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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:08:10 PM   
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First, IronBear, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service.

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Go Ron.. You have my vote.....

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Elect him president of YOUR country IronBear.

And Americans are the best ones to decide who our president is going to be, not some foreigner on the other side of the planet such as yourself. Feel free to criticize him and by extension us, but we'll elect who we damn well please in our own damn way and for our own damn reasons, and quite frankly, it's none of your damn business who we elect. You are out of line. Way out of line. George Bush is our damn president and if you have a problem with him, you have a problem with us. It's THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the form of its government that acts around the world, not George Bush, so if you don't like this country's policies, feel free to criticize, to suggest, to damn, praise or make war on us, but the guy who sits in the Oval Office is for US to decide. We in America know the conditions here, and unless you've done a lot of studying of my country's internal conditions, it AIN'T YOUR GODDAM BUSINESS.

And again, thank you for your service, I sincerely appreciate it.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:23:11 PM   
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Since Shrub has seen fit to stick in his nose into many other countries' business, why are you so upset when someone outside the US takes an interest in and voices an opinion about  'our' President?  When his actions impact the rest of the world, why should they be silent?  Are you going to spend equal time castigating people who share their opinions about Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Mohammad Khatami or any other of the world's "less than popular" leaders? 

Lighten up before you have a goddamn aneurism.

~stef 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:30:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine

You are out of line. Way out of line. George Bush is our damn president and if you have a problem with him, you have a problem with us. It's THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the form of its government that acts around the world, not George Bush, so if you don't like this country's policies, feel free to criticize, to suggest, to damn, praise or make war on us, but the guy who sits in the Oval Office is for US to decide. We in America know the conditions here, and unless you've done a lot of studying of my country's internal conditions, it AIN'T YOUR GODDAM BUSINESS.


So now others aren't allowed their opinions? Interesting. So silence everyone outside of our country about what they think of the US? They are not dictating politics here, they aren't voting here. If someone has issue with our government that automatically means they have a personal issue with US citizens? While you are entitled to your view, I believe you are off base by telling him to be silent. That is what these message boards are for... opinions, discourse, debate.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:34:01 PM   
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There are still some dry counties in the State of Georgia (US). One day an old man (yep, there are some old farts that are older than this old fart) and I were sitting at a bar having a drink (alcoholic beverage) and he summed up the election process extremely well and insightfully. He told me that the problem with this country is that "every election year, the folks stagger to the polls and vote dry."

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:40:39 PM   
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My only problem with this is that these people don't seem to want us there anyway! Yes we are trying to improve the quality of their lives and yet not change their beliefs. We are trying to change the way they govern and let the people actually have a say and yet, we are still being fired upon and killed. I think of the countless number of our men and women who have lost their lives over a war that should never have been started. This is Bush's fault but he is not the one paying for it.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:52:10 PM   
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Actually Mod3 old bean,

I always though that the late Sir Winston Churchill made a number of perfect speeches and if he didn't then no one was smart enough to challange him about them when he was in office..


I was  referring to our current so called leader in regard to perfect speeches. But you are correct there have been several that have made impressive, moving speeches.
 
 It is a shame the current budget can not afford the  President a better author. Maybe Ron could volunteer as speech writer, now there is something I might tune in to see.
 
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:53:17 PM   
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Firstly old chap,

You don't know a damn thing about me nor my connections with the US which still continue. It may be possible that I do know more about many areas of the internal workings as you refer to them than you are likely to unless you have the same or higher security clearance than I have.. As for my butting out of US Politics and who should be elected, perhaps you are not awaye of the huge US interference and campaigning by the US beaurocrats to attempt to see that a US Adminiatration friendly government is elected here... Sounds like you are more than paranoid old son with your posts becomming more than slightly hysterical. Pity that you cant diferentiate between parts of a lengthy post with several people being adressed in which parts may be said in humour and others seriously. Of course you dont appear to have been about for all that long so you possibly wouldn't know the long standing shit-stiring friendship the nmottertail (Ron) have.

All in all old chap, mine thinkest that tho hast placed thy oversized hoof in thy over sized cakehole and thus ye are in dire need of vetinary care so that thou doth not acquire Hoof in Mouth Disease.......


