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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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You know, I don't really know where this fits in. There are a few threads floating around out there about all of this. So I'll just say it here.

It kind of really doesn't matter how much we would like men to be a part of our pregnancy and child rearing, and whether the majority of men are good and responsible or not, and whether the laws work in our favor or not, and whether men would take an oral contraceptive or not.

We (women) are the ones that bear children. That puts the responsibility on us. It's not fair, certainly. Men CAN just walk away, and woman plainly can't. Not for nine months, anyway.

All of this talk about what a man should or shouldn't do is just that. Talk. There are plenty, plenty, of decent and responsible men who would take care of their child both before birth and after. And there are plenty of women who won't care properly for her child at all. Doing the right thing is not a dividing line between the sexes. I feel that men get bashed about for all of this unfairly.

I am a woman. I have the ability to bear children. Therefore, if I don't want to become pregnant, it's my responsibility to be sure I don't.

If I do become pregnant unexpectedly (as has been known to happen) it is personally not in my nature to disregard the wishes of the father, whether that father turns out to be the responsible type or not.

There is so much more to all of this than laws and money and access and the question of who takes the contraceptive.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I could eat you with a spoon or before the intercourse. It just depends upon which kind of eating you're wanting.

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If I do become pregnant unexpectedly (as has been known to happen) it is personally not in my nature to disregard the wishes of the father, whether that father turns out to be the responsible type or not.

There is so much more to all of this than laws and money and access and the question of who takes the contraceptive. 

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For the first time, a safe, effective and reversible hormonal male contraceptive appears to be within reach. Several formulations are expected to become commercially available within the near future. Men may soon have the options of a daily pill to be taken orally, a patch or gel to be applied to the skin, an injection given every three months or an implant placed under the skin every 12 months, according to Seattle researchers.

“It largely depends on how funding continues. The technology is there. We know how it would work,” says Dr. Andrea Coviello, who is helping to test several male contraceptives at the Population Center for Research in Reproduction at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Coviello and her colleagues have found that a male contraceptive that releases testosterone over three months is potentially a safe and practical method of contraception. The Seattle researchers have been testing a sustained-released, testosterone micro-capsule, which consists of a thick liquid administered by injection under the skin.

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Studies conducted by the World Health Organization show that men from many countries around the world would welcome MHCs. The WHO has tested MHCs in hundreds of volunteers in various countries around the world and have not found it difficult to recruit volunteers for their studies. Researchers say many men are very willing to become involved in the studies and are anxious to see a male birth control pill on the market.

Over the past 5 years, researchers around the world have had a great deal of success with male contraceptive pills, patches, implants and creams that deliver various amounts of hormones. It is now believed that an MHC in the form of a daily pill could be available on the market within 5 to 7 years and implants could arrive even sooner.

“An injectible or an implant (similar to Norplant for women) will be the first to be approved. The big studies are now under way,” says Dr. Christina Wang, who is heading up the clinical trials of MHCs at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.

She and her colleagues have found that a combination of progestin and androgen implants are safe, effective, inexpensive and entirely reversible.

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Women couldn't "trap" men if they were more discriminating about who/where/what they did with their thingies.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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If I do become pregnant unexpectedly (as has been known to happen) it is personally not in my nature to disregard the wishes of the father, whether that father turns out to be the responsible type or not.

There is so much more to all of this than laws and money and access and the question of who takes the contraceptive. 

Your nature is quite forgiving.  But dont push that off on other women.  Yes, there is so much more than what you mentioned.  But, if you take a look around those other threads you mentioned, you will see much if it, for the men, comes down to child support.

I had mine and didnt ask for a dime, raised him on my own, and did a damn good job.  But no way would I tell another woman to suck it up and do the same because her life isnt mine.

That expression about walking a mile in someone else's shoes rings true here.  There IS so much more.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Women couldn't "trap" men if they were more discriminating about who/where/what they did with their thingies.

Yes because, like with all things in this vein, when a woman is manipulative, it's obviously a man's fault. Jesus H. Christ! Give it a rest!

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I didn't curse at you. I used the name of a symbol of a religion in vain and for that I will apologize but, it won't be to you.

