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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 9:54:27 PM   
Vancouver_cinful


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The kind of absolute loyalty called for here is most often present in governments that enforce their decrees with torture, secret prisons and secret police. 

Hmmmm.


Was that Hmmm...or Mmmmm, John??

Cin <~ thinks there's finally fodder for fantasy in this post!



......*burst out laughing..........*
 
Level, who should be sleeping instead of giggling

Just thought a little humour would break the tension...Carry on...LOL

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 9:54:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe about 99% of all the things they accuse President Bush of ... or Senator Kerry, or most of our other leaders. I feel the media stirs these pots for obvious reasons.
 
That said, when we get to the reasons for this war in Iraq ... the conduct of the President just bothers me. It seems to me that the President had an obligation to be sure that Iraq was guilty of the things we accused them of, before we went to war.
 
When things went afoul, the President and his Republican cohorts, started saying things like, "Congress saw the same intelligence", and "Clinton also said they had WMD's."
 
You know, excuses like that ... trying to draw others into my mishaps, to spread the blame ... stopped working for me when I was about fourteen.
 
Congress wasn't the Commander in Chief, and neither was former President Clinton. President Bush is the Commander in Chief, and no matter how much he tries to bring others into the mistake, the mistake was his, and his alone.
 
And what a mistake!!! Even if it's the only one in the entire term of his administration (which it probably isn't), it's a whopper so big, there is just no way to excuse it, or even get past it.
 
I think President Bush is probably a good guy, and probably doing what he thinks is right, but it seems pretty obvious to me that he isn't up to the task of making difficult decisions. He doesn't seem to be able to properly make simple ones like ... if you aren't dead bang sure, you don't go to war until you are.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 11:54:45 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 3:59:27 AM   
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I don't believe about 99% of all the things they accuse President Bush of ... or Senator Kerry, or most of our other leaders. I feel the media stirs these pots for obvious reasons.
 
That said, when we get to the reasons for this war in Iraq ... the conduct of the President just bothers me. It seems to me that the President had an obligation to be sure that Iraq was guilty of the things we accused them of, before we went to war.
 
When things went afoul, the President and his Republican cohorts, started saying things like, "Congress saw the same intelligence", and "Clinton also said they had WMD's."
 
I have to say, I will always remember Clinton on tv admitting as much though....I'm talking about after the war began here. I see it less as Bush or Clinton being wrong and the entire governmental process being messed up in this situation.  But no, you can't blame him for what W did, you're right.
 
 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 4:18:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		About time. I currently serve in the US Navy, and I'm damn proud of it. I was accepted to the University of Michigan, but I chose to enlist instead. Why? Because I felt a duty to my country. What do I think of Bush? I am glad that he is my Commander in Chief, I shudder to think what the john kerry would have done. George W. Bush has done a pretty damn good job with what fate dealt him, oh and clinton didnt leave him much to work with either, remember that the economy was declining at the end of clinton's term, and that the recent intifada in the middle east began during Clinton's term.  President Clinton engaged in more military operations than any other president in US history, both Bushes included. You want to say Bush could have stopped 9-11? How? he had been in office for less than 9 months. Clinton had a chance, he could have killed Bin Laden, but he chose to waste multi-million dollar missiles by blowing up some rocks in Africa.  17 of my shiptmates were killed by Al-Qaeda on the USS COLE(remember that?) what did Clinton do in response? not a damn thing.  What was his response to the original WTC bombing? do nothing. Cinton could have stopped this nightmare, but he was too concerned over what position Monica was in to worry about other things.
I've been to Iraq, I've seen the good we've done there. Yes the GOOD.  All you left wing liberalists want to focus on is the bad, thanks to the propoganda machine known as CNN. Watch FOX for a change, at least you see both sides of the argument.
Stop trying to win the 2000 election. Had you gotten over that then, you might have been able to have fielded a real challenger in 2004.

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P.S. Bush captured Baghdad in less time than it took Clinton to capture Waco, TX. think about that

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 4:38:36 AM   
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Stop trying to win the 2000 election. Had you gotten over that then, you might have been able to have fielded a real challenger in 2004.


Stop blaming Clinton.  Maybe if you do that, we can address why Bush can not fix the problems supposedly caused by Clinton in the 6 years he has been in power, even with the backing of a Republican majority Congress, and address his incompteance as a President.  He has all the power right now.  And things are getting worse everyday.  If the economy and the war are somehow the Ghost of Clinton Past's fault, lets discuss why Bush is too incompetant to stem the tide, despite the fact that he holds all the cards. 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 6:07:23 AM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 9:17:53 AM   
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You can't accomplish shit without some serious money - and the usual motive for using money to do anything is usually to make even more money. That's just "History 101: The Reason Why", folks!

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 12:18:16 PM   
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Our leaders on either side of the political spectrum are puppets for the monied interests behind the scenes. These are very good days to be a multinational manufacturer, into oil, into the government's reconstruction war chest, or deep into munitions. Strangely enough - all the same names pop up when you look into who benefits from this war. Halliburton and all of its many subsidiaries, Koch Industries, etc...

You can't accomplish shit without some serious money - and the usual motive for using money to do anything is usually to make even more money. That's just "History 101: The Reason Why", folks!