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 4:57:49 PM   
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I'm an admitted Bush Basher.  It's one of my favorite leisure time activities.  Surely you wouldn't deprive me of the pleasure of ranting about this idiot who holds himself up as the leader of the free world! Come to think of it, that will be a new prerequisite for submissives wanting to serve.  They must be solid Bush loving subbies.   Nothing would get me hotter than bashing Bush and then Bashing my Bush-lovin subs.  Thanks for the great idea.   

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:06:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ModeratorThree

**on a side note regarding my age, you're as old as you feel. Somedays it's 95 and others it is 30'ish ;-)



Whooooooaaaaaaaa Mod 3.. I was always taught that you are only as old as the person you feel..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???? ~< Wink.... Wink.... Nudge.... Nudge....>~


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:11:38 PM   
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I dont think democracy works or exists in reality, so I dont have the energy to defend it. Although as this is the way our society runs, I will respect it.

At one time or another in history whole groups of people have believed a certain thing was true or correct and if put to the vote, that certain thing would be voted in as true....it didnt make it so, in reality...say for example....the world is flat vote.

Anyone having anything to do with committees where there is voting to make decisions will tell you all about the bickering and infighting, the power struggles the manipulations, the croni-ism, even the corruption, how a lot of the time the voice that should be heard is drowned out my the screaming gang mentality. Its very rare to have a committee that can function effectivley for all involved..and thats basically what democracy is..a committee.

I don't think the majority voice is necessarily the best voice, there are so many factors of ignorance involved.

I dont know what the solution is.




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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:11:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge
So now others aren't allowed their opinions? Interesting. So silence everyone outside of our country about what they think of the US? They are not dictating politics here, they aren't voting here. If someone has issue with our government that automatically means they have a personal issue with US citizens? While you are entitled to your view, I believe you are off base by telling him to be silent. That is what these message boards are for... opinions, discourse, debate.


Hmmmm. I need to think a bit more about this, and I might change my mind. You make a good point. Obviously I'm not proposing that anybody be censored, obviously I'm saying people should be reluctant to tell citizens of other countries who should lead them. It's not a matter of courtesy, but it's like courtesy in that it's something a person decides to do or not do as a way of respecting other people. "Respecting" might not be the right word or idea, but it's something close to that.

But I'm saying people in one's own country know more about candidates for office in that country (not always, of course) and know what conditions are in their own countries. On the matter of who should be in office and who out (and I've been talking about his comments on Bush, not mnottertail, of course) then it's not your place to tell people who they should vote for and who not, or even who they should've voted for in the past. That's because it isn't your country -- you don't know the conditions there, the future of that country doesn't matter as much to you as it does to its own citizens, and the decision on what direction that country should be led isn't yours to make.

I wouldn't tell IronBear who should be prime minister of Australia either.

If some country threatens MY country, however, then I have the moral right to agitate and politick against that candidate. If someone wants to make the case that Bush threatens their country, let 'em.

Just because someone CAN voice an opinion doesn't mean that they SHOULD. For basically the same reason, Gauge, I wouldn't tell you whether or not you should break up with a particular person unless that person was obviously dangerous (and if someone honestly thinks America did have an actually dangerous candidate for president, then it's right for them to holler about it -- I have no problem with that).   

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:26:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Firstly old chap,

You don't know a damn thing about me nor my connections with the US which still continue. It may be possible that I do know more about many areas of the internal workings as you refer to them than you are likely to unless you have the same or higher security clearance than I have..


Security clearance is completely beside the point. It would be directly on point if the debate were about security matters. Who is president of the U.S. is about more than national security secrets.

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As for my butting out of US Politics and who should be elected, perhaps you are not awaye of the huge US interference and campaigning by the US beaurocrats to attempt to see that a US Adminiatration friendly government is elected here...


What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I completely oppose any interference from my government in Australian politics, but in turn butt out of our country's.

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Sounds like you are more than paranoid old son with your posts becomming more than slightly hysterical.


Just offended. Paranoia has nothing to do with it. I save my paranoia for the terrorists and other anti-Americans.

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Pity that you cant diferentiate between parts of a lengthy post with several people being adressed in which parts may be said in humour and others seriously. Of course you dont appear to have been about for all that long so you possibly wouldn't know the long standing shit-stiring friendship the nmottertail (Ron) have.