No, you didn't say anything rude other than falling in line with the other feminazis, playing the blame game, coming onto a thread asking for Males only and spewing misandronous crap, and being catty about it.

The passive agreesiveness of the "blame game" is marginally more acceptable coming from people who label themselves "submissive".

No need for a response. We're done, here, "ma'aM"



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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Yes, this thread was inspired by another where a bunch of women were suggesting that the sole onus of birth control should be on the males.

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I was trying to explain that if it's ultimately your body and ultimately, you don't want to have children then, there's a matter of personal responsibility. It seems to me that even if men could use a birth control pill, you ladies wouldn't trust them to. I feel sad for you women, meeting all those irresponsible, untrust-worthy people.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Yes, this thread was inspired by another where a bunch of women were suggesting that the sole onus of birth control should be on the males.

Tazzy will correct me if I'm wrong, but she wasn't offering male sterilization in a vacuum but in response to the nationwide plethora of attacks on women's reproductive freedom.

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I was trying to explain that if it's ultimately your body and ultimately, you don't want to have children then, there's a matter of personal responsibility. It seems to me that even if men could use a birth control pill, you ladies wouldn't trust them to. I feel sad for you women, meeting all those irresponsible, untrust-worthy people.

Trust comes over time. When I first met M, we used condoms. Now that we are living together, when I'm not fertile, we don't.

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For the record: My youngest son is 23 years old. I've always believed (for myself) that 30 was the cut-off age for bringing children into the world. In the ensuing years, I've never had an unwanted pregnancy occur. I've been with ladies that couldn't or wouldn't use the pill. I've been with ladies that used sponges. I've been with ladies that used IUDs and Norplant. I've been with ladies that have had hysterectomies.

In all of these cases, if there was any doubt in my mind that my partner was telling the truth about birth control or that their method was effective, I used condoms. Personal responsibility.

If a lady tells a man that she is on the pill and he fucks her, un-protected, he has no one to blame but himself, when she comes up, pregnant. By the same token, if you allow yourself to get talked into sex without contraception, you can't blame the man. You made the ultimate choice to allow it to happen. Personal responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I didn't curse at you. I used the name of a symbol of a religion in vain and for that I will apologize but, it won't be to you.

No, you didn't say anything rude other than falling in line with the other feminazis, playing the blame game, coming onto a thread asking for Males only and spewing misandronous crap, and being catty about it.

The passive agreesiveness of the "blame game" is marginally more acceptable coming from people who label themselves "submissive".

No need for a response. We're done, here, "ma'aM"



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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If a lady tells a man that she is on the pill and he fucks her, un-protected, he has no one to blame but himself, when she comes up, pregnant. By the same token, if you allow yourself to get talked into sex without contraception, you can't blame the man. You made the ultimate choice to allow it to happen. Personal responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I didn't curse at you. I used the name of a symbol of a religion in vain and for that I will apologize but, it won't be to you.

No, you didn't say anything rude other than falling in line with the other feminazis, playing the blame game, coming onto a thread asking for Males only and spewing misandronous crap, and being catty about it.

The passive agreesiveness of the "blame game" is marginally more acceptable coming from people who label themselves "submissive".

No need for a response. We're done, here, "ma'aM"



Peace and comfort,



Michael

MIchael. Chrissy is a practicing Christian which has been stated by her on numerous threads. WHile you may not share her beliefs, by using the epithet you did, that was in essence cussing at her.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

To keep this on topic, M votes Yes to taking the Pill for men.

In all of these cases, if there was any doubt in my mind that my partner was telling the truth about birth control or that their method was effective, I used condoms. Personal responsibility.

If a lady tells a man that she is on the pill and he fucks her, un-protected, he has no one to blame but himself, when she comes up, pregnant. By the same token, if you allow yourself to get talked into sex without contraception, you can't blame the man. You made the ultimate choice to allow it to happen. Personal responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I really wish you wouldn't use the term 'feminazi".

IMO, "Nazi" should be reserved for those that WERE actually such.

Yes, I think I have thrown it about a few times in RE: spelling or grammar, but after talking with some Jewish friends of mine I no longer do.