the idea that a sub should present his ideas/hot buttons or ANYTHING like that to a new femdom, rather than let her *uncover them* is the problem.  Why the rush?

Who said anything at all about a sub shoving his ideas in front of her instead of letting her uncovering them? It sure as hell wasn't me, and I don't recall anyone saying any such thing.

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Why the paranoia that his needs won't be met?

?????! If there's any paranoia here, it's been yours. This thread has had absolutely no hint of fear about the sub's needs not being met. It's been about how she can influence a sub to get what she wants from him, and have a good experience for herself.

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If a woman just has a list, that means her presence is secondary. It's a list ANY woman can fulfill.

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if by the third, fourth, tenth time she is dominating him and having a BLAST doing it he realizes she's totally missing on his hot buttons, he realizes she's totally missing on his hot buttons, I have a couple of predictions. One is that I bet he forgot them himself, because seeing her get off and enjoy herself is better than any hot buttons he had in the past."

This confirms that you still don't get what a hot button is. I have hot buttons, some that I'm aware of, probably some that I'm not. Very few women can push ANY of them. To state that knowing about a hot button means that anyone can push it is completely, blatantly false. She won't be dominating him the third, fourth, tenth time if she hasn't pushed at least one hot button, because she won't even have gotten to the second time, probably not even the first. That's by definition, not opinion. If seeing her get off and enjoy herself motivates him, then it's a hot button. Period.

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To me this all seems very simple, and I don't understand the resistance from some men to just let it go, let her try at her own pace, and realize that the payoff is having a woman who feels comfortable, confident and excited about her dominance.

It is simple, except that you keep twisting the debate by arguing against something that nobody has said. There is no resistance to letting her try at her own pace. I've seen no disagreement about that, yet you keep harping on it, and it has made this debate very frustrating.

It all comes down to this:
1. She should focus on her desires.
2. She needs to influence him to get what she wants from him.
3. By definition, to motivate a person to act, you must push a hot button.
4. You figure out the rest.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 9:48:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

It all comes down to this:
1. She should focus on her desires.
2. She needs to influence him to get what she wants from him.
3. By definition, to motivate a person to act, you must push a hot button.
4. You figure out the rest.


If a man desires to submit to a dominant woman (as a sub, not a bottom), one can assume the most intense, most important and biggest "hot button" is submission - ie, submitting to her desires.  Time and time again when asked what submissives want between these two options:

1. A femdom who truly enjoys her dominance and does it with lust, excitement and passion and maybe touches upon not all but SOME of your special kinks
vs.
2. A femdom who is not that erotically charged or enjoying domination, but meets ALL of your kinky fantasies because she wants to please you and is doing it for you...

...I can tell you without a doubt most submissive men want #1.  Many already have had #2, and come back with, "my girlfriend dominates me and it's obvious she isn't really into it and she is just doing it for me..."

The number one "hot button" for male submission can and should be, "The enjoyment and excitement, the erotic thrill and rush that comes from seeing my femdom partner enjoy and be aroused by my submission" -- with the other fetishes falling in line behind.  If you want to reverse the order, that's fine, but know that your kinky girlfriend might be just doing it for you. Up to you, guys. They also have a label for it, it's called "bottom," - you give her a list, she matches up to her kinks, you both play with the things you enjoy and everyone is happy.

However, if a man wants a woman to explore *female dominance* he can't have his cake and eat it to, and expect she is going to keep him "motivated" by appealing to his hot buttons. If his #1 "hot button" isn't the idea that he's the toy of her pleasure and amusement and getting her hot and wet with his submission *on her terms* then he's just mislabeling himself.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 9:58:57 PM   
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Well... we have covered two types of dominant's... one that wants to be dominant a certain way and another who doesn't want to really be there doin that.  Do we have any other types of dominant's who can function well in pleasing self and making it all go well without the one manner of dominant conduct? And... are all submissive men in a box too?


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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/23/2009 10:06:02 PM   
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Finally! That's what I was saying all along.