Were the anti-Bush parts said only in humor? If I misunderstood that, then I apologize. I'm going to reread your post now. I wasn't talking about mnottertail for president except in jest myself at the beginning of the post. My point was about telling us who should and should not be president of the United States. I probably wasn't clear enough about that.

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All in all old chap, mine thinkest that tho hast placed thy oversized hoof in thy over sized cakehole and thus ye are in dire need of vetinary care so that thou doth not acquire Hoof in Mouth Disease.......


Me thinkest thy mirror mighteth serveth thee well thyself, Old Ally (of my country) ... But I thanketh thee for thy advice ...

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:31:23 PM   
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I'll work on getting everything right if he will work on getting anything right.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:35:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavejali
I dont think democracy works or exists in reality, so I dont have the energy to defend it.

[SNIP]

I don't think the majority voice is necessarily the best voice, there are so many factors of ignorance involved.

I dont know what the solution is.


What's that they say about democracy, that it's the worst system ... except for all the others? I think that's the situation. It tends to create fewer wars, I think, and that's one good point. There is no system that avoids stupidity entirely, but dictators tend to have no one telling them they're being stupid (when they are being deadly stupid), and that happens at least some of the time on committees.

Decisionmakers in any organization screw over the non-decisionmakers, at least a lot of the time. With democracy, you tend to have the smallest number of non-decisionmakers, so the number being screwd over tends to be smaller. 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:44:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JimandAnn

I come to these message boards often and find some very good discussions going on. I see a lot of Bush bashing going on and now it's time for you to step up. You make every personal bit of information about yourself open to everyone in the world... You stand up in front of cameras and make a perfect speech every time. You make a perfect decision every single day. You come here and tell eveyone just how perfect you are. Debate over the war is one thing...personal attacks are another. Go ahead debate it...if you're an American I fought for your right to do it. The posts I see here attacking on a personal level are more than likely form someone who hasn't done 1 thing for this country except sit back and whine and probably suck up welfare checks as fast as they can before getting caught. I'll be the first to go on record as saying No Thanks... I couldn't do it,,, my solid nitrogenous waste stinks too.... So let's hear from you perfect people who can step up and take what that man has had to deal with. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Jim 


<sigh>  If my diatribe has no place here, why does yours?  And why must you turn it into a shit-slinging personal attack?  Couldn't you have left it in the thread it started in?  It couldn't be much more obvious that this was originally aimed at me... after all, I'm the one who really pissed you off.  If you have a problem with me, be a man and e-mail me about it.  Step up to the plate and have an adult discussion instead of a childish name-calling session intended to provoke me.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 5:53:04 PM   
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Since Shrub has seen fit to stick in his nose into many other countries' business, why are you so upset when someone outside the US takes an interest in and voices an opinion about  'our' President?


It's not opinions I'm criticizing here -- in fact, I specifically said that. I'm saying it's offensive to tell us who should be running our country. Criticizing this or that Bush policy or opinion or even saying the guy is a jerk is not what I'm offended at. Again, what's offensive is telling us who should run our country. That's our job, nobody else's. If Hitler runs and someone THEN wants to oppose us, then I'm not offended. Even if they honestly, truely THINK someone is running for president who's dangerous to THEM, then I can't criticize them for saying we shouldn't vote for that person. But it's our country, not anybody else's, and we're the one's who care about it most, so in all but extraordinary circumstances, they should butt out.

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When his actions impact the rest of the world, why should they be silent?  Are you going to spend equal time castigating people who share their opinions about Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Mohammad Khatami or any other of the world's "less than popular" leaders?
  

Again, they shouldn't be silent in criticizing Bush or anyone else. My only criticism is when they say "you shouldn't vote for him" or "you should vote for somebody else" like, for instance, Kerry. And yes, it drives me up the wall.

All those other people you mention are (a) human rights abusers and (b) potential threats to my country. None of them took power in fair elections. I have no problem in saying they should be thrown out. I don't even have any moral problem with someone assassinating them. I don't like Jacques Chirac either, but it would be offensive for me to tell French voters that they should vote him out of office.

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Lighten up before you have a goddamn aneurism.

~stef 


Hey stef, thanks for your concern about my health, but I'll decide when to lighten up and when not to. Actually, I'm in a pissed-off mood for reasons that have nothing to do with this board and I look on this as good therapy.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 6:05:38 PM   
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Dear Mod,

I am glad to know that even Mods when pulling posts and slashing and burning for the TOS still have that vicarious thrill of a good shit-slinger.  It restores my faith in humanity.  LOL

Next, I think that partisan politics are somewhat rancorous because everybody got to feel something.