I have to hand it to you Chaingang, you have gone right to the core of many of the problems certainly in the US and in Australia, a great deal of the blameof societies problems lay at the feet of multinationals.. They have no loyalty to countries or nations and certainly have no care for people. They serve but one power ~ the Goddess Dollar. I'd venture to say that if the multinationals turned their dollar taps off and stopped supporting Governments, Governments, countries and nations would risk bamkrupcy in short order. large companies can movce suprisingle fast to quit a country will minimal casualties. We hav=de oine here who moved their administrative offices from Austral;ia to Scandinavia so as to avoid a forced pay out of billions tosuffers of aspestosis andthe remaining families whose loved ones had already died from it. Our Polititions.. Presidents, Governers, Prime Ministers, and Premiers are nothing but lackies of the Multination Conglomerates.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 12:35:29 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 12:38:47 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 12:45:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Big Bad Business---it's all their fault. 

Hmmm hmm.  Now that's some serious thinkin' goin' on there, yessir. 

Geez, wouldn't life be grand if we could return to the days when there were only a few tens of millions of peoples, we all could scratch out a subsistence living in the acres surrounding our homestead, have 10 kids in hopes that 3 or 4 might live, etc.

The good old days. 



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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 1:10:20 PM   
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It could just be me, but it sounds like you're describing your initial post.

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No, you nailed it.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 1:45:13 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 1:47:21 PM   
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About time. I currently serve in the US Navy, and I'm damn proud of it. I was accepted to the University of Michigan, but I chose to enlist instead. Why? Because I felt a duty to my country.


I thank you personally for your service to the country. The sacrifice you have made is indeed a noble one.

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  All you left wing liberalists want to focus on is the bad, thanks to the propoganda machine known as CNN. Watch FOX for a change, at least you see both sides of the argument.


On the contrary, I would love to focus on the good. Let me know when Bush does something good and he will get praise from me. I am not a left wing liberal, I am just a guy that doesn't like what I see going on in this country. I do not watch CNN or FOX or ABC or any other news service. I am smart enough to know when something is biased and when I do indulge in the news I read several different things and make up my own mind. I am not a troglodyte that parrots what is fed to me by any media. I have a brain and I know what it is for. The OP started this thread by stating that no one that has served this country has a right to voice an opinion against the President. If you understand what it is you are serving the country for, then you will allow all voices to be heard because you have dedicated a portion of your life to the cause of freedom. Whether you like the opinions or not, you are fighting for them to be heard.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 1:48:31 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 2:08:27 PM   
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I still see a lot of critical answers but few that offer anything more than that..critisism..anger...immaturity..now who would have guessed?


I find it ironic and maybe a bit pretentious that you start a thread like this and you do not defend your position. Yet again you lump people into a category of your own choosing and run off and hide.  In my response to you, I did not respond in an immature fashion. I was not angry either. In your opening post you made very strong and, in my opinion, inflammatory statements. You stated that people that haven't done anything for this country have no right to voice a negative opinion about the President. You then called those people that didn't serve, "welfare babies" and you do not defend your position? You call those that have responded to this thread, critical, angry, and immature? Either step up and defend what you have said or your position will have lost all credibility in my eyes at least. I am sure that fact will not cause you any unrest but it should at least stir in you some sort of action. 

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 2:14:58 PM   
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P.S. Bush captured Baghdad in less time than it took Clinton to capture Waco, TX. think about that


Well, his men entered it.  Three years later he's still in the process of "capturing" it.

As one Nazi officer said about Norway "I won't consider a country ours until we can walk in groups of less than six armed soldiers." from (The Northern War, 1948)

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 2:42:25 PM   
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/24/2006 2:44:03 PM   
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Big Bad Business---it's all their fault. 

Hmmm hmm.  Now that's some serious thinkin' goin' on there, yessir. 

Geez, wouldn't life be grand if we could return to the days when there were only a few tens of millions of peoples, we all could scratch out a subsistence living in the acres surrounding our homestead, have 10 kids in hopes that 3 or 4 might live, etc.

The good old days. 




Well, well well, here is something we can all stand and applaud. Most of us I imagine, have been harboring the misconception that it takes a man or at least a person with intestinal fortitude to oppose and post against another by addressing the one you post against.. Sort of confronting them face to face.. Well we were all wrong. here we have the proof that the courageous don’t even mention by name those whom they oppose but slyly attempt to slide a poisoned pen into their opponents ribs from behind and then hiding again....

I have news for you boy.... Your poison pen underhanded techniques are usually attributed to women whose juices are all dried up and who are bitter and twisted and who hate people......  I possibly wouldn't have picked you up except you did the same thing recently to me. I'll give you a professional tip If you want to assassinate or discredit some one you best get it done the first time because the second attempt bay be your last.... At least if I have things to say about some one, I address my post to them or mention them by name.. It may not justify what I do but it id at least honest.. When I post as I have now twice and you have attempted to make derisive comments, it may just be that I know what I'm talking about and have a great deal of experience or inside information.......

I'd send you a white feather son but you and your type are not worthy of my attention... In a combat zone, I wouldn't even court marshal you I'd simply shoot someone who acted as you did.. Your snide little attempts are absolutely beneath my contempt....


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