That description works for me specifically, but I agree with MmeGigs on the "One True Way", and wouldn't apply the "shoulds" to everyone. I understand what Akasha's saying, that she's not saying everyone has to follow those rules, but that a "submissive" in a femdom relationship means something very specific to her. However, until somebody comes up with some better universally-accepted terminology to label all the different variations within D/s, as well as other segments of BDSM, I don't think it's fair to say that there's only One True Way, only one acceptable definition for submissive.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 4:43:33 AM   
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No offense in return, but threads do evolve as they go, and so long as they don't blow too far off course, I don't see why conversation can't continue positively. My concern is to underscore an irresponsible misinterpretation of an answer to the original post. Be that as it may, I think the subject of topping is in fact relevant, since the OP mentioned it was asked of her by a friend to be a "Femdom".


I really don't see the need for labels, does it matter if she is topping or dominating as long as both get enjoyment out of it? I don't think so, what counts is what people get out of it.

Technically if I play with somebody and our kinks mesh, for example he's a masochist, then I might just be topping him, for some it would not be "real domination", that's fine, but my answer would be "Who really cares?" Because he likes it, I like it, we're both happy, much more important than if we'd do protocol and whatnot and we're both not interested in that and we're both not enjoying it. In case it all comes down to definitions and not what BOTH sides want out of it, it's shadow play, I rather give that a miss.
The whole thing is, that it's 2 people are involved, how they define their play doesn't matter as long as they are happy with what takes place. In case there is a significant imbalance, one side will get frustrated and most likely it will kill the whole relationship, if it's balanced they are both happy, labels and definitions don't matter.

The whole idea about the selfless sub who wants to just please the dominant only works if that is in fact the kink of the submissive, or what triggers him or her and makes her happy, so the submissive is also getting fulfillment, wouldn't that then also be topping and not "just dominance"?

I really prefer the pragmatic approach over the whole labels and definitions, people should do what makes them happy, to avoid problems talk about what you expect, what you get out of it or want to get out of it. In case it works for both sides, go for it, in case your expectations are too different, chances are that it doesn't work.


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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 7:00:24 AM   
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This has turned out to be a very interesting, for the most part, and informative thread.

Op, I have nothing to offer in regards to advice because, quite honestly, it would pale in comparison to what is already provided.  I would like to ask that you come back, once the "experiment" is underway, and let us know how its going.  I'm always curious to hear if any advice offered is really put to use.

I'd just like to add...AAkasha, thanks for that first post. For a switch who is leaning more and more towards domme, I found it to be very helpful.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 8:39:29 AM   
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The whole idea about the selfless sub who wants to just please the dominant only works if that is in fact the kink of the submissive, or what triggers him or her and makes her happy, so the submissive is also getting fulfillment, wouldn't that then also be topping and not "just dominance"?
 
I thought that the way you define 'selfless sub' defined subs as a whole, not just subs with one particular kink.  That's interesting.  It indicates quite an embracing idea of what defines 'a sub'.

Further to the idea that 'knowing a sub's hot buttons' could cut both ways regarding a  new dominant's feeling of control - another headache to add.    I've come to suspect that there are what you might call 'introspective' and 'other-centred' dominants.  (I'll avoid 'selfish' re the former.  It's an emotionally-loaded term and to my mind just gets in the way.)  Introverted dominants focus on their own feelings and want to 'mould' the sub in order to enhance their, the dominants', own feelings.  I'd expect them to be more 'inside themselves' during scenes - they're exploring their own feelings, primarily. 

Extroverted dominants focus more on the effect that they're having on their subs.  They'll want to explore the reactions of subs to whatever they, the dominants, are doing.  Dominants like this are less directly focused on their own, internal feelings.  These types, I could imagine, would be more interested in knowing the 'hot buttons' of their subs because they'll want to play with said buttons - and find ways of pushing them harder.