Seems to me there were more than one drunken argument in the taverns that led to the founding of this country.

I seem to remember that a couple people actually got killed over that very issue, the overbearing and out-of-touch governance by a man named George.  Ironic? Perhaps.

Then of course there was a George Washington, father of our country who even while being harnessed for the commander-in-chief of the revolution was bucking for a Bloody Major Generals uniform repleat (yeah a little old english style) with buttons and levers.

Anyway, so my speechwriting-- this time I am just gonna phone it in; kids:

WHEN in the Course of human Events,

it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
HE has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
HE has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.
HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.
HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.
HE has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of the Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and the Convulsions within.
HE has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
HE has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
HE has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.
HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
FOR quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us;
FOR protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
FOR cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:
FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rules into these Colonies:
FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.
HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
HE has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.
HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.
HE has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
HE has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.
IN every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.
NOR have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native Justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.
WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.


Now, how many should we give Mr. Bush? Ollie Ollie in free at 10 for 20?  At what point does a groundswell of dissatisfaction with our governmental policies, overtake our nationalistic pride and we say-- No More?  Here I am........

Shit, now everbody is gonna start calling me an arch conservative, quoting such fundamental and unchangeble principles of which our country was founded upon, and if WE don't like 'em and WE don't agree with 'em, perhaps WE should haul our asses outta here.

If I were to write a speech, I fear it would be along the lines of:

Give me a reason! Give me a cause! Let's burn this motherfucker down!

From the far right,

Ron    
(edited to add:  When I came home, from a very long and tiring but nevertheless joyous ride from a certain country, a certain time, a certain place, I was greeted in JFK airport I think, with an overwhelming urge to evacuate my bowels... I went into the dunnie....and saw quarter pay slots on the doors... At that moment, in that time, in that place I actually thought to myself  'If Benjamin Franklin were alive to see this.......taxing a shit.)

I kicked the fuckin door in, did my duty to my country............ Whilst engaged in blasting china, two policemen came in to see what the ruckus was, and to apprehend the criminal so carelessly defacing the shrine........

They looked at my blouse, it was green and said something about US Army and had some colorful shit on it... (nothin spectacular folks, I only did my job) and decided WTF, and said, I wish you wouldn't have done that; as they left conversing on their walkie-talkies.      

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 6:05:56 PM   
cuddleheart50


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I'm staying out of this one! 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 6:21:05 PM   
Chaingang


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
And I'll concede that position is NOT supporting the troops, but I won't get into that hypocrisy.


I was confused by this. If you mean that they are now engaged in a fruitless endeavour and might as well come home, I personally see that as supporting the troops. You don't have to support war to support the troops - their purpose is defense of country, if that purpose is better served with them in reserve for the next possible crisis that's cool, bring 'em home. I also believe in raising the standard of medical and psychological care they have been getting from the military of late.

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Personal attacks only provide evidence that the person making them has no other argument.


Not true - sometimes it means you are having your time wasted by a troll and you don't give a shit about their opinions. Some guy elsewhere wants to dispute whether or not the west fed Saddam is chemical weapons. Give me a fucking break, that's a time waster - asked and answered, asked and answered, asked and answered, etc. This 2006 - if you don't know that the west made chemical weapons available to Saddam that's just pathetic. Or maybe the purpose is to tire the conversation down with bullshit details that have been asked and answered ad nauseum - it being 2006 and all...

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Our next crop of burger flippers is about to "graduate".


Let's assume for the moment that such results are no accident. Who benefits? The military...'

Sad but true.

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Most important, thank you for your service to the country. I respect and appreciate your sacrifice and all the others who served and are serving.


I respect such service also. I also reserve the right to argue against the use of that service beyond the boundaries of U.S. soil. The point is defense not aggression - although I know some would argue that both are sometimes necessary let's at least agree that we need to be very careful about acts of perceived aggression.


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/22/2006 6:25:48 PM   
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Ron mate I love ya.....Go run for president and turn everything unside down and make the whole country laugh again.. Think about it no taxes for crapping (except on the hill in Washington)... Best bloody post I've seen here at any time..... 

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