Two poles, with degrees in between, rather than two distinct 'boxes' and yet more annoying 'labels'.  Assuming that they make sense, though, then I don't see that an 'introverted' dominant is necessarily more in control than an 'extroverted' one, or vice versa.   

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 9:31:43 AM   
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The whole idea about the selfless sub who wants to just please the dominant only works if that is in fact the kink of the submissive, or what triggers him or her and makes her happy, so the submissive is also getting fulfillment, wouldn't that then also be topping and not "just dominance"?
 
I thought that the way you define 'selfless sub' defined subs as a whole, not just subs with one particular kink.  That's interesting.  It indicates quite an embracing idea of what defines 'a sub'.

Further to the idea that 'knowing a sub's hot buttons' could cut both ways regarding a  new dominant's feeling of control - another headache to add.    I've come to suspect that there are what you might call 'introspective' and 'other-centred' dominants.  (I'll avoid 'selfish' re the former.  It's an emotionally-loaded term and to my mind just gets in the way.)  Introverted dominants focus on their own feelings and want to 'mould' the sub in order to enhance their, the dominants', own feelings.  I'd expect them to be more 'inside themselves' during scenes - they're exploring their own feelings, primarily. 

Extroverted dominants focus more on the effect that they're having on their subs.  They'll want to explore the reactions of subs to whatever they, the dominants, are doing.  Dominants like this are less directly focused on their own, internal feelings.  These types, I could imagine, would be more interested in knowing the 'hot buttons' of their subs because they'll want to play with said buttons - and find ways of pushing them harder.

Two poles, with degrees in between, rather than two distinct 'boxes' and yet more annoying 'labels'.  Assuming that they make sense, though, then I don't see that an 'introverted' dominant is necessarily more in control than an 'extroverted' one, or vice versa.   


It's not that complicated.  In my experience, most women are more emotional, more connected to their partner, and more interested in his *reactions* than how the acts make her feel.  I don't think I have ever come across a new vanilla kinky-experimenter who is not of that mindset. Also add into the equation that most women who are IN relationships with a man who confessed to be submissive, and who are trying to reach out and figure out "how to become dominant", are at their core very compassionate, giving women who obviously love their man and want to make it work.  Otherwise, they would just say "screw you, we aren't doing that kinky stuff," and wouldn't be looking into it.

I also think it's a sad day when selfish subs are defended for thinking they are in their right to expect a woman to explore dominance in a manner that fits his criteria, rather than giving her a shot (often, it's only one shot, it just takes one bad experience to turn off a vanilla) at learning to enjoy it on her own.  If she is willing to go into an area that makes her uneasy, to TRY something she's not sure about, because she wants to make their sex life work, then he should give her the respect of letting her learn at her own pace and take his expectations off the table.  It's mind boggling to me that I have to even say that when we are talking about the man *wanting to have a submissive relationship (in the bedroom/in the relationship/pick your flavor).*  The point of submission is to perhaps embrace the idea of putting her lusts, desires and needs above yours (the sub) at least for some predetermined time. Yet, so many subs fight tooth and nail to hold onto their right to have their buttons pushed (if that's how you want to put it), their needs met, their fantasies satisfied before she can even get a comfort level enough to know what *dominance feels like*. Is it ironic that "vanilla men" are less demanding and pushy about it?

I knew what dominance felt like before I ever met a submissive man.  It was intoxicating.  I claim that *any woman* would find that kind of control hot, thrilling, erotic and exciting, and I have helped many vanilla girlfriends explore it, women who had no interest in S&M before. They loved it.  But the women who have pushy, needy boyfriends with agendas end up resenting it, finding it a chore, or seeing it is a caricature of bad kinky sex, and an escapade they want nothing to do with.  All I am saying is that if a woman is going to have a shot at enjoying female dominance, she should start with the opportunity to enjoy it without distractions, perceptions or agendas, no matter how big or small.

When a woman is in a relationship and trying hard to "be the best" for her man, to satisfy him, to explore an area she admittedly is not driven to on her own, the last thing she needs is the distraction of his needs and expectations.  She's already going out of her comfort zone for him; the least he can do is letter he see what it feels like before unloading any of his ideals, big or small.  Let her find out the hot buttons on her own.

For those that bristle and think I am preaching a "one true way," get over it. I am preaching what I have seen to work, and I have seen a lot of couples succeed and many more fail when the sub "tries to help" by spelling things out.  Sometimes it does work, until the guy comes back to me and says, "Well she's doing kink but it's only when I initiate it and I can tell she's just doing it for me."  There are many, many ways to do kinky sexy.  I am pointing out that it's backwards to think the best way to help a vanilla woman learn about female dominance is to have her start by fulfilling her man's needs while pretending to be dominant, and then hoping the dominant lust just magically develops as a side effect. It won't, no matter how "submissive" the sub acts. She's still just doing it as fast as she can to get it over with.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 9:48:55 AM   
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XY, I think that your suggestions to the OP here have been generally sound.  I wasn't implying that you were suggesting that a new femdom be a 'fake'.  The bit you wrote that concerned me was:   "All the while, don't ever forget to retain your air of class and sophistication. We males are moved by Women who can inspire and mentor us." 

Class, sophistication - being a woman with a capital "W" - like I said, that could be inspiring to some new femdoms - but oppressive to others.  To add to that, many subs don't require inspiration and mentoring by their dommes either.  And again, a new femdom could think "Oh hell, I don't know if I'm up to inspiring and mentoring a sub".



And as I said, everyone will draw something different from the advice, and they can (and will) take or leave it as they see fit. I know from my own experience in life that attracting, honing and maintaining someone's submission becomes an eventual study in a lasting D/s relationship. Inversely, one can easily say earning a Woman's dominance (please bear the capitalization) is in no way a continuous cake walk. These may seem like intimidating ideas for the "common" way of thinking, and why shouldn't they be? I would wager that those who have any degree of experience in actually serving or keeping slaves / submissives for more than a few months will agree it takes authenticity, effort, imagination and attention to detail to feed and enrich the dynamic. Include the nature of love into the cricle and the complexity arguably increases.

While it may seem moot to some to discuss things like focusing upon image and personal development in relation to a Mistress (or the image of a Mistress), my convictions—and experiences as a slave—say otherwise. YMMV, of course.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 10:14:47 AM   
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Akasha,

I know what you mean about subs 'fighting tooth and nail to have their buttons pushed'.   To me, these are 'do-me' subs and god knows we've seen an awful lot of them on the boards .  Likewise I've heard enough complaints about them from dominants - very often justified, as well. 

Yet I think HBS is right when he says that, so far, none of us has been proposing that the OP pander to such a sub.  The 'hot buttons' issue isn't about decreasing her control - at least, not generally in this thread, anyway. 

I've no doubt that you speak from a lot of experience - and that very evidently well-considered experience, too.  Yet, I've read of, or spoken to, other dominants who seem equally experienced, intelligent and reflective, but whose focus seems much more on 'experimenting on their sub'.  

I don't see that either kind can do without their firm sense of control over the sub, though.  It can't work otherwise.  Me, I have an abiding fear that a dominant's sense of control will just go 'pop' and this leads me to be very cagey about revealing my own 'hot buttons', for exactly the sorts of reasons you and others have given.  Some dominants, though, have brushed that fear aside with an opinion that goes something like, "She'll want to know what'll make you the most entertaining for her."   (And I've even had the odd hint that I'm being a bit sexist for assuming that her sense of dominance might be so delicate and feminine-fragile!)

I have a nagging suspicion, though, that when dominants say things like that last, they're forgetting what they were like when they first set out on the D/s path.  Maybe the best practical solution for the OP and other 'new femdoms' is just a detailed talk with the sub about his 'limits'. 

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 10:17:45 AM   
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I really don't see the need for labels, does it matter if she is topping or dominating as long as both get enjoyment out of it? I don't think so, what counts is what people get out of it.


Not a bad thought, Lady C, though I'm not certain where you draw the conclusion I've expressed otherwise. That said, I feel that if one prefers the pragmatic approach, one will inevitably begin to look at the concepts and essences behind the words we use. I know I don't have a problem using labels, words or descriptions to communicate ideas.

As for saying topping and bottoming is synonymous with serving and dominating, with one tilt of the diamond I can see what you're saying abstractly, but then again, dominating and submitting isn't just about two parties being happy in an agreed upon dynamic. I'm afraid it goes a little deeper than that, but by all means, yes, "do what makes you happy", or "do what it is in your nature" is good advice.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 12:25:35 PM   
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I can only talk about what works in my life and the life of people who are my friends, I'm not talking the great abstract of agony aunt handing out advise to faceless people, or something I heard about, and in almost all cases of people I personally know, the woman felt first overwhelmed, didn't know where to start looking, had doubts (which is fairly normal and most of us dealt with it), wanted reassurance, feedback, a bit of open communication and not diving into it headfirst without knowing if it works. The whole labels confused them, what's more if they were open to experimenting with BDSM, their problem was that they found tons of books with "How to" the technical side of things, yet hardly anything where the feelings of the top or dominant were concerned. Most of the websites deal with the ultra heavy stuff, they felt overwhelmed, thought they are possibly doing something wrong, that they have to measure up to some super Domme and will not be able to.
I'm doing stuff now I wouldn't have thought I would ever like would you have asked me 10 years ago, it's a growing into process and I was always drawn to it. To be honest, quite a bit of the stuff I found almost turned me off, where I went "That's not for me" and at that time it wasn't.

Letting a woman fumble around herself in the hope she will grow into it, in most cases I've seen, it doesn't work. Only you hardly ever hear about it, because they turn their back to kink and they aren't on websites like CM to talk about their experiences, because they left BDSM behind, despite the fact that a lot of them were intrigued. A growing dominant needs to be nourished, she needs feedback and emotional support, she does need the excitement of seeing how things work and she needs to build her own confidence in most cases, because only a nutcase would think "I can do that" and start with risky activities.

Somebody who's used to bland food but always wanted to try something a bit spicier will not go and order a Vindaloo, they're going to work their way up, get used to it, it's not different when it comes to BDSM.

Had not somebody told me what he likes and given me positive feedback, it would have taken me a lot longer to get comfortable with it, had he started with "Whatever you like" I would not have been sure where to start, the "That's an activity I really like" and me thinking "Oh that sounds good, I always wonder about it, yes, let's try it" was a good starting point, it made things easier for me.

In the past 5 years I met a lot of couples IRL who had problems, in one case the marriage was on the rocks because he thought she should do what she likes, she felt so overwhelmed and didn't know where to start, he thought she had no interest in it, things escalated, she only talked to me when she said they were getting a divorce and I was a bit stunned, I wasn't even aware that they were into BDSM, over a bottle of wine and a girlie talk, she spilled the beans, for her it looked like he burdened her with all the responsibility and just expected her to become a Domme overnight, when I asked him a few days later why and what, he said he didn't want to top from the bottom or push her, both thought the other had lost interest. It was a typical case of miscommunication and one taking the labels too seriously. When they started talking about expectations and interests, they had the classical DUH moment, not all their kinks mesh, but enough so that both get their needs met. They're not living 24/7, that's a bit hard to do with Ums around, but from what I see quite close to it, he started to do a considerable share of the household duties to give her time, they have playtimes set aside when their young ones are with the in-laws (they also signed them up for Saturday afternoon activities, to have them out of the house), they do a lot of seemingly innocent things but it's basically him serving her. Before that when he attempted to take over her duties, she thought it was a reproach because she didn't do them well enough. When it comes down to any interaction, be it vanilla or kink, it's down to communication, communication, and did I mention communication? People read signals different and it can cause a lot of trouble nobody really needs. And sorry, most men tend to be a bit ham fisted and aren't really great communicators, it is possible to share what works for you without topping from the bottom, but most men will just wade in and it will come off as "I expect you to do...", that doesn't work, but asking her what her fantasies are, or giving her some of yours, but always asking what she thinks about them, that's a different kettle of fish.
In case I'm playing casually with a new person, I also want to know what they like and what their limits are, it gives me a lot more control, those are things I can use.

I think somebody who starts out shouldn't worry about labels at all or be concerned if she's topping or dominating, once she enjoys it, she's going to branch out on her own and she then will find what does it for her and in which direction she wants to go.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 2:59:50 PM   
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Well, all that might work in practice, Lady C, but the question is, does it work in theory?

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 5:00:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I think somebody who starts out shouldn't worry about labels at all or be concerned if she's topping or dominating, once she enjoys it, she's going to branch out on her own and she then will find what does it for her and in which direction she wants to go.


I agree, with perhaps one caveat: they shouldn't worry about labels and fundamental concepts at all indeed, but understanding them can only help. I think part of the branching out process is refining an understanding in one's mind of what is really what and what isn't, weather your intent is play or actual servitude. A part of that process involves looking inward from the beginning and examining the visions that have set one upon the path in the first place.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 7:57:21 PM   
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For those that bristle and think I am preaching a "one true way," get over it.


You made some good points. It's a shame to ruin it by getting bent out of shape over people disagreeing with some of your comments. They've got nothing to "get over".

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/24/2009 8:50:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Well, all that might work in practice, Lady C, but the question is, does it work in theory?

;-)


ROFL, Peon you have really nailed the hit on the head. Or something like that.

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RE: Seeking advice for a new FemDom. - 7/25/2009 12:22:15 AM   
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I'm not that far into it, but after the OMFG real people actually do this! reaction, I viewed it like discovering a new cuisine. If I've never eaten Indian food, let alone been to this particular restaurant, I'd like it if someone with more familiarity enlightened me to the heat possibilities of vindaloo , but whether or not to order it is up to me. Me, I'd probably just scam a bite of someone else's to try before I do. But I can figure out for myself that I'm liable to like the garlic naan, and while I had to be encouraged to try the cauliflower, I now get it everytime I go because it is divine.

Sometimes the bottom suggesting something is no more problematic to me than a friend suggesting I try a new restaurant. Sometimes it's an issue.

I do want to know the Really Big Bends in advance. If he HAS to have cross-dressing involved, then it's not going to work. If he HAS to have high heels on me, that's not going to work either, with my foot the way it is. If I HAVE to have my male subs suck cock, then that's going to be unworkable for a certain amount of guys. If I HAVE to set my subs on fire, then it's going to be a problem for some of them, for various reasons. But once we get those must haves or must not haves out of the way, I always feel a little relaxed. I know already he has a thing for big breasts and smothering, I know he likes pain a lot. Ok. I happen to like watching the reaction on men's faces when I deploy the Tits of Doom. Smothering, still not really into it, but it's tripping some interesting triggers, let's try it again and see where I'm at with it....and if he likes pain, that's good. If I like boys I bite them and pinch them, at minimum. He may find some new fetishes from me too. I've induced at least three hair fetishes. (grin)

See, I like to make the guys I play with happy, because watching someone's face when omg it really happens is a hell of a thrill. And then there's the fact that it happens at my speed. It's under MY control. And I know they want it, and perhaps today as close as you get to my feet is washing my socks, or perhaps it will be painting my toenails. And somewhere in playing the foot fetish game, for instance, I may realize that whoa, I'm REALLY enjoying this. Oh! Add a new favorite dish to the list! Cool! And I might have never known if the sub hadn't admitted he really likes feet. Will it probably be different as I pick up more experience? Possibly. But this is where I am now.

Of course, I knew I was a goddess before the first time I ordered a man to strip off so I could get a better look at what was on offer. I just had to work out how my particular manifestation prefers to be worshipped and to address her worshipers.